“We’re throwing people out on the streets so [banks] can make a profit". No, they are being thrown out because they stopped paying and didn't work with the bank to make alternate arrangments. These "occupiers" would do the same thing if they lent money to someone who stopped paying.
Geromajor, no one doubts that unions HAD their place in society. Their place now is pretty much a fundraising arm of the Democrat party through forced dues.
As far as the southern businesses, you may want to take a trip south so you can learn a thing or two. Go visit the BMW plant in Greer, SC or the Kia plant in West Point, GA and tell me things are worse there. Heck, go to the Toyota plant outside Columbus. Do you see any of those workers clammering for unionization or walking around with their hands cut off?
Try telling us what unions are doing for workers and society TODAY and not 70 years ago when the movement was completely different. (I'll give you a hint - they are loosing jobs that were once occupied by middle class Americans).
Attis, if what you say is true, then the south and west, where there are no unions, would look like a third world country. Instead, the south and the west have been the fastest growing, most vibrant economies in the country with a strong middle class. Even in the Great Recession, these areas have grown and the middle class is strong, growing and upwardly mobile.
Youngstown is an example of unions running unchecked and wild. Just like Detroit, Camden, Gary, and other union towns, the unions would shut the city down to get what they want regardless of the long term effects. Youngstown is the poster child of the long term effects of greedy unionism. Youngstown does not need more of the same thing.
The problem with Joe Hill's argument is that not very many people are "mourning" the loss of unions. If anything, we are organizing against the union movement. And with 9% nationwide unemployment, that's a good thing.
faith, the unions are a monopoly for those who are required to join them or lose their jobs if they don't. Do you think that's fair? Working people, for the most part, can take care of themselves and don't need someone to "negotiate" for them. That is why union membership is as low as it is. Regarding union lies, plenty to mention, but the line about that workers cannot talk to their boss about certain things is a total lie. That firefighters can't complain about needed equipment is a total lie. Read the law yourself and find out who's lying to you.
Like I've said, unions only thrive when competition is limited to protect them, like in the public sector. It's NOT an American value to give people less options, but there are some that think we should just so unions can survive. If unions want to survive, they need to compete for the workers' dues, not force dues from them. But union leaders for the most part are Socialists at best and don't understand this (or care to understand it).
Issue 2 is important because it takes away the monopoly power of the public sector unions. Look at the scare tactics the unions have used. Do you think they should lie to people for their own selfish economic gains (with YOUR money)? Send the union bosses a message on Tuesday!
Average: Politicians don't create jobs, they create an environment that helps to create jobs... low corporate taxes, incentives for hiring and reinvestment, limited regulation, strong schools to develop the workforce, and limited union presence. We have not had that environment in a long time in the U.S. and I don't think ever in Youngstown. The unions run wild because the people and the politicians allow it. The vast majority of Ohioans, in any poll you look at, favor right to work legislation. This would make unions earn their members instead of mandating them to join or loose their job. That legislation alone would solve the union greed issue, and take politics out of the union movement, while still giving workers the protections they need. Not to mention that giving workers a choice is the right thing to do. So yes, the politicians can create jobs.
It is funny how some here blame Republicans for poverty in Youngstown. A Republican has not been elected in Youngstown since the 1970's. Times were good under Bush for most the U.S. Obama has had three years and things only seem to get worse. Yet Republicans are to blame, even though Democrats had complete control of government for two of those three years. Youngstown's repeated "doubling down" on Democrats have backfired. Yet most of these people are going to double down on unions and vote against Issue 2, and think things will change by doing the same old thing. And of course they will blame the Republicans when cities and townships have to layoff teachers, firefighters and police to balance their budget, even though there is not a Republican in sight. The Republicans tried to find a solution, the dumb masses want the status quo, yet expect a different result.
AnotherAverageCitizen, I am not sure who specifically you are talking about, but I'll take you at your word. Although we both know Republicans and Democrats alike do the very same thing, give sweetheart deals to their cronies. It is wrong when both do it. But I think this issue is being used just to get more people angry at Kasich so they will vote against SB5. Union bosses are the biggest Democrat cronies who get major sweetheart deals like preferred stock in GM when other investors lost everything. Not a lot of people on the left complaining about that. If you've lived in the Mahoning Valley for more than a few years you can site tons of examples of Democrats paying off cronies.
AnotherAverageCitizen: so I wonder how the public employees that work for Kasich got a raise without the help of a union. Gee, maybe unions really are not needed. Maybe there are other ways to get what you want. I know, radical thinking.
Occupy Youngstown rallies to promote use of land banks
“We’re throwing people out on the streets so [banks] can make a profit". No, they are being thrown out because they stopped paying and didn't work with the bank to make alternate arrangments. These "occupiers" would do the same thing if they lent money to someone who stopped paying.
May 23, 2012 at 8:28 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Former YSU union treasurer pleads guilty
Glad to be union free.
February 22, 2012 at 10:21 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Once a union metropolis, Valley sees that title fade
Geromajor, no one doubts that unions HAD their place in society. Their place now is pretty much a fundraising arm of the Democrat party through forced dues.
As far as the southern businesses, you may want to take a trip south so you can learn a thing or two. Go visit the BMW plant in Greer, SC or the Kia plant in West Point, GA and tell me things are worse there. Heck, go to the Toyota plant outside Columbus. Do you see any of those workers clammering for unionization or walking around with their hands cut off?
Try telling us what unions are doing for workers and society TODAY and not 70 years ago when the movement was completely different. (I'll give you a hint - they are loosing jobs that were once occupied by middle class Americans).
November 6, 2011 at 4:35 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Once a union metropolis, Valley sees that title fade
Attis, if what you say is true, then the south and west, where there are no unions, would look like a third world country. Instead, the south and the west have been the fastest growing, most vibrant economies in the country with a strong middle class. Even in the Great Recession, these areas have grown and the middle class is strong, growing and upwardly mobile.
Youngstown is an example of unions running unchecked and wild. Just like Detroit, Camden, Gary, and other union towns, the unions would shut the city down to get what they want regardless of the long term effects. Youngstown is the poster child of the long term effects of greedy unionism. Youngstown does not need more of the same thing.
The problem with Joe Hill's argument is that not very many people are "mourning" the loss of unions. If anything, we are organizing against the union movement. And with 9% nationwide unemployment, that's a good thing.
November 6, 2011 at 10:22 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Once a union metropolis, Valley sees that title fade
faith, the unions are a monopoly for those who are required to join them or lose their jobs if they don't. Do you think that's fair? Working people, for the most part, can take care of themselves and don't need someone to "negotiate" for them. That is why union membership is as low as it is. Regarding union lies, plenty to mention, but the line about that workers cannot talk to their boss about certain things is a total lie. That firefighters can't complain about needed equipment is a total lie. Read the law yourself and find out who's lying to you.
November 6, 2011 at 9:14 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Once a union metropolis, Valley sees that title fade
Like I've said, unions only thrive when competition is limited to protect them, like in the public sector. It's NOT an American value to give people less options, but there are some that think we should just so unions can survive. If unions want to survive, they need to compete for the workers' dues, not force dues from them. But union leaders for the most part are Socialists at best and don't understand this (or care to understand it).
Issue 2 is important because it takes away the monopoly power of the public sector unions. Look at the scare tactics the unions have used. Do you think they should lie to people for their own selfish economic gains (with YOUR money)? Send the union bosses a message on Tuesday!
November 6, 2011 at 7:59 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Youngstown leads nation with poverty rate of 49.7%
Average: Politicians don't create jobs, they create an environment that helps to create jobs... low corporate taxes, incentives for hiring and reinvestment, limited regulation, strong schools to develop the workforce, and limited union presence. We have not had that environment in a long time in the U.S. and I don't think ever in Youngstown. The unions run wild because the people and the politicians allow it. The vast majority of Ohioans, in any poll you look at, favor right to work legislation. This would make unions earn their members instead of mandating them to join or loose their job. That legislation alone would solve the union greed issue, and take politics out of the union movement, while still giving workers the protections they need. Not to mention that giving workers a choice is the right thing to do. So yes, the politicians can create jobs.
November 3, 2011 at 9:49 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Youngstown leads nation with poverty rate of 49.7%
It is funny how some here blame Republicans for poverty in Youngstown. A Republican has not been elected in Youngstown since the 1970's. Times were good under Bush for most the U.S. Obama has had three years and things only seem to get worse. Yet Republicans are to blame, even though Democrats had complete control of government for two of those three years. Youngstown's repeated "doubling down" on Democrats have backfired. Yet most of these people are going to double down on unions and vote against Issue 2, and think things will change by doing the same old thing. And of course they will blame the Republicans when cities and townships have to layoff teachers, firefighters and police to balance their budget, even though there is not a Republican in sight. The Republicans tried to find a solution, the dumb masses want the status quo, yet expect a different result.
November 3, 2011 at 8:31 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Which side in SB 5 argument has best pay deal?
AnotherAverageCitizen, I am not sure who specifically you are talking about, but I'll take you at your word. Although we both know Republicans and Democrats alike do the very same thing, give sweetheart deals to their cronies. It is wrong when both do it. But I think this issue is being used just to get more people angry at Kasich so they will vote against SB5. Union bosses are the biggest Democrat cronies who get major sweetheart deals like preferred stock in GM when other investors lost everything. Not a lot of people on the left complaining about that. If you've lived in the Mahoning Valley for more than a few years you can site tons of examples of Democrats paying off cronies.
October 26, 2011 at 12:57 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Which side in SB 5 argument has best pay deal?
AnotherAverageCitizen: so I wonder how the public employees that work for Kasich got a raise without the help of a union. Gee, maybe unions really are not needed. Maybe there are other ways to get what you want. I know, radical thinking.
October 26, 2011 at 11:49 a.m. permalink suggest removal