who would have ever thought it, but i agree with both of oldmangrump's comments.
as for fleeytown, ya know, flee, i get really tired of hearing people with college educations talk as if they are superior to someone who came out of high school and immediately went to work. so for the eight years you were hidden away earning your "advanced degree" and drinking beer through a funnel, another guy was contributing to society, providing goods or services, supporting his family, paying his taxes and busting his ass.
who are you to look down your nose at anyone because you're more educated? and how dare you put a price on what another man does for his living? and after reading several of your posts, well, i have to say you sure don't write like a person with an advanced degree, hot shot.
boy, the joke would have been on them. on december 22 in my pocket i had a dollar, a nickle, a penny, a button and a linty mento. that's all that was left.
see there. after all the arguing back and forth, between the politicians in washington and us on this site, greoge w. stepped in and did the only thing he could possibly have done to stave off the worst depression in eighty years.
but there are two things i wonder. did he do it so that history will not be written about him as being in charge when the economy crumbled? and does he even believe in his own financial policies in the first place? because earlier on he said he would never do exactly what he has just done.
youngstownmom, you said, "I believe that GM needs to do some fixing before they get our money, because if they don't they will blow through that money and then be back in Washingtown begging for some more."
isn't that like telling someone who's drowning to stop first and then you'll administer cpr? they need the money now before it's too late. then they can clean house from the top and get rid of the guys who ruined things in the first place.
the american auto industry has always had the ability to run the business right. it just never had to before.
no mom, i'm still here with clean hands. but i do recall you saying that while you're not as old as me (and i'm certain that's true) you remember when the steel mills closed and youngstown survived. the fact is it didn't. it's been slowly and steadily dying ever since. half of the population left and we're still reeling from it.
i'm all for accountability from the auto industry. lord, it had come to this for the government to step in and do something about the way it's been managed.
but a failure of the area's largest employer would be devestating. even if, as oldmangrump says over and over, bankruptcy would make it come back stronger, it won't here. lost wages and families cannot be recovered.
and if he has his way and all unions were to suddenly vanish, be prepared for a workforce who makes $10 an hour, with few or no benefits--until they finally get together as one and demand fairness.
you simply cannot count on companies to treat their workers fairly and with dignity. though i'm sure it has happened--somewhere, it's the exception rather than the rule.
i've been reading these posts for a while and i'm constantly amazed by those who are actually pulling for gm to fail.
some have argued with your present hero that a gm closedown would not affect this area. youngstownmom said the steel mills closed and we're still here. well, half of us are.
someone even said if gm pulls out of the area he (or she, i don't know what sex sinthor is) would no longer have to pay $4.00 for a loaf of bread. which makes no sense whatsoever.
but the truth is, if not for gm and all those autoworkers who make way too much for doing so very little, this area would have sunk years ago. the taxes they pay and the goods and services they consume are what has kept us afloat.
and i don't need forbes magazine to tell me the community is dying. take away jobs, incomes, homes and all hope for recovery and what's left? austintown.
i'm not going to get involved in this conversation except to say who cares what consenting adults do? don't we have other more important things to occupy our minds? my god, who cares?
oh, and if anyone thinks they can change stan's mind, they have another think coming. his mind is closed to any discussion he disagrees with.
Posted on January 6 at 2:38 p.m.
who would have ever thought it, but i agree with both of oldmangrump's comments.
as for fleeytown, ya know, flee, i get really tired of hearing people with college educations talk as if they are superior to someone who came out of high school and immediately went to work. so for the eight years you were hidden away earning your "advanced degree" and drinking beer through a funnel, another guy was contributing to society, providing goods or services, supporting his family, paying his taxes and busting his ass.
who are you to look down your nose at anyone because you're more educated? and how dare you put a price on what another man does for his living? and after reading several of your posts, well, i have to say you sure don't write like a person with an advanced degree, hot shot.
Posted on December 29 at 1:24 p.m.
marc dann was the ohio state attorney general not the youngstown attorney general. so more than just the people of youngstown voted for him.
and your advice to "get outta youngstown fast" is sound. if a city is dying, everyone should do their little part and leave.
i bet i'm not the only one who's glad you're an ex-youngstowner.
oh, and i looked up the definition of insanity. you were wrong there too.
Posted on December 28 at 4:36 p.m.
xytown: i'm curious. how do you know what "the majority" of youngstowners thinks? have you asked them? and why did you use quotes?
Posted on December 27 at 12:38 p.m.
boy, the joke would have been on them. on december 22 in my pocket i had a dollar, a nickle, a penny, a button and a linty mento. that's all that was left.
Posted on December 19 at 11:09 a.m.
see there. after all the arguing back and forth, between the politicians in washington and us on this site, greoge w. stepped in and did the only thing he could possibly have done to stave off the worst depression in eighty years.
but there are two things i wonder. did he do it so that history will not be written about him as being in charge when the economy crumbled? and does he even believe in his own financial policies in the first place? because earlier on he said he would never do exactly what he has just done.
either way, i'm glad.
Posted on December 15 at 2:42 p.m.
so if gmac goes belly up, does that mean i don't have to pay of my car? hmmm.
Posted on December 11 at 11:51 a.m.
youngstownmom, you said, "I believe that GM needs to do some fixing before they get our money, because if they don't they will blow through that money and then be back in Washingtown begging for some more."
isn't that like telling someone who's drowning to stop first and then you'll administer cpr? they need the money now before it's too late. then they can clean house from the top and get rid of the guys who ruined things in the first place.
the american auto industry has always had the ability to run the business right. it just never had to before.
Posted on December 11 at 4 a.m.
no mom, i'm still here with clean hands. but i do recall you saying that while you're not as old as me (and i'm certain that's true) you remember when the steel mills closed and youngstown survived. the fact is it didn't. it's been slowly and steadily dying ever since. half of the population left and we're still reeling from it.
i'm all for accountability from the auto industry. lord, it had come to this for the government to step in and do something about the way it's been managed.
but a failure of the area's largest employer would be devestating. even if, as oldmangrump says over and over, bankruptcy would make it come back stronger, it won't here. lost wages and families cannot be recovered.
and if he has his way and all unions were to suddenly vanish, be prepared for a workforce who makes $10 an hour, with few or no benefits--until they finally get together as one and demand fairness.
you simply cannot count on companies to treat their workers fairly and with dignity. though i'm sure it has happened--somewhere, it's the exception rather than the rule.
Posted on December 10 at 10:13 a.m.
i've been reading these posts for a while and i'm constantly amazed by those who are actually pulling for gm to fail.
some have argued with your present hero that a gm closedown would not affect this area. youngstownmom said the steel mills closed and we're still here. well, half of us are.
someone even said if gm pulls out of the area he (or she, i don't know what sex sinthor is) would no longer have to pay $4.00 for a loaf of bread. which makes no sense whatsoever.
but the truth is, if not for gm and all those autoworkers who make way too much for doing so very little, this area would have sunk years ago. the taxes they pay and the goods and services they consume are what has kept us afloat.
and i don't need forbes magazine to tell me the community is dying. take away jobs, incomes, homes and all hope for recovery and what's left? austintown.
Posted on December 8 at 3:25 a.m.
i'm not going to get involved in this conversation except to say who cares what consenting adults do? don't we have other more important things to occupy our minds? my god, who cares?
oh, and if anyone thinks they can change stan's mind, they have another think coming. his mind is closed to any discussion he disagrees with.
stan, who cares?