It has been more than 7 months since we first heard the dissappointing news of Dale Giffin's sexual misconduct. Bishop Eaton has tried to help the members of Zion to get past this devastating news but there still needs to be a confrontation with the members of Zion and those in the know who have sat on concil, finance and salary review committees. These people have known about Dale's dark side but remained silent allowing him to put us where we are now. I think it is time to find out the facts, ask the questions and ask those who knew to step down. Dale has been back to Zion and speeks to his "personal" secretary daily.. could it be the shreeder has been in use overtime? How do we heal and go forward when we do not know where we were and how we got there?? Some of the more nervous "in the know people" would like nothing better than to see members who do not agree with them leave the church without the answers we all need to hear! Well, I for one will stay and ask the questions, I will not be silent, please join me for the truth!
May 31, 2009 at 11:53 p.m.
It has been almost 7 months since we learned the incredible truth that Dale Giffin was asked to leave Zion Lutheran Church because of sexual misconduct. Bishop Eaton has since tried to help members of Zion through this disappointing and astonishing revolation and I think she has a pretty good grip on how to direct Zion to the next level of healing. The only thing I think is missing is the confrontation of those in the know and in possition of "leadership" within our church. We need to ask the hard questions that so far have remained silent. How do we move forward without knowing where we've been ? And those who knew about Dale and his dark side are still sitting on council and in charge of our finance and salary review committees! The same people who handed over more than $74,000.00 in severence pay to Dale when he was the one who resigned..severence pay was not warrented..in fact that was a slap in the face to members who were asked each and every year to step up their gifts of giving.. for what, severence pay??? And these same members are running the church the same way Dale has run it... don't ask questions or else?? I think it is time for a congregational meeting where we can get answers..once and for all!!!!
May 31, 2009 at 12:10 p.m.
Zion members unite! Our congregation needs to attend the next council meeting held on March 17 at 7 PM and ask the HARD questions those in the know have avoided ansering all these years! I don't doubt that many of the church council are decent people who were unwittingly sucked into Dale's deception but given the mess we are in and the budget and severence pay given at the January meeting it is safe to say that even without Dale this council has decided to carry on business as usual. And for some we sit afraid to say anything and come away just as intimadated as when Dale stood before us. It is hard to change anything alone.. but our voices can be heard if we unite and finally speak our concerns.. together! I'm certain some of you have asked the same questions over the years silently to yourselves.. so let's ask together, let's ask questions in a non accousatory mannor but once and for all let us not be silent or give up and leave Zion without the answers as hundreds of former members have done! If the attitude toward us is a negative and non compliant one then we'll know that we will have no future with such a church. Let's call the church today and let them know we are attending the March council meeting (it is your right as a member) and want answers to our questions! Unite through CHRIST and God bless us al!
March 2, 2009 at 3:42 p.m.
Part 2We can ask questions and certainly no question should be considered frivolous. We need to ask why Dale is still listed as head of the daycare, where do those monies go? Is there a yearly audit is it from a non member, outside agency? Have we ever had an outside audit for the church books? Who did it? How long ago? Why do we need to have Giffin Investments still on our books..there are local investment firms not related to Dale who can give us a simular return! Why don't we have complete disclosure on certain line items in the yearly budget especially when we are asked to step up our yearly giving in order to support this budget? Line items like salary, FDIC, pension, auto, social security, etc> How do these items break down? And to whom do they belong to? And if we are paying employee salaries then don't we have the right to complete disclosure before asking us to vote on this unknown and very expensive portion of our budget? (calling the office to ask for the salary breakdown is a joke as the info sent you doesn't balance with the line item amount..this year alone there was a $86,129.00 difference! Could this money have been allocated for Dale's severence pay? And who gives the salary review, the church council or anyone the right to dole out that kind of money to someone who resigned from our church and clurgy??And why are the same people always in charge of the salary review and the finance committees? On and on, and on.. I'm sure some of you have asked these same questions and perhaps have a few other questions of your own to ask.. so let's ask them, let's ask questions in a non accousatory mannor but once and for all let us not be silent or give up and leave Zion without the answers like hundreds of former members have done!If the attitude toward us is a negative and non compliant one then we'll know that we will have no future with a church who doesn't recognize ALL members. Let's call the church and let them know we are attending the March council meeting (it is your right as a member of Zion) and want answers to our questions! Unite through CHRIST and may God bless us all!
March 2, 2009 at 2:51 p.m.
Dale Giffin is a very flawed personality and when it comes to Zion he was to have complete control and power or else! I guess if I had been a part of his "inner circle" I could have predicted the outcome ofg his manipulative behavior over the years and know that "I" not only failed getting help for my pastor but more importantly "I" did not protect the members of our church! To be drawn into someone's hidden adgenda that was to further his complete power and control over a trusting and faithful congregation is inexcusable and down right arrogant! It's no wonder we are now lsft with questions that need to be addressed before we can hope to move forward and find a new pastor and perhaps a new council! Our congregation needs to unite and go to the next council meeting held March 17 at 7PM and ask the HARD questions those in charge have avoided answering for years! I don't doubt that some of council are decent people who were unwittingly sucked into Dale's deception but given the mess we are in and the budget and severence pay given at the January meeting is safe tosay that even without Dale, this council has decided to carry on business as usual. And for some, we sit afraid to say anything and come away just as intimadated as when Dale stood before us! It is hard to change anything alone.. but our voices can be heard if we unite and finally speak our concerns..together! Please read Part 2 of my comment...
March 2, 2009 at 2:26 p.m.
What a fine mess this has turned out to be! After reading the comments made by members and non members I decided to make a few comments as well. Dale has meant many things to many people over the past 30 years and it is no surprise that tyhe congregation is divided. But we as members must face the facts and realize that Dale had a flawed personality . His inner circle were always on council and the finance and salary review committees, guarenting a fat salary and total control of Zion. We now have to ask the HARD questions that Dale did not want us to know....why did we have the same treasurer(s) for years?? why is Dale still in charge of the Daycare and where do the monies from the Daycare go?? when have we had an independant audit of the church and the daycare.. not by anyone sitting on council or a member of this church?? Has anyone ever noticed that the yearly budget does't balance.. do we even know what the line items listed under salaries and taxes and fdic are and to whom they belong?? what are the job discriptions of these highly payed individuals and is it justified? Why is it that the same family members are chairmen of the salary review?? Who gave the tyhe right to give Dale a $74,000.00 severence pay without aslking the congregation for a vote on that kind of money?????Was this severance pay to be used to pay for his defence? Why is it any question asked of the council is always viewed as we are challenging their authority?? Who do we go to if we have a complaint or a question when all of counil seems to be against anyone who disagrees with them?? Why do we still have investments with Giffin Investments when we have Investment companies here in Youngstown who could handle our portfolio!!! And above all else where were the long term council members when the years of allegations were being made and couldn't these men and women connect the dots and see that there was a pattern and either find Dale help or report to the synid that he was out of control???? Or was it easier for some of you to go with Dale to strip clubs... how irresponsible!!!! Members of Zion are looking at council, at the financial and salary review committes and asking that they sit down and answer the questions that really need to be answered befor we have a shot at re-building the church... there can't be business as usual and transparency in ALL areas of the church are needed and we the members of Zion who are asked each and every year to step up our financial giving to the church are no longer going to sit silently by ! Give us a Christ centered church and no more greedy CEO's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 28, 2009 at 1:24 p.m.