I don't mean to speak for Walter and Soviets, but I do struggle to understand where they are coming from, so here's how we seemed to have jumped the tracks:
Soviets fancies himself some sort of libertarian tea bagger who wants to do away with all taxes, presumably because he thinks, constitutional scholar that he is, that the Constitution forbids Federal income tax, which funds programs that make people lazy.
Both these fellows believe anyone who gets any assistance from the government is a leech, slurping away at the public trough; rich corporation and wealthy individuals are excluded from this characterization, though, because they are considered "job creators," in that they create jobs out of thin air, regardless, I guess, of whether or not there is any demand for the goods and services they create the jobs for. It seems that Walter and Soviets also believe rich folks and wealthy corporations should be exempt from taxes, since they perform this invaluable public service of creating jobs; Walter and Soviets have no explanation for the chronically high unemployment rate, though, except that it's Obama's fault, like everything else.
There. That's my understanding of it.
January 28, 2015 at 10:58 a.m.
What is desperately needed is for buffoons like you two to get off Faux "News."
We're all so very proud of the way you two worked so hard without any help to get where you are today.
Nice of you, especially, Walter, to get what you got without any government assistance -- no educational grants, no educational loans, no educational financial aid of any kind, never a government handout or tax credit or loophole or a single cent of public assistance! And an engineer to boot! That's an accomplishment that should swell you up with pride!
You, Walter, and Soviets, are models for every red-blooded American who wants to pick himself up by his bootstraps and make something of himself with no assistance from anybody!
Well done! Jolly good show!
See that, all you poor people out there? Take care of your own self, like Soviets and Walter! They never took a government handout, ever! And look at them now!
They have every right to begrudge all your poor folks your food stamps, and your welfare, and your college loans, and your federal grants and your scholarships, because they did it all by themselves, and everyone who knows them will attest to that!
(Of course, they can say whatever they want here, on this forum, and never have to substantiate any of it, because they are, you see, totally anonymous, and if their claims serve their purpose -- i.e., the eradication of all government assistance (which is what I take "Getting government out of the way" to mean) -- well that's good for them, too.
But we'll never know whether Walter and Soviets did it all by themselves, will we?
So flame on, you two flamers, and we'll all be impressed and enlightened by your success born of self-reliance.
January 27, 2015 at 11:09 p.m.
The so-called "free stuff" the government gives people benefits us all.
All of us.
We all benefit from having a healthy, educated population. All of us.
We all benefit from the fact that we, collectively, through our government, take care of those who cannot take care of themselves.
We all benefit from our system of public, common schools, and from our institutions of higher learning.
And we would all, all of us, benefit from raising the bar of higher learning by collectively, through our collective spending, building a better educated population.
We can find away to spend untold countless billions of dollars to blow stuff up and slaughter people half-way around the world; that needs to stop, and we need to spend those billions on ourselves, as a people, in improving the lives of Americans.
This country COULD be as great as it THINKS it is; but it will take some effort.
Encouraging higher learning is a good place to start and a good place to put our money.
January 27, 2015 at 12:34 p.m.
The Youngstown Diocese has been closing schools and churches for years, particularly in poor, blighted areas, exactly where the Church needs to be!
Examples of Church presence in communities abandoned by the rest of society are few and far between -- St. Pat's, smack dab in the middle of the Oak Hill neighborhood comes to mind, in contrast to the SW side of Warren, which was all but abandoned by the Church when Christ Our King closed.
The Church needs to undergo a total spiritual self-assessment of it's values and mission, before it experiences a total contraction into oblivious irrelevance, surviving to function merely as an archaic "period piece," a living museum that reminds us of days gone by and promises unfulfilled.
January 27, 2015 at 12:22 p.m.
Stock prices have more than doubled and corporate profits are up at least 178% since Obama took office, and yet we can't afford to fund the institutions of higher learning that made this state great?
Let's simply reinstate the disastrous Bush tax cuts (which contributed to the debacle of the Bush Recession) and see where that takes us.
Ohio's institutions of higher education are one of its greatest resources; we should protect and nurture that resource, and more protection and nurturing should come from those corporations and individuals who have benefitted the most from the intellectual and technological advances achieved within and among our universities and colleges.
Come on, Governor! Higher education needs more support! Not less!
YOU need to do YOUR job!
January 27, 2015 at 12:03 p.m.
"Please don't cite things such as capital gains tax rates or deductions. Both of those are available to any tax payer."
Let us not for get that this is America where anyone -- ANYONE -- can become a billionaire if they just pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and apply their nose firmly to the grindstone.
You CAN do it! It's America!
With hard work, grit, elbow grease, a positive attitude, the grace of God, a little luck, clean living, one or two insider tips, a fat windfall legacy from a spinster great-Aunt, maybe a couple of friends in high places, whatever!
You can do it!
In America, everybody gets an equal chance! As the poet said, the law, in its infinite majesty, forbids the rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges!
In the land of the free and the home of the brave, everyone has a shot at crafting legislation favorable to his (or her) particular business interests, and then financing the campaign of a senator or congressman who will sponsor the legislation!
The poor as well as the rich can use their money to buy elections! Citizens United says so!
So quit yer beechin' and git ta work! Time's a wastin', and time, as the rich fellow said, is money!
There's a pony somewhere in that pile 'a poop!
January 27, 2015 at 11:46 a.m.
"For example, if they want to handout free college then they can reduce the food stamp program by a corresponding amount and then knock themselves out."
Maybe you're on to something, Soviets!
Except, we will take back the corporate welfare (which has done NOTHING to "create jobs" anyway), and cover 2 years of FREE junior college tuition!
Then college will be FREE AT LAST!
O r something like that . . . .
January 26, 2015 at 7:22 p.m.
By the way (again), jobs are created by the demand created by all of us, rich and poor alike.
Nobody gives anyone a job that wasn't made necessary by the demand for some goods or services.
January 24, 2015 at 12:01 a.m.
By the way, the fantasies that the rich earn every penny, that the poor are lazy and undeserving, and that anyone who works hard can expect to be rewarded with riches are demonstrably false.
Plenty of people work plenty hard all their lives and never own a professional sports team.
January 23, 2015 at 11:57 p.m.
I don't know if anyone deserves anything they get, but that's not the issue, and you know it.
You are very well aware that I have a problem with rich individuals and big corporations not being required to pay federal income taxes, and even being given money by the government!
Why, for example, is income from so-called "capital gains" taxed at the rate of 15%? (That's a totally rhetorical question -- income is income, regardless of its genesis. And if you have income taxes, they should cover all income.)
As far as that silly notion goes -- the one that says taxes are a disincentive to work -- I seriously can't imagine someone saying " I don't think I'll bother making an extra million or two (or ten, or a hundred) this year because I'll have to pay more taxes."
Seriously? In what fantasy bubble does that even make sense?
So, no, to answer your question. I don't begrudge rich people and wealthy corporations their riches; just quit leeching off the rest of us and pay your share! That's all! Simple as that!
January 23, 2015 at 11:45 p.m.