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"F--- you, you made a big f------ mistake ..."

By Bertram de Souza (Contact)

Published April 4, 2010

The police report referred to in this writer’s column Sunday (see below) about a fight in a bar on Mahoning Avenue reads like a script from the popular HBO series “The Sopranos.”
No charges have been filed, which is why the identities of those involved and the name of the establishment are being withheld by this writer. But even without that information, the Youngstown police report makes for interesting reading.
According to the report, the fight was over Tic Tac Fruit machines and the bar owner’s decision not to continue having them in his place. Why? Because the operator of the machines reportedly wanted the bar to pay off winners in cash, rather than food vouchers.
After being told of the ban, the operator of the machines allegedly responded thus:
“F--- you, you made a big f------ mistake, I’m going to put you in the ground. Your’re going down. Your bar’s going down, your family.”
The operator was accompanied by two other men, one using a baseball bat to keep employees and patrons at bay while the other “ripped the flat screen 37” Vizio television off the wall and attempted to fling it” at an employee.
The trio fled westbound on Mahoning Avenue with the Vizio television in a Black Chevy Tahoe.
It’s not known whether charges will be filed, or what the status of the investigation is today, but the situation is serious enough that it should attract the attention of the Ohio Attorney General’s Office.
Tic Tac Fruit machines and other so-called games of skill are regulated by state law, which is enforced by the attorney general.


1deepthroat330(1 comment)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

These same people that were kicking in the money for Marc Dann are the same ones that are still funding our politicians. I'll point you in the right direction Bertram. Heres the link: Marc Dann's campaign treasurer was Dave Betras. He raised the money for Dann and now he's raising it for the Democrat Party. Are they contributing for favors? Just follow the money trail and you'll win a Pulitzer Prize like Woodward and Bernstein. It's not the difficult !!

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2Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

"Black Chevy Tahoe."

How many of them are there in The Valley ? Who drives one ? Hmmmmmmm . . ..

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3Nunya(1356 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago


You know you're exactly right about following the money and it doesn't require any bias to be able to review that Dann's trail certainly does have Betras so involved you can't miss it.

It's also not perceived as irony for Betras to be a kept hand of Cafaro's either. Where to include and conclude along with being Cafaro's lawyer in the money shakedown of the cities interest in Oakhill place.

Betras was also quiet vocally instrumental as co partnered with Dann to had gotten the historically non electable Capri Cafaro that appointment to state office as well.

So for anyone seeking to cite Betras as a valley gem. Would more likely be a fence for a jewel heist or extortion plot.

Than one bearing any identity of a mere victimized citizen of such the crime wave hailing him as a savior.

Where if you've read Betram's takes on things. I'd think it safe to say Bertram won't dare follow that money trail you're imploring.

Which is a hide in plain sight polluted stream that pretty much leaves no room to question. That from whats been displayed the branch of the democratic party in this area.

Has finally been infested beyond mere infiltration by the same faction that runs the republican branch.

It's a shame because when you look at the ballots you actually don't see any appealing candidates to support.

Thus far there's not any I've heard of that you can't link to the channels of cronyism corruption. That has such a long and debilitating history of absolute dishonor,.. and criminal corruption.

The people needs to take both their parties back. Because that's the only way the area residents are going to combat the mass infestation of such criminals.

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41970mach1(1005 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

" "Black Chevy Tahoe."

How many of them are there in The Valley ? Who drives one ? Hmmmmmmm . . .."

Lots of people. What do you mean by the innuendo?

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5FREDSTR(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Although I’m a registered Democrat and helped vote Congressman Ryan into office, I won’t make that mistake again. With the elections just a little over 3 weeks away I was looking for an alternative to the incumbent Ryan. It’s not that I’m against health care for those misfortunate not to have insurance. I worked all my life to earn what I have; not to pay for insurance for the job stealing illegal aliens or the terrorists in the 37 terrorist camps in this country. The terrorists are here to kill us and destroy our country, but with the new health care bill we must provide them with insurance. Two words “American citizens” added to the bill would have made it easier to accept. I am Pro-life and Mr. Ryan is Pro-choice. I like many others that post here wanted an alternative but didn’t want to cross party lines. I watched for Vindicator coverage to try to find who was running against Mr. Ryan. I’ve read posts about the Democratic Mafia in Youngstown and Mr. Ryan is embedded so deep in that group that no media print or television will cover any candidate but Mr. Ryan. To my good fortune a candidate came to my door. It turns out he’s a neighbor running, on the Democratic ticket for 17TH Congressional Representative. This gentleman’s name is Bob Crow, we had a very lengthy talk and I ask him why I’d never heard of him through the media. He said he has had interviews with most of the newspapers but locally he can’t get any coverage.
He went on to describe how Bertram DeSousa tried to belittle him in front of all at the meeting with the Vindicator, by saying that he didn’t know his facts about the V & M Star expansion. The Vindicator should apologize to Mr Crow for DeSousa’s actions. Mr. DeSousa was dead wrong claiming that the V & M Star expansion was put together by Ryan. I have personally called V & M Star executives that I know and they confirmed that Mr. Ryan was at the announcement of the expansion and the media portrayed him as putting the deal together, when in reality he was called in to amicably settle the differences between Mayor Williams and Mayor Melfi. I also think the Vindicator and DeSousa owe Mayors Williams and Melfi an apology for discrediting these two gentlemen after the time and effort they put forward to acquire the expansion project.
I was very impressed with Candidate Crow when I inquired about his platform or views, education, work history, and I was very impressed by his manor and appearance. If anyone out there is like me not wanting to vote for the incumbent, doesn’t want to cross party lines; there is an alternative worth checking into. You’ll have to research it yourself because like I pointed out the media won’t cover anyone other than Ryan. Good or bad send me your comments.

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