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first off, superstar, dont make this a union issue, why punish the whole lot for one guy, the union didnt make this mess, an individual with problems obviously if 13 of his coworkers are signing a letter something is wrong here.
December 23, 2011 at 9:20 a.m.
omg valley19, while i usually dont like the stuff you say, that made me laugh so hard i peed myselfactually i only dislike 40% of what you say, anyway thanks for the laugh
November 9, 2011 at 10:51 p.m.
jason and db, you talk about the levy's, thats a great point, who needs sb5 when your direct community can pass or fail a levy, next you'll acuse the fire and police of going door to door and bribing residents... levy's are thier voice, they vote yes or no, ...... its called taxation with representation. as far as us getting rich, all your morons that where pro sb5, choose to ignore the fact that most unions are taking pay freezes, have step programs to reduce costs, everyone mentions y-town. the youngstown guys make crap for ten years, your getting ten years of firefighting at a fraction of the cost. if your unhappy with your departments and how they are run, go to town meetings, council meetings etc. excersize your right to influence what you want out of your services. we are a paid and part time dept to keep costs down, we run an ambulance thats free to tax payers, we do our own chores, fix our own stations if its in a realm of abilities. we do all this to save money and give value to the taxpayers. they voted yes on our renewal, and we dont plan on putting on any new levies, so there unionforever and db and jasininohio, stick that in your 401k and smoke it
November 9, 2011 at 10:11 a.m.
unionfornever your a toad, there are no layoffs planned in y-town, you still cant give up the rhetoric, but do us all a favor, dont ever call a cop, or a fireman and homeschool your kids, that way you wont be a hypocrite to your ideals
November 9, 2011 at 5:51 a.m.
vote no issue two, i really hope it goes down by at least a 25% margin so we can shut up these blowhards, again pro people, tell me how much you pay for your police and fire in your taxes, over and over, bloated wages, bloated benifits. horsecrap, its a 5 to 1 ratio on the web stating that public makes more, the only people stating private is making less is run by the sb5, independant studies show equal education equals private making more. period, rebublican liers, just like the shady tactics to get the bill thru in the beginning of the year, you coninue with the lies, i pay less than 400 bucks for police and fire a year on a 100000 dollar house in the suburbs, not y-town, not bad, i'd keep paying that, its a great service. your all mad cause we actually make a good living, guess what i drive cars that are at least 7 years old, i turn the heat down, i pay for my health care and retirement, you may pay more or you may pay less, i'm 10 and 10 %, dont have as good as gm, but i'm not crying to the govt to ruin thier benifits. get bent, so tired of your rhetoric, i serve my community with pride, do a quality job, and generally care about people, not just myself. you should try it. i know, i know your gonna say, if you care you'll give up all your nice cushy benefits......... so i'm only a firemedic i should live in squaller, well, i see it differently, i hope most of ohio does to
November 8, 2011 at 5:54 p.m.
well said uptown
November 8, 2011 at 5:36 p.m.
i notice that unionforever has nothing to say for a change, he usually doesnt have anything to say when asked for real numbers on taxes and such, union forever should be union never, vote no on issue 2
November 8, 2011 at 7:36 a.m.
hey biker the pro sb5 people spent more than twice the money the dems did, are you that uninformed, or just trying to spin more rhetoric, 19mill the rebs spent vs the 7.something that the dems spent. the ignorance of pro 5 people kill me, from rushing the bill thru in the first place, to manipulating the people who got it thru the first time, to calling it issue 2 to confuse the public, for taking a chainsaw to unions when a scalpel is needed. to drowing so much crap into a 300 page legaleze document to choke out the avg person without a law degree can figure out. shame on you, unions are not perfect and there is some room for improvement, but we are not the monsters that we are made out to be. ive already stated in multiple posts about all the consessions we've taken so i wont repeat myself. pro 5 people are not intersted in facts anyway
November 6, 2011 at 6:21 p.m.
i love the final whining statements of the prosb5 people, if it fails our taxes and levy's will go thru the roof, vote yes, blah blah blah, i've been mostly ignored on here when i ask them what they actually think fire and police cost them a year. i've said in my previous post's what i pay a year for police and fire, they claim taxes taxes taxes, well put up or shut up, tell me how much you pay now, i'm guessing you never bothered to even find out, you just spew your party rhetoric, this has been one of the better threads, i'm a union worker and i see some need for reforms, as well as some need for political reforms. the rebubs spent 19 million directly on yes gargage, and that doesnt include thier special interest groups like building a better ohio. there was about 5 or 6 pirvate fundraisers. the dems spent 7or 8 mill, with we are ohio and a few others providing support. not near the cash of the rebublicans. boy instead of worrying about all the taxes, maybe you shoulda saved that cash and paid your much lower taxes. you want slaves to push around in this state. you cant strike, you cant have arbitration, you'll take what we give you and like it lazy union employee, well remember the last big tea party we had when a power hungry govt decided to tell us what to do. get rid of middle class keep yourself super wealthy, see what happens. you want to reset the clock back to the late 1800's again when we worked like slaves while the captians of industry smoked their cigars and drank thier brandy and laughed at all the poor, you should be ashamed of yourselves
November 6, 2011 at 6:11 p.m.
all home rule does for liberty is guarantee that we have to have an administrator, i havent seen houses getting cleaned up, etc etc, biggest waste of time ever.
November 4, 2011 at 10:19 a.m.