Why would anyone insist on restricting other's freedoms over something that had absolutely no affect whatsoever on their own life? I'm really surprised at how close this poll is.
I'm not at all suprised that you claim all wrong doing by the union to be lies. And, quite frankly, I couldn't care less. Luckily, after about a week of the union taking pictures and video of us we decided to do the same and have some of their antics on tape. This, by the way, is how we were able to file a complaint against them (so obviously the cops didn't like what they saw either), and yet, for how many times they've taken pictures/video of us they've still had nothing to show for it.
Having learned from how the union reacted to posted pictures of them in the past, I know that it's not worth my time to put them up. However, if you'd like to tell me who you are I'd be more than happy to come to you and show them. But, I'm gonna guess you'll follow the lead of the rest of your union buddies and refuse to divulge any information.
I enjoyed your post telling me to ask the picketers if they were in the union or not. You already know that we have and that they refuse to tell us their names, where the work, or what position they are in. And this is even despite the fact that we are more than willing to share with them. Why is it that the union needs to stay so anonymous, anyway?
She didn't need to tell them because we told her that we would let them know what was going on. And as I said before, they completely blew us off and had no interest in what the woman was going through. To say that we cause a scene just isn't true. We stand with signs...the same things the union picketers do. Its only because WE GET SUPPORT that a scene is caused. And just as the union cannot control the general public on their side, neither can we.
You're right that the picket captain had said to stop a certain person from coming and bothering us...and for the remainder of that week it worked. Yesterday, however, that same person was right back over there standing with the captain as they showed pictures they'd taken of us to eachother while gesturing and laughing. It certainly is a step up from what has happened in the past, but still unnecessary & juvenile.
As for the past actions of the union picketers, regardless of whether you'd like everyone to believe it or not (as i'm quite positive you are either a union picketer or someone very close to them) there have been two complaints filed against them to the police for what they've done...one of which was not even filed by our picketers.
Most of the conflict has ceased since they moved the prime offenders to picket during the morning. I hardly see why they would have moved someone who was there every evening to be there in the mornings all of a sudden if they weren't fully aware of what had happened.
You are very right, lastmanout....I do have weak convinctions. This is why I take personal time out of my day after I get home from work to go stand outside with signs and show support for something I believe in. I hope you can sense the sarcasm. And yes, some of those picketers ARE union members, but others are also retirees and people that have been laid off from other jobs that have been recruited to stand with signs for something they have no person ties to and could really care less about.
A lady that was visiting from Texas came to us and told us that her son had just died and she really wanted to just lay down and asked that we stop for the day. And we immediately did. In fact, we even stopped for the following day as well out of respect for her situation. To say that she "pleaded" is a bit unfounded, however, because there was no need. Because unlike the union picketers (who roller their eyes and turned away from us when we tried to tell them what the lady had said), we DO care about the people in this community. That is exactly why we are there trying to help the local economy by keeping our local businesses open.
The union picketers may not have cursed but they do threaten us with violence, have friends that don't picket come and harass us and have even sexually harassed some of the girls in our group (and that goes for the union picketers and their friends). So as for the foul language, you are absolutely right that there have been a few occasions where that has happened after we've been provoked. And everytime the rest of the group puts that person in check. It doesn't make it right, but I would like you to know that we are aware that we shouldn't be doing that and are making an effort to stop our short-fused friends.
To say that the immediate community doesn't support us is just not true. We have people that live in the nearby houses come down and praise us for what we're doing. Some of them do say that they can hear the honking from their house, but never have they been upset about it. In fact, they think it's great. If there are people that are bothered by it they have never come to us.
I am one of the Pro-Nemenz picketers and would like to say that Henry Nemenz did NOT in any way, shape, or form ask us to come to his store and picket. Is it free advertisement? Absolutely! But Nemenz wasn't behind it. We originally started picketing simply because we were sick of seeing the union picketers there. I shop at Nemenz and I was sick of getting dirty looks and being made to feel guilty everytime I pulled in the parking lot. The employees at the store have come out and thanked us for what we're doing. They did vote on whether or not to have a union...and they voted NO! If it were the employees out picketing for the union then we wouldn't be there. Instead, it's people hired by the union (some of which don't even belong to the union) to bully the store into either doing what they want or closing down. The union wants more dues...and for what? To pay more people to picket at more non-union stores? It's rediculous. The union can keep saying they aren't trying to shut the store down, but are you really dumb enough to believe them? They're signs clearly say "Don't Shop Nemenz" right on them. If people were to actually do that, what do you think is gonna happen? Exactly what happened in Hubbard!
We picketers are NOT anti-union....we simply recognize that the valley can use all the jobs it can get. And if the workers would rather work without a union, they have that right.
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Why would anyone insist on restricting other's freedoms over something that had absolutely no affect whatsoever on their own life? I'm really surprised at how close this poll is.
May 10, 2012 at 7:26 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Nemenz supporters turn tables on pickets
lastmanout:
I'm not at all suprised that you claim all wrong doing by the union to be lies. And, quite frankly, I couldn't care less. Luckily, after about a week of the union taking pictures and video of us we decided to do the same and have some of their antics on tape. This, by the way, is how we were able to file a complaint against them (so obviously the cops didn't like what they saw either), and yet, for how many times they've taken pictures/video of us they've still had nothing to show for it.
Having learned from how the union reacted to posted pictures of them in the past, I know that it's not worth my time to put them up. However, if you'd like to tell me who you are I'd be more than happy to come to you and show them. But, I'm gonna guess you'll follow the lead of the rest of your union buddies and refuse to divulge any information.
I enjoyed your post telling me to ask the picketers if they were in the union or not. You already know that we have and that they refuse to tell us their names, where the work, or what position they are in. And this is even despite the fact that we are more than willing to share with them. Why is it that the union needs to stay so anonymous, anyway?
September 8, 2009 at 5:46 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Nemenz supporters turn tables on pickets
She didn't need to tell them because we told her that we would let them know what was going on. And as I said before, they completely blew us off and had no interest in what the woman was going through. To say that we cause a scene just isn't true. We stand with signs...the same things the union picketers do. Its only because WE GET SUPPORT that a scene is caused. And just as the union cannot control the general public on their side, neither can we.
You're right that the picket captain had said to stop a certain person from coming and bothering us...and for the remainder of that week it worked. Yesterday, however, that same person was right back over there standing with the captain as they showed pictures they'd taken of us to eachother while gesturing and laughing. It certainly is a step up from what has happened in the past, but still unnecessary & juvenile.
As for the past actions of the union picketers, regardless of whether you'd like everyone to believe it or not (as i'm quite positive you are either a union picketer or someone very close to them) there have been two complaints filed against them to the police for what they've done...one of which was not even filed by our picketers.
Most of the conflict has ceased since they moved the prime offenders to picket during the morning. I hardly see why they would have moved someone who was there every evening to be there in the mornings all of a sudden if they weren't fully aware of what had happened.
September 4, 2009 at 1:16 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Nemenz supporters turn tables on pickets
You are very right, lastmanout....I do have weak convinctions. This is why I take personal time out of my day after I get home from work to go stand outside with signs and show support for something I believe in. I hope you can sense the sarcasm. And yes, some of those picketers ARE union members, but others are also retirees and people that have been laid off from other jobs that have been recruited to stand with signs for something they have no person ties to and could really care less about.
A lady that was visiting from Texas came to us and told us that her son had just died and she really wanted to just lay down and asked that we stop for the day. And we immediately did. In fact, we even stopped for the following day as well out of respect for her situation. To say that she "pleaded" is a bit unfounded, however, because there was no need. Because unlike the union picketers (who roller their eyes and turned away from us when we tried to tell them what the lady had said), we DO care about the people in this community. That is exactly why we are there trying to help the local economy by keeping our local businesses open.
The union picketers may not have cursed but they do threaten us with violence, have friends that don't picket come and harass us and have even sexually harassed some of the girls in our group (and that goes for the union picketers and their friends). So as for the foul language, you are absolutely right that there have been a few occasions where that has happened after we've been provoked. And everytime the rest of the group puts that person in check. It doesn't make it right, but I would like you to know that we are aware that we shouldn't be doing that and are making an effort to stop our short-fused friends.
To say that the immediate community doesn't support us is just not true. We have people that live in the nearby houses come down and praise us for what we're doing. Some of them do say that they can hear the honking from their house, but never have they been upset about it. In fact, they think it's great. If there are people that are bothered by it they have never come to us.
September 3, 2009 at 6:24 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Nemenz supporters turn tables on pickets
I am one of the Pro-Nemenz picketers and would like to say that Henry Nemenz did NOT in any way, shape, or form ask us to come to his store and picket. Is it free advertisement? Absolutely! But Nemenz wasn't behind it.
We originally started picketing simply because we were sick of seeing the union picketers there. I shop at Nemenz and I was sick of getting dirty looks and being made to feel guilty everytime I pulled in the parking lot. The employees at the store have come out and thanked us for what we're doing. They did vote on whether or not to have a union...and they voted NO! If it were the employees out picketing for the union then we wouldn't be there. Instead, it's people hired by the union (some of which don't even belong to the union) to bully the store into either doing what they want or closing down. The union wants more dues...and for what? To pay more people to picket at more non-union stores? It's rediculous.
The union can keep saying they aren't trying to shut the store down, but are you really dumb enough to believe them? They're signs clearly say "Don't Shop Nemenz" right on them. If people were to actually do that, what do you think is gonna happen? Exactly what happened in Hubbard!
We picketers are NOT anti-union....we simply recognize that the valley can use all the jobs it can get. And if the workers would rather work without a union, they have that right.
September 2, 2009 at 8:36 p.m. permalink suggest removal