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« Stirfry

New GOP vs. old GOP

By Bertram de Souza (Contact)


Published October 17, 2010

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There was a time in the not so distant past when the Mahoning County Republican Party made much of the fact that the county Democratic Party ran political hacks for elective offices that demanded more than a cursory understanding of government. Local GOPers were particularly critical of the Democrats who served as county prosecutor, treasurer and auditor.

The fact that corruption was also the hallmark of local Democratic rule strengthened the argument of the Republican Party that a better caliber of officeholder was necessary to restore the public’s faith in government.

But reading county GOP bigwig Mark Munroe’s letter to the editor in Sunday’s Vindicator, it’s clear that qualifications for positions that demand specific expertise are no longer a priority — or a requirement.

Munroe’s defense of the Republican nominee for county auditor, Tracey Winbush, is so weak as to be laughable. He would have been better off saying nothing.

Munroe was responding to a Vindicator editorial that said Winbush was not qualified to be auditor, seeing as how she lacked a college degree in accounting or related field and the work experience that would enable her to serve effectively in the position.

Political parties have a responsibility to find the best and the brightest to run for elective office. The county GOP would today be slamming the Democrats if they nominated a person with Winbush’s credentials.


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11970mach1(1005 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Agreed that the editorial sent by Munroe was weak, and agreed that Winbush is certainly not the first person anyone would pick to be county auditor.

However, why does Munroe get slammed for doing what a party chairman "is supposed to do" in supporting his candidate, but Betras gets a "well done" pat on the head from Bertram last week for "throwing grenades" (what Bertram says a party chairman is "supposed to do") in the silly manufactured partisan chamber of commerce charade?

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2cambridge(2996 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Jessiedavid.....You claim Obama's only job was a mere "community organizer". Actually he was a law professor, author, State Senator and a US Senator. Just wanted to clear that up for you.

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3valleyop(14 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

When Strickland, Fisher and the other statewide dems lose lets remember who's to blame, blame Betras. This guy is Chairman of the Year and knows "all" in democratic politics, well then he will be the one to blame when we lose to the GOP. He's always ready to take credit, then he should be willing to be the fall guy when we lose. Remember, blame Betras!!

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4JAB(41 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

My question is this, Why is Betras getting advice from a convicted felon, Leo Jennings. You wonder why the party is falling apart. As in the past, when Leo Jennings gets involved there is trouble.

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5davidjohn(144 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

the local republican party is lame

winbush never had a real job

she is a token of color in the local party

having said that how does this editorial deride this comment

Local GOPers were particularly critical of the Democrats who served as county prosecutor, treasurer and auditor

treasurer

she had some position with the democrat party like secretary or something

no finance background when appointed

she was in the middle of th oak hill scandal

auditor

no accounting background

democratic appointment to board of elections

then to auditor

indicted

county prosecutor

no lawyer says he does a good job

never at work

lazy

incompetent

the republicans are lame for not recruiting better candidates

does not change the fact that the democrats have been historically incompetent and or corrupt

old gop and new gop

how about old democrats and same old democrats

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6Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

There's a wealth of accurate insight being expressed here,..

See for starters this isn't about voters being fooled by a goofball buffoon like a laughable Tracey Winbush contesting the seat that the unmentioned Scirotino now holds,.. mind you Vindy endorses Scirotino.

For which this is a very poorly angled deflection pieced to campaign for voters re-accepting. Whom by actions has displayed the workings of a fraud democrat who's soon to be ousted.

Which for that same seat the pre-election and non mentioned Joe Markovitch as a candidate is being voter supported,.. how could Bertram miss that?

See Winbush is clearly a Palin variety intimation rouse.in skirt and voter foolery black face. Which is no sexist nor racist disparaging of the individual. Because be it known she'd be the same rouse she is now. No matter what gender. party or race she was,.. she's indisputably a Dupe entry / sham candidate.

See as an Independent I said it before and I'll say it again. This valley doesn't have any true democrats in the dysfunctional cabal they run. To include there's no deviation from their republican accord either.

For which that understanding is being recognized the entire state over and there's a mass rejection going on and those falsely postured as democrats are being shown non appreciation,.. and little to no voter support.

See on the larger canvas Ted Strickland's accord with those like Dave Betras and the false democrat front bunch. Is emphatically costing him / them big time and they didn't anticipate it.

See it's so profound and widespread. That even a John Kasich has appeared to exploit the voters wanting to rid those in that mix out of office.

Where far beyond the local effect. That's something that's sending shock waves throughout the true democratic and Independent parties state wide and nationally,.. AND WE'RE NOT OPPOSING IT !!!

To the voters the self serving dupes have been criminally recognized, fraud mob understood and duly being shown they're irreparably non accepted to that degree,.. THERE'S NO WAY NO REASON TO SPIN IT !!!

So this is no Old GOP -vs- any new GOP like Betram is trying to tilt and voters know it. It's just a Betram orchestrated effort to skew flat out voter rebellion. That's in effect on grand scale and they want the criminal frauds out of positions just that vehemently,.. Betram's effort here is futile.

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7Nunya(1356 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

HERE'S THE CONCLUSIVE FACTS:

See by populous and economic demographics Ohio is a democratic state. For which true democratic candidates would carry if they were in fact true democrats in values.

However, the corruption of the brand by false party criminals has tilted the table so despicably. That those voters of true democratic values can't and won't tolerate them,.. IT'S JUST THAT CLEAR !!!

National representatives know it but they have to at least try to salvage the least worst of proponents. But those criminals in Ohio are so disgusting that the numbers don't lie and even the true democrats and Independents want them out,.. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE FINAL NOV 2ND !!!

Those like Sherrod Brown, Tim Ryan, Charlie Wilson and Richard Cordray are strongly supported. However, they better keep their distance from the frauds in the party or they'll be shown the same rejection.

There's like two more weeks for this atonement to be calculated. For which it's certainly not any national effectiveness disconnection within the party either,.. FAR FROM IT !!!

It's strictly and solely a local and regional Ohio voters rejection of criminal frauds perched in seats. That's repulsively defaming and disservice-ing their political party and values,.. SO LET THE CONCESSION SPEECHES BEGIN !!!

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8Progress(58 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Bertram, Bertram, Bertram, if you would look closely at Ohio revised code, you would see that the state establishes the necessary qualifications for the position of auditor.

Now many would agree that one with a CPA would be more than qualified to hold the position, however, the state legislature does not require a college degree to seek or hold said position.

Simple reason for that is to enable the position to be sought and held by the common person, regardless of educational background.

Perhaps its time to allow the "common person" to take the reigns. We have seen for far too long how the more than qualified have done in the Valley.

Perhaps its also time for the editorial staff at the Vindy to stop taking marching orders from Mr Betras. Your circulation is already poor, and pandering to the local Dem party chairman wont make it any better.

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9Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Davidjohn, as someone who is very active in the Republican Party, I am insulted. If people would spend half as much time working to get other people elected than sitting on these boards running their mouths, maybe we would have Republicans in office here. As far as I am concerned, you are part of the problem.

Let me tell who are qualified candidates running for the Republican ticket.

Jim Graham and Bill Johnson, candidates for the 17th and 6th Congressional District. Both highly qualified, and both staffed by highly qualified people.

Mike Pestian and Matt Lewis, running for the 59th District Ohio House and 33rd District State Senate. Pestian has thirty years of private sector experience behind him, and as a district manager, and Lewis is on his way to becoming an attorney, not to mention his work in the military. Both of those staffs are highly qualified.

Each of them are busting their backs and giving the Democrats a good run for their money.

If they were not afraid and concerned, Schiavoni wouldn't have dropped over $25,000 on this race and Gerberry wouldn't have dropped over $20,000 on media, and those are only the expenses that I know about.

Here's to the guys that are making a difference by working and not sitting back and criticizing.

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10davidjohn(144 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

alexinytown typical republican

weak response

who is the republican running for commissioner

no one has ever seen him

talked about the auditors race already

winbush is lame

which republican ran for mayor of youngstown

williams is an unacceptable response

which republican ran for county prosecutor last time

oops no one

which republican ran against the treasurer

oops no one again

the republican party is lame

like jessiedavid said they have no fire

you cannot win sitting at the countryclubs

shake some hands

buy some serious media time

attack the dems head on

they are lame

nothing more be said

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11davidjohn(144 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

jessedavid

you are right

republicans will win big everywhere

except the mahoning valley

we are stuck in the past

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12Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Hey DavidJohn, Dave Betras wins hanging out at Tippecanoe Country Club.

You know what, at least I am in the game and not sitting on the sidelines.

I provided examples of qualified candidates, to which you had no response. Forgive me if the Republican Party is in a rebuilding period, but for the record, our Young Republicans are doing far more than anyone young on the Democratic side, and that is a fact that I am proud of.

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13Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

It's easy to criticize from the arm chair, but you have to grasp of the reality Republicans face in Mahoning County. And instead of being proactive, you use all sorts of generalizations like "why don't you buy some serious media" etc. etc. etc.

I'll tell you what. Why don't you go out there and find that money, and get back to me.

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14davidjohn(144 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

need corroboration on a rumor

didnt know which article to put it under

maybe i missed the story

heard that gains traficanti ludt and tablack tried to swing $50,000 to a big columbus firm

to defend the request filed in the supreme court by the cafaro lawyer

$500.00 per hour

in a county that always cries it is broke

why cant the prosecutor represent the county

or if there is a need for outside counsel how about local lawyers

who dont charge $500 per hour

and arent looking for $50,000

this is outrageous if accurate

the vindicator should be all over this

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15m8ke_the_call(105 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Jessiedavid let me tell you the Republicans have been going after these corrupt democrats. However, it is really hard to get the message out when the local media ignores you 98% of the time (yes VINDY, you too) and when the local GOP has next to no money to put into media time. Look at the campaign Finance reports of local GOP candidates and notice how little they got from the local party; the local party has NO MONEY. When the democrats own so much around here, businesses will not give to GOP (maybe fearing comrade betras' wrath?), and people view giving the GOP money as a waste of time/money; it is hard for the local GOP to get much attention at all.

And to all of the people that B&M on these forums, why don't you get off your hindquarters and do something yourself? Its easy to hit on your butts and complain while contributing nothing.

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16cambridge(2996 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

The New GOP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7b7i...

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171970mach1(1005 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

The GOP is weak locally because the people in Struthers, Campbell, Youngstown, and increasingly Austintown, and parts of Boardman are slaves to Democrat party and will only vote for Democrats.
It really does not matter who GOP gets to put on ballot in races where party label is on the ballot, GOP will lose those races. That shows the stupidity of the voter, not the quality of the candidate.
Take note that in trustee races and judicial races w/o a party label, GOP does pretty well.

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181970mach1(1005 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Bertram's point is GOP failed to get good candidates .My point to him is GOP has had good candidates, but history has shown they will not win because of closed minded voters. THAT is what has caused locals NOT to run on GOP ticket.

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19theCaliforniaKid(56 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Both sides are nuttier than a holiday fruitcake. If nothing else, let off steam and vote against the majority on principle. Traficant is hated by both,R's&D's alike, and annhilated by the media, because he represents - at least, in this reporter's opinion - an actual pulling-the-head-out-of-the-sand-and-face-the-music'n'tackle-the-status-quo attitude. He seems not that bad, like some want us to believe. I mean look at washington..Taking the worst view, he's the lesser of at least around 400+ evils. Now think about it

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20Billybob21(96 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

And so it begains we are about to be a 3th world country thanks to the republicans. This area is doomed the republicans could careless about the mahoning valley. I think the Us has forgotton its the republicans that got us in this mess.

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21Askmeificare(700 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

@ Jessiedavid:

WOW! I checked out that link you posted in comment six and indeed it is loaded!

http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content...

Sounds like Betras and Hagan want to get into everyones home and strip them of their privacy. Even Bruce Zoldan stated that Chairman Humphries shouldn't privately host while he is Chairman.

Ya know, for these guys supposed to be community leaders, they sure are childish and not very intelligent about how they resolve issues.

Hard to state the obvious, as I am a Democrat, but Betras and Hagan need to go.

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