Bertam, Bertram...you are so transparently laughable. You are sooooo mad that someone in federal law enforcement won't play the "maybe him" game with you that you dare them to do so under the guise of doing a public service. You're just trying to drum up some gossip to put in your little column. The dangerous thing you suggest is that anyone who has been accused or suspected of a crime...or whoever made their acquaintance...must be put on some kind of a "black list". Why not just make them wear a scarlet letter or force them undergo trial by ordeal? Let's see where real facts in a court of law lead. Your campaign of rumor, innuendo and class-warfare would be laughable, if it were not so dangerous.
One amusing side note to DeSouza's column: He referred to a "John E. Stoli" of the FBI. Having seen this agent's name published before, I know his real last name is "Stoll'. Methinks Bertram was heavily into the "Stoli" when he wrote this.
Wait a second, I know where I saw this information before. The Vindicator printed it back in November or December. This old information being regurgitated by Bertram. That's bad enough, but he completely misinterpreted it. Didn't the FBI spend a couple years investigating the defendants and take a pass? Yeah, that made Gains so mad he pitched it to the special prosecutors. I don't know why the feds sent that letter to that attorney, but my guess is they were trying to throw a scare into the defense, hoping one of the defendants would plead guilty.
johnyoung I hate to pile on, considering all the other commenters are already aware of your IGNORANCE, but you really need to stop making statements with no foundation in fact. You may not be aware of the fact that an environmental assessment has already been conducted on the property. Apparently no problems were discovered. As for cleanup responsibilities, that now falls entirely on the owner, TPOH. This was clearly a good deal for everyone, and one foolish elected official with a "sub rosa"agenda managed to kill it. Stupidity at it's finest. Pity the people who voted for this fool.
nunya...hayden...marcus.... You people are pathetic. You think yours is the only opinion that counts? You don't think I've been here before? Listen, boys, it's time to stop playing the old class-warfare game grudge game and take a cold, hard look at who's trying to manipulate this whole Oakhill situation. Read the documents and look at who's been trying to lead the witch hunt. If people are guilty of crimes, then they will be exposed in court and punished. But if there are no crimes proven, then it's time for the citizens to hold their fine elected officials to account.
The writer or writers of this editorial don't quite get it. In fact, most of the people who've commented on this issue don't get it. The judge has sealed any future filings because it is the PROSECUTORS who tried to poison the jury pool. Read their first (and only) bill of particulars filed, relating to the charges against Martin Yavorcik and Flora Cafaro. In it, the prosecutors level a despicable ad hominem accusation against other defendants, an accusation without any factual basis. Because this sniping has continued and been fed by the "must be guilty!" attitude of a certain newspaper, the judge wisely decided to cool the PR war. No evidence is being concealed. It is merely being processed by both sides in this case until the time comes to take it into court. It would be wise for everyone observing this case to look more closely and not rush to judgement.
An open letter to the feds
Bertam, Bertram...you are so transparently laughable. You are sooooo mad that someone in federal law enforcement won't play the "maybe him" game with you that you dare them to do so under the guise of doing a public service. You're just trying to drum up some gossip to put in your little column.
The dangerous thing you suggest is that anyone who has been accused or suspected of a crime...or whoever made their acquaintance...must be put on some kind of a "black list". Why not just make them wear a scarlet letter or force them undergo trial by ordeal?
Let's see where real facts in a court of law lead. Your campaign of rumor, innuendo and class-warfare would be laughable, if it were not so dangerous.
May 22, 2011 at 6:28 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Is Cafaro a target of feds?
One amusing side note to DeSouza's column: He referred to a "John E. Stoli" of the FBI. Having seen this agent's name published before, I know his real last name is "Stoll'. Methinks Bertram was heavily into the "Stoli" when he wrote this.
April 25, 2011 at 8:46 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Is Cafaro a target of feds?
Wait a second, I know where I saw this information before. The Vindicator printed it back in November or December. This old information being regurgitated by Bertram. That's bad enough, but he completely misinterpreted it. Didn't the FBI spend a couple years investigating the defendants and take a pass? Yeah, that made Gains so mad he pitched it to the special prosecutors. I don't know why the feds sent that letter to that attorney, but my guess is they were trying to throw a scare into the defense, hoping one of the defendants would plead guilty.
April 24, 2011 at 11:25 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Council in Youngstown rejects cash deal
johnyoung
I hate to pile on, considering all the other commenters are already aware of your IGNORANCE, but you really need to stop making statements with no foundation in fact. You may not be aware of the fact that an environmental assessment has already been conducted on the property. Apparently no problems were discovered. As for cleanup responsibilities, that now falls entirely on the owner, TPOH. This was clearly a good deal for everyone, and one foolish elected official with a "sub rosa"agenda managed to kill it. Stupidity at it's finest. Pity the people who voted for this fool.
April 10, 2011 at 8:18 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Locking the courthouse door is no assurance of a fair trial
nunya...hayden...marcus....
You people are pathetic. You think yours is the only opinion that counts? You don't think I've been here before? Listen, boys, it's time to stop playing the old class-warfare game grudge game and take a cold, hard look at who's trying to manipulate this whole Oakhill situation. Read the documents and look at who's been trying to lead the witch hunt. If people are guilty of crimes, then they will be exposed in court and punished. But if there are no crimes proven, then it's time for the citizens to hold their fine elected officials to account.
September 13, 2010 at 9 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Locking the courthouse door is no assurance of a fair trial
The writer or writers of this editorial don't quite get it. In fact, most of the people who've commented on this issue don't get it. The judge has sealed any future filings because it is the PROSECUTORS who tried to poison the jury pool. Read their first (and only) bill of particulars filed, relating to the charges against Martin Yavorcik and Flora Cafaro. In it, the prosecutors level a despicable ad hominem accusation against other defendants, an accusation without any factual basis. Because this sniping has continued and been fed by the "must be guilty!" attitude of a certain newspaper, the judge wisely decided to cool the PR war. No evidence is being concealed. It is merely being processed by both sides in this case until the time comes to take it into court. It would be wise for everyone observing this case to look more closely and not rush to judgement.
September 12, 2010 at 4:42 p.m. permalink suggest removal