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« Brain food from the heartland

Offend Youngstown

By Louie b. Free (Contact)


Published March 31, 2009

 

Maybe I just don't get it .

 

 Come on-how long ago was it that the Mahoning County Criminal Justice System was deemed "DYSFUNCTIONAL "  by Atty Vince Nathan. Vince Nathan was appointed "special master" by US Federal Judge David Dowd( A "special master" is appointed by a court to carry out some sort of action on its behalf). Yeah, but who's Vince Nathan think he is? Well: Vincent M. Nathan is a professor in the Department of Criminal Justice at The University of Toledo in Toledo, Ohio. Since 1994, Mr. Nathan has worked extensively in the field of corrections and correctional reform. He was a special master for the United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio in a case involving conditions in the Mahoning County Jail in Youngstown, Ohio, and has been retained as an expert witness in cases involving prison or jail conditions in New York State, New York City, Ohio, and Indiana.

Mr. Nathan has served as a special master for federal and state courts in a number of cases, including statewide litigation concerning the Texas Department of Corrections and the New Mexico Department of Corrections and correctional reform litigation in Georgia and Michigan. Mr. Nathan has also been an expert witness in corrections litigation in Rhode Island, Washington State, California, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Maryland. Many of the cases in which Mr. Nathan has been involved have addressed issues relating to crowding. Several have involved conditions at so-called "supermax" prisons.

Mr. Nathan has been a consultant for several correctional departments in the United States. He was also a consultant to the United States Department of Justice in several CRIPA investigations, including those relating to the Shelby County Jail in Memphis, Tennessee, and the Nassau County Jail in Nassau County, New York, and in the development of core detention standards for local detention facilities under contract with the Immigration & Naturalization Service, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, or the United States Marshal Service-QUALIFIED, WOULDN'T YOU SAY??

I guess our 'system' wears the 'dysfuntional' label  like the SoYo(south y-town)pistol-packers wear their guns and  t-shirts that proclaim: " Youngstown,Ohio-Come Packing Heavy, or Dont Come  At ALL" , or as the Jim Traficant lovers  wear their "Welcome Home Jimbo" t-shirts.  If they wern't proud of being dysfuntional, they'd do something about it .

A few observations:

Weren't there two taxes passed on the backs of  Y-town Police and Fire? - The Garbage Tax and the Income Tax ?

How many law enforcers and firefighters were hired  as a result of those taxes?

-and now that's crime's rampant- we'll take law enforcer numbers down?

 The first quarterly meeting of the Mahoning County Corrections Planning Board was held a couple of weeks ago. Noticably absent (other than the media-of course) was the Sheriff,County Prosecutor and City Police Chief = DYSFUNCTIONAL. 

 Dedicated Law Enforcers quickly becoming  dejected after witnessing apathy from leadership. Too many 'desk-job divisions while street cops risk their lives. Side jobs trumping street work. Numbers manipulated via an all too effective  spin-cycle. Revolving door so-called justice=offenders back on the street before the law enforcers that risked their lives are done with the paperwork. Recently 4 murder acquittals ,4 dismissals and 9 ammended. Are you kidding- 70+% of those in county jail are AWAITING trial ???

 

 So,here I go again: WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?? WHERE'S THE LEADERSHIP ??

 MAYBE IT'S ME !!!

Maybe I really do have it all wrong- maybe it's not JUST the thugs that are proud of being deemed HIGH-CRIME, A MURDER CAPITAL, PACK HEAVY community---maybe others are proud too. Maybe along side the other t-shirts :

 

 I WEAR A BLACK KEVLAR JUDICIAL  ROBE IN Y-TOWN AND I'M PROUD

 

 I DONT FEAR THE MUDERERS THAT I LET WALK THE STREETS- I'M A Y-TOWNER

 

 I MANAGE AND MAINTAIN THE MOST EFFICIENT REVOLVING DOOR ON ANY JAIL IN OHIO

 

 THE HILLS ARE ALIVE WITH THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE

 

 

 MEETINGS? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' MEETINGS

 

 

 ONE MAN'S FELONIOUS ASSAULT IS ANOTHER MAN'S MISCELLANEOUS CRIMINAL INCIDENT

 

 ONE MAN'S KIDNAPPING IS ANOTHER MAN'S MISCELLANEOUS CRIMINAL INCIDENT

 

    THEY'RE ALL 1019'S !!!!!

 

 IF YOU DON'T HEAR GUNFIRE-YOU'RE NOT IN MY-TOWN: Y-TOWN !

 

 OR MAYBE THEY'RE NOT REALLY PROUD-MAYBE ALL THESE SO-CALLED LEADERS CARE ABOUT IS THEIR PAYCHECK CASHING EVERY TWO WEEKS...

 

 

 

iF ONLY THIS WERE April Fool's joke

 

 

 

 


Comments

1Tugboat(759 comments)posted 5 years, 5 months ago

I think Louie wrote, "Dedicated Law Enforcers quickly becoming dejected after witnessing apathy from leadership. Too many 'desk-job divisions while street cops risk their lives. "

This fact and our officer-citizen ratios are repeatedly ignored by the leadership and our media.

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2lbf(144 comments)posted 5 years, 5 months ago

tell me
~Louie
or email me
louiefree@hotmail.com

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3Tugboat(759 comments)posted 5 years, 5 months ago

http://www.policepay.net/vallejo/swor...

http://policepay.blogspot.com/2008/09...

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4Tugboat(759 comments)posted 5 years, 5 months ago

I E Cops per 1,000 comparison:

Ann Arbor 167 officers pop.114,498 1.63 per 1,000
Cedar Rapids 191 officers 122, 542 1.56 per 1,000
Concord 157 officers 124,977 1.26 per 1,000
El Monte 143 officers 121,740 1.17 per 1,000
Fullerton 147 officers 131,249 1.12 per 1,000

Youngstown 180 officers 74,000 2.4 per 1,000

Boardman Twp 50 officers 42,000 1.19 per 1,000

Get the picture?

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5Tugboat(759 comments)posted 5 years, 5 months ago

2007 data for Ohio:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/...

For number of officers per 1000, take the number of sworn employees, divide by the population of the agency's jurisdiction, and then multiply by 1,000.

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6gistol(72 comments)posted 5 years, 5 months ago

tugboat, are you saying there are too many cops in Youngstown? To be fair, your numbers should include the crime rates in the above mentioned cities and a nationwide average, not just a few hand-picked cities. I believe the national average is 2 officers per 1,000. Maybe Fullerton is relatively crime-free and they do not need as strong of a police force to manage their city? There may be some cities with 3-4 cops per 1,000. Youngstown and Warren both are loaded with drug dealers, crack houses, abandoned homes (free playing ground for crimes), arson, murder, shootings and more. My opinion is that we should increase the safety forces as much as possible until we can watch 1 news cast that does not include a murder, armed robbery, shooting or drug bust.

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7apollo(1227 comments)posted 5 years, 5 months ago

Tug, you're stuck on this per 1000 staffing issue. You also need to consider crime in the equation. I just called Akron PD. I think Akron is a better comparison to Youngstown that Ann Arbor and the low crime communities you cite above. Communities with high crime like Youngstown are certainly going to have more officers per 1000 than Boardman. Akron has 466 officers for a population of 208,000 or 2.24 officers per 1000. Pretty close to what Youngstown has. Perhaps Youngstowns department is top heavy and that's another topic.

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8Tugboat(759 comments)posted 5 years, 5 months ago

We could argue apples and oranges all day long. Granted, the problems are different. The bottom line is that the Patrolman's Union President for YPD stated in Monday's Vindy article that there are about 90 patrolmen working shifts. What are the other 90 officers doing??? I'd love to see YPD with 300 officers yet it might not matter if a portion of the population is lacking in civility. Services are a function of what the community wants and is willing to pay for. All I know is that the Mayor was looking to the surrounding jurisdictions to help pay for it and that would be hard to justify when these jurisdictions, such as Boardman, are operating with a little more than 1 officer per 1000 and laying people off.

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9Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

"THE HILLS ARE ALIVE WITH THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE"

It's the culture! Dont expect any change until leaders are elected that put the needs of moral working people in Youngstown first. The answer to Youngstown's problems is to either put the criminals with all that free time to work or lock them up. Since it puts less of a burden on society to put them to work lets look at that angle. Generating jobs for Youngstown should be priority one.

SO YOU SAY YOU HAVE A PLAN JAY?
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10redvert(2058 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Stan, your idea of jobs is great but do you think the criminal mentality really wants a 40 hour a week job. I am sure a few would but not the majority. Lot more money in drugs with pick your own hours!

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