Special to The Vindicator | posted Nov 17th 2010
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The video clearly shows Spain to be the instigator and carried the chaos throughout the altercation. The bus driver certainly could have been more professional and the bus assistant was only trying to get Spain off the bus. Spain is completely at fault and should be expelled from school. Spain is obviously a troubled kid and it appears his parents all but encourage his outrageous behavior. Any reasonable parent would discipline their kid for the behavior that Spain exhibited. Shame on Spain's parents/guardians for not beating his arse instead of trying to direct the fault at the driver and assistant.
Yea there son is a angel that would never do anything bad.
The punk is not totally at fault? Get real! If anything this video proves it! First off, his 17 year ghetto talk punk mouth is enough to ticked some people off, and what do you expect the driver and assistance to do? Treat him like he's some kind of God. He was the one threatening everyone and talking trash. And then coming back with a GUN. Unreal. He should be in JJC for he's starting the life of ending up in prison or at the county morgue.
I watched this video and I was disgusted. This boy clearly has mental issues, what family would willing release this to the press. I don't see what choice the asst. bus driver has, clearly this punk was an endangerment to all the kids as well as the staff. Honestly I think the bus driver had it with this kid, could she have been more professional sure.. but she's human, she don't get paid to get abused. I think this kid is clearly a burden on society and i predict we will be paying for this thug before long in mahoning county jail hopefully he has a quarter to call his big bad sister.
Wonder why Youngstown public schools are failing. Before we start blaming teachers we should look at who they got to teach
True story, when I was in school in 1990 one of our female Jackson Milton bus drivers pulled a bus over and beat a kid down on the side of the road for refusing to turn off his boom box. She then called the police and had him arrested. I never messed around on the bus.
How dumb are this fools parents? Claim your son is not at fault and say you have the video to prove it.....yet the video clearly shows your moron son is completely at fault.
People really wonder why Youngstown schools are failing? One video tells it all.
The reason city schools are failing is that these are the only types of kids left for us to educate while all the rest go to charter schools or open enroll elsewhere.
The video clearly shows who is at fault. This moron's parents are slow too if they are claiming to have video evidence of who started what. There appears to be a significant lack of home training from the foul language used. We should stand behind the bus driver and assistant 100% in this situation. There should be no repercussions on their part. All we can do in this situation is pray for him and his family.
Censordship, I've become a fan of your posts. Largely, you are correct, but if you think Matt Spain is only "moderately" illiterate, you are most likely mistaken. Blame the schools, blame the schools, blame the schools. This boy was like this in middle school, and has probably been on probation since then as well. At what point are the citizens who elect Judge Dellick to her post going to DEMAND she do her job! Countless juvenile delinquents such as this are attending schools in Youngstown every day, yet the Academic Distress Commission and Congress, with their proposed reauthorizations of No Child Left Behind, REFUSE, absolutely REFUSE to understand & accept why kids can't learn when lumped in with these thugs. Terms of the probabtion often DEMAND that these delinquents attend school - not pay attention, not behave, just attend. That's right, so administrators are inadvertently pressured by court officials to maintain disruptive and violent students in school because then it doesn't cost JJC a bed. People really have no clue. Yes, the mentality of this family is par for the course, yet politicians continue to cite the schools and teachers as reasons kids fail. At what point will this country address the social problems for what they really are???? At what point will we as citizens demand it!? I beg of everyone reading this and other posts. Cite this situation and write a letter to your senators, congressman, and any other legislators you feel may have pull with changing the system at large. Censordship has posted repeatedly articles & letters about the social welfare system and its connection with Urban crime rates. This person is correct. That is where it needs to start, and those of us paying taxes to promote this way of life in Youngstown, are just as responsible as the politicians if we don't speak up and demand that they, and as well Judge Dellick, do their jobs.
Really? Really???? That can't be real can it? To think, there are teachers with classrooms that have several "students" just like this in them. This would be the reason I NEVER blame the teachers for the school system. Anyway, how the assistant didn't put that "student" to sleep on the sidewalk, I don't know. I commend him for his patience, but don't know how he did it. Once that "student" threw the first punch, it should have been lights out. Then there is the fact that they need an "assistant" on the bus anyway. Is "assistant" a P.C. way of saying additional security for the driver because your hoodlum kids are dangerous terrors and can't be trusted in school or on the bus?
This boy needs to be a sparring partner at the boxing gym and have his boxing talent developed . :)
Well said. One of the best posts I've read in a while.
the child was wrong and needs to walk and if the parent cant afford bus money then home school him because this is embarrassing to watch.
second the bus driver was out of line, as a professional she should of not got up out her seat and went over to this child as if she was going to fight him. at this point she was just as guilty as the ignorant child.
the buss driver, i feel escalated this situation and so did the aide. after watching this video all involved need to be disciplined. as a person who worked with this type of youth for over 5 years i can clearly say this is a mess on all ends.
Why didnt the bus driver call for help right away if it was me I would have called the bus supervisor and asked for immediate assistance and had the student removed from the bus by proper athorities the driver should have not gotten out of her seat unless he was hitting another student and he should be expelled from school and the bus
Right, she should not have responded the way she did. As soon as he uttered the words "black bi%&h" to her, she should have backhanded him down the steps. Your counseling and nicey nice crap won't cut it with these "kids". They are too far gone and the only thing they respect, learn from, and fear is force. You think sitting him down and talking to him will change him, you better face the facts. Kid like this...you have something he wants...he will have no problem doing whatever it is he has to do to take it. Unfortunately, Y-town and the surrounding areas are FULL of kids just like this. Hang on to your hats!
If these kids want to act like that make them walk to school. This behavior puts everybody on the bus at risk. Of course the kids parents don't want to take responsibility for how he was raised, it's always the school or the teacher, never the parents fault.
The part that struck me as hilarious was the boy calling the driver a black bit**. He musta lost track of what race he was . Respect for others starts with of a respect for yourself . The bus driver has my admiration for showing this boy that he was not the boss ! We need more like her to put these kids in their place .
@ Rokscout pls.. dont get it twisted i didnt work counseling sweetie i worked on units with barely any assistance with male youth like this on a daily so if you havent did this type of work as a woman for a period of five years you have no clue and you still have to be professional no matter how mad u are. when you elect to take the job you are trained on these situations be fore you start and not one time did she call the police or head quarters to let them know what was going on. the safety of the other students were now what she neglected. again when she got up and went at him while he was leaving made the situation worst and escalated it and needs to be removed from her job and the child never ride any city school bus again.
lets look at the facts and stop using emotions:
1. you have an irate child using curse words but not physically aggressive leaving the bus2.driver goes after him yelling curse words and making verbal threats of physical harm3. the boy becomes physically aggressive once staff walked up on him as leaving4. situation becomes physical5. aide puts his hands on child6. bus drivers yells beat his ass7. still no call to the police8. head quarters still not called9. finally after all this she calls and reports the situation
after all this all involved needs to be disciplined
Criticism of the bus driver reminds me of the Jack Nicholson character in the movie "A Few Good Men", who said, "The truth? You can't handle the truth!"The truth of this incident is that it takes more fortitude than I possess to drive a school bus from this particular school for adolescents with severe behavior disorders. In order to start driving, you must first turn your back on them."sickntired" must surely know that if the driver ignored these insults to prevent "escalating" the situation, that she would have to endure more of the same and worse with every successive trip.I don't like her language and behavior. But he will not respond to politeness that he reads as "weak".
Well when u allow someone to make u lose control then you become their puppet. The boy knew how to pull her strings and he did just that. When he were disrespecting the children she should of thought about there safety then. All were wrong the child,the driver and the aide and all need to be disicipline.
THE TRUTH IS THE BUS DRIVER CAUSED THE SITUATION TO ESCALATE AND NEVER CALLED THE SCHOOL OR PLOICE UNTIL AFTER THE FACT..... TRUTH?
@ openminded u are on point
My oh my how these young punks get away with sh@#4 these days. They wouldn't last 1 second back in the days. They are so babied, spoiled and just rotten the way they talk and act to elders, especially ones in authority. And to have fools sticking up for them as if they don't do nothing wrong. Whatever happened to the respect factor? Whatever happened to getting paddled at school and then whacked at home if you so much as looked at a adult wrong. No wonder the state of schools are like they are, everything is to baby the kids and the parent(s) have no control over them. My grandfather must be turning over in his grave if he seen what these kids have become. What a sad future this world is headed for when kids can't and won't tolerate being punished for there misbehaving and the parent(s) thinking nothing of it, like its acceptable. Such a shame.
"The driver wasn't 100% correct in her actions and they could have turned out bad."
Standing up to this young punk with the filthy mouth is wrong? Thats the problem, you can't try to put these young punks in there place with out getting scrutinized and that's sad. Instead of mommy running to the media and crying about how there innocent young punk is so right. Settle it one on one and discipline the punk not the adult. Always have to get the media involved. Why? To show how low class your little angel is? Once again the filthy mouth punk is the victim.
Censorship i agree with ur point,thats all im saying she didnt call when he was cursing out the kids,she didn't ask him to calm down, she never turned the bus around.she got up out her seat to go after a child that was cursing as he was leaving the bus,she placing the rest of youth in danger and that's alright. She had the aide fighting him and yelled for him to attack the kid and that's ok on the job?she never once called the police or the school and kept this mess going on knowing someone could of came and shot up the bus or more.... she was not thinking in the best interest of the other children at all. So if ur child or family member was on this bus can you honestly say the bus drivers behavoir was in the interest of the other children she was transporting? At anytime this could of gotton worst sighhhh....
The driver =fired, aide= fired,child=permenently kicked off the bus and suspended from school with a pending expulsion
There is no excuse for any of their behaviors involved
sickntired..I couldn't disagree more with all of the posts you have left in the last month. Although I will give you that the drivers language was out of line, the aide in the matter did just what he was supposed to do. Aide the driver. Its easy for you to claim that there is a more dignified approach to handling the situation but i can promise you that once put in that position you would have similar reactions. When they claim anger issues as a reason for the students misbehavior it is absurd. The child needed more discipline growing up and not the encouragement from his sister Yolonda or what not. Lets see his sisters support when he reaches that magic age of 18 and becomes incarcerated. Then it's YOUR tax dollars paying for this common thug to eat and sleep. Good thing we gave him all that coddling and placing the blame elsewhere when he was younger. Give it 6 months and this kid will have already fallen into the recidivism rate. Driver= Not the best strategy but acceptable, The Aide= More power to you for not putting that hood to sleep, The Thug=Lock HIM up, he is both a danger to society and himself
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