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GOP playing with fire

By Bertram de Souza (Contact)

Published October 24, 2011

The $15 million price tag for the political stunt pulled last week by the Republicans in the Ohio House and Senate will simply harden the resolve of Democrats to let the voters of Ohio decide if the GOP-drawn congressional district map is fair and should be implemented.

The stunt involves splitting the 2012 primaries, with state, local and U.S. Senate races to be held in March, and U.S. House and presidential contests to be held June 12. The two-primary plan will cost $15 million statewide and cause undue problems for county boards of elections.

With the Ohio Supreme Court ruling that Democrats could put the redistricting map up for a vote, the drive to secure the petition signatures for a referendum vote in the November 2012 election will be launched soon.

The map the Republicans have drawn is so tilted in the GOP's favor that it has triggered widespread criticism from non-partisan organizations such as the League of Women Voters of Ohio.

With local governments facing financial challenges brought on, in large part, by the cuts in the Local Government Fund imposed by the Republicans controlled General Assembly and Republican Gov. John Kasich, spending $15 million on two primaries is a colossal waste of money.

Republicans should stop playing their political games and work with the Democrats and independent organizations to develop a fair congressional district map.


1bobhogue(102 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Amen!! Perfectly stated and right on-target, Mr. de Souza.

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2Woody(491 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

They have to print that. Read the article you attached. "Ohio law requires the secretary of state to publish ballot language, an explanation, the full text and arguments on each statewide issue. The information must be published once each week in the three weeks leading up to the election."

And Bertam, please stop referring to the "League of Women Voters" and "non-partisan". They aren't, to steal from Bob Dole, I know it, you know it, people of Ohio know it.

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3AnotherAverageCitizen(1193 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

And here I thought we were in financial problems. GOP all about saving money??

"John Kasich, spending $15 million on two primaries is a colossal waste of money."

Now I see how kasich leadership ran lehman Bros into the ground. Then people are foolish enough to elect him our gov.

Kasich has to GO

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4NoBS(2763 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Kasich wants cops and firemen to take a pay cut and benefit cut, all the while blowing $15,000,000 on this nonsense.

Does anybody at all still believe Issue 2 is about saving money?

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5jfuze0905(82 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

So, I did a little research on a couple of local teachers on the site: http://tos.ohio.gov/Teacher_Salary, and you may be a littel shocked to see the results...

Teacher 1:
$69,080 - annual salary
7.33 hours worked per day
183 days worked per year
$45,592.80 - yearly pension estimate
$106,434.37 - pro-rated salary based upon 2080 hours per year
$28,152 - max social security payout

Teacher 2:
$91,000 - annual salary
8 hours worked per day
260 days worked per year
$60,060 - yearly pension estimate
$140,207.41 - pro-rated salary based upon 2080 hours per year
$28,152 - max social security payout

Now I'm not saying that teachers aren't worth every penny they make, but look at the difference between the pension and what Joe average citizen receives. This equates to a difference of approximately $17,500 per year. Add the fact that most private citizens not only pay into SS, but also dedicate between 10 and 20 percent of their gross income to a 401(k) to potentially receive $45,000 per year in retirement savings. Therefore, Joe average citizen is paying between 16 and 26 percent (plus the 6 percent the company pays) to equate the 10 percent that teachers are paying...which leaves a difference of 12 percent on the low end and 22 percent on the high end.

Also, do teachers retire after 30 years? If so, that makes the average retirement age 52, while the average citizen will retire between ages 65 and 72 which boasts a difference of 13 to 20 years...

Now let's perform a little calculation:

13 years X $45,000 = $585,000
13 years X $17,500 = $227,500

The difference being received by a teacher on the low end of the spectrum is $357,500 over 13 years or $27,500 per year. The difference alone is 86 percent of the Private Sector Yearly Wage in Mahoning county in 2009 (http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/bette...), and that's just the difference....

Now let's take a look at some other figures from http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/bette... the Median Household Income in Mahoning County in 2009 was $39,339. Going back to our low end of the spectrum teacher, $45,000 is the annual pension...this is a difference of $5,661 greater than the Median "Household" Income, as well as a difference of $13,550 greater than the average private sector wage in 2009...

Let's take a look at the what the state pension plan is paying over the course of retirement (now remember, this is only for the low end of the spectrum teacher). The average life expectancy in Ohio (http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/us...) is 76.2 years.

Let's subtract the average retirement age of 52 from the average life expectancy of 76.2 years (we'll round to 76 for this example).

76 - 52 = 24 years
24 years X $45,000 = $1,080,000

$1,080,000!!! I've just retired at age 52 as a millionaire!!!

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6Oop81269(16 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Let me give you some info directly from SB5. If an employee is SUSPECTED of taking part in a strike he forfits TWICE his daily pay for those days that he is SUSPECTED of having taken part in the strike, but, it is up to the employee to PROVE that he did not take part in the strike (what if he was in the hospital) and has to sign a sworn affidavit and go to court to get his money back. 12 People APPOINTED by the Governor, President of the Senate, and the Speaker of the house; all of these get paid out of THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND and reimbursed for all "operating expenses paid for out of THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND and according to Ohio Revised Code 124.15 which means that the can make as much as $32.00 per hour for a 40 hour week and they don't pay for their health care because they are state appointees and get it for FREE! (2) Members shall receive compensation fixed pursuant to division
(J)(A) of section 124.15 of the Revised Code and shall be reimbursed from
the school employees health care fund for actual and necessary expenses
incurred in the performance of their official duties as members of the board. THEN there are another 18 bureaucrats appointed to watch over these 12, all with the same free ride. Oh and I almost forgot, They also get to hire their own aides and these get paid for out of the SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HEALTH CARE FUND. For each and every profession listed in these adds they are going to add more bureaucrats that will cost even more tax payer money. How does any of this sound right to you? Don't beleive me?
OK, here is something to actually read.
At the very least make an educated vote and don't be one of the "sheepeople" blindly following a political party. Here is a link to all 304 pages.
Project Vote Smart condensed version.

And this page will link you to all the ballot issues in Ohio.

This page allows you to look up all the Ohio Revised Codes that the are talking about.

Copy and paste these links into your browser. Get informed. Make an informed vote!

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7Silence_Dogood(1670 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

"Median Household Income" , are you for real, or do you like to distort things. This is a number that reflects the aggregate of the working population,janitors right up to brain surgeons. If you want to do an honest income assessment you need to look at like training. Only about 22% of the population has a bachelor's degree, and guess what 100% of the teachers in our schools have one of those. Only about 5% of the population has a masters degree, and at most school systems in our area it is not uncommon for over half of the teachers to have one of those. If you want to do an honest comparison of wages, try looking within this narrow group, then repost the numbers, I am sure that at that point it will reflect the fact that teachers are not overpaid/overcompensated for what they do.

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8andersonathan(683 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Actually if the new lines would just eliminate the 17th district altogether I would be all for it. Youngstown is still number one in POVERTY so has anyone did their job in the past 10 years around here? Do any of them deserve a job? Thank God Williams went to Washington and attached himself to a sinking ship. Hagan can go downtown and support OWS. Tim Ryan seriously folks? Boccieri might as well turn the stars and stripes in for a Che poster. Maybe City council ought to resign and forfeit their paychecks to a consulting firm from India to straighten out the Cities mess.
Brown Cafaro....... go figure

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