To Cedars--best of luck in your new home! Too bad you couldn't stay somewhere downtown, but why exist in a place that's just become a new Austintown. As for the redevelopment of the Gallagher Building: Upscale. Hahaha. Upscale. Oh that is rich. The loud, screaming douche jock clientele can enjoy the view of even more new parking lots with their "upscale" burgers. Sad statement on the lack of taste or brains in this new phase of downtown. Upscale. Can't wait for drywall, bad light fixtures, brick & brass! Classy, classy.
January 29, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
Youngstown. Wake Up. Do not ruin the only good asset in the city, Mill Creek Park. Be educated. Do not drill. And don't drill in any city park either. Do you want this already ruined city to become another Love Canal? Between the vile "development" of downtown (poorly planned, cheesy developments, lack of understanding about taste, architecture, history, preservation, etc.), you cannot ruin what is the only remaining (and true!) gem in this otherwise not very pleasing city. Please. Wake up!!! Does no one give a damn about Youngstown and making it a tolerable, livable city that is NOT a joke? Come on, we can do better.
December 23, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
I'm hoping that the Cedars at the Grove is in fact the rumor it so far seems to be. If Cedars reopens, and it should, it should be downtown--but please pick the right old building and don't go muddling it up with all the trappings of blandness that the other bars downtown have--there are strip malls in the 'burbs, so leave them there. A new Cedars downtown should be a model, and continue the bar's tradition.
The whole connectedness of this developer and city gov't is just so shady--why doesn't this paper or local TV do a proper investigative story? Also--there's someone actually in charge of events for the city of Youngstown? That is the biggest joke ever. Can someone with taste and brains please step in here already?
December 10, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.
Cedars was known outside of Youngstown. To dismiss it as a dump is to not have a clue about what it really means, or meant in the role of downtown. Larger question: Why is the city granting that martini joint on Federal $20K--they have a unique old building--but will they preserve the architecture and bring about good design/taste, that is highly doubtful. It is Austintown East--that is the most apt description of what downtown has become. It had style in its day, ages ago, and all that is vanishing rapidly. The demo of the theater, this new (I'm sure it'll be what Youngstown deems as classy, ie: flashy trashy) redo of the Gallagher (Cedars) Building and the $20K to martini centrale all seems a bit shady... Youngstown is poor, sure--but there is some money out there, I mean, where are the Yorks, Cafaros, Covellis, etc.--Youngstowners with the means to save the theater facade and create a fine, open public space for the city to take some real pride? You know, there was a time when folks with money did things for civic improvement. There's a reason the Wick name is all over town. Let's see a new era of that. And, long live Cedars. Let's hope they have Cedars II downtown, so that there is at least one good bar there!
December 8, 2012 at 8:29 p.m.
More athletic facilities! Yay! More parking lots! Awesome. Has anyone told YSU that maybe their business should be academics? And that they ought to be a custodian of their city and help preserve bits and pieces of its architectural history whenever it can (and it can, mind you). Whole thing makes me sick. Go Penguins. Whooeee. Get a grip.
December 8, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
It's called universal health care and the rest of the industrialized world has it. Get over it folks. And quit watching Fox News. YSU isn't the innocent one here.
December 8, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
I get what the last commenter said about a natural process, and it's true. But when you see the quality going from bad to worse downtown, you have to be worked up. Cedars was the true anchor and originator of any bar renaissance downtown. How about all the years folks went to Cedars when NOTHING else was there, nor did others care--and dolts would respond "What? You're going downtown?," like it was weird to do that (go Youngstown mentality). Cedars was around before all the others (truly awful, mundane bars) glommed on to the idea of downtown. And with this, any sense of taste in Youngstown is officially flushed. It's not like good places are coming into being downtown, they're all cheesy dumps with trashy clientele, and no taste whatsoever about the world at large. Wake the F up.
December 8, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
Amazing. And yet the city will fund a downtown "martini bar" (um, what year is it?) with $20K, and fully demolish the Paramount theater. And the backwards nature of Youngstown continues in grand fashion! Let all the cheesy bars continue with their meathead clientele, and utter lack of any sense of interior aesthetics. Someone get a clue in that city, please. It is maddening. Let's drill! Let's have cheesy bars! Let's demolish fine architecture! Let's have another athletic facility at YSU! Take a look at the world and learn something Youngstown. It is harder and harder to have any pride in a town that is being ruined so deeply with every minute.
December 8, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
Build a parking lot--well that's Youngstown know-how at its best. City was something once, now it's a joke. So sad. Have only ignorant people to blame. Place turns my stomach (but the beauty of it, the history of it is there, it's real, and if the damn city had a brain it'd use it to its advantage). The whole world is trying to emulate Brooklyn (no, not Youngstown). Here a small city with a wealth of architecture and a sense of place (do you know what place means? It's not a parking lot), just throws it away. Always two decades behind the times. Poor, sad town. Shame. Total shame. No wonder folks leave it for real cities.
December 4, 2012 at 8:30 p.m.
Way to go Youngstown! Typical. Just when I thought something right was being done, nope, we love our demolition. To remove that facade is ridiculous. This is your city's architectural and social history and it cannot be reproduced. For the mayor to say they'd build a replica is a farce--you can't rebuild something of quality like that building today. Youngstown doesn't look to other cities around the country and how historic preservation uplifts and revitalizes. Backwards town. And you've just confirmed it yet again. McKelvey's gone (ugly building that ignores the streetscape/street-life in its place), Strouss ruined by strip mall aesthetics inside. Cheesy bars lining Federal Street--way to go. No one has taste or a brain in that damn town. YOU HAVE HISTORY! YOU HAVE ARCHITECTURE! In other cities it'd be celebrated! It'd become a focal point for renaissance! Why is Youngstown so backwards? And YSU--tearing down historic homes and buildings all over the place. Shame, and ignorance. My god, wake up Youngstown! Please, Youngstowners with means--create a coalition and fund to save (at least) the facade! Create a viable and public space, not a parking lot, not a replica. What makes downtowns unique?--not parking lots, and not just (mostly) lackluster bars. Please, wake up! For your own sake. Get it together already.
December 4, 2012 at 3:05 p.m.