Well. For all of you who argued with me back in May or June that Dale Giffin would never do such a thing: Do you feel comfortable saying that now? I told you all that the truth would come out eventually. Dale has truly admitted his guilt and has gotten away with a slap on the wrist. He chose to resign from the ECLA when he was asked to resign from Zion. He knew then that he would never preach again. Too many people were going to testify against him, i.e. Pastor Mark Williams and his wife Janine. I recall others bringing Mark up in past blogs. Now we know why he left the church.
Thus, no trial or jury because Dale knew he was done. It is over. I pray for his family and for those that have been affected by his actions. He stated that "his life is ruined". Really? He did it to himself and has no one else to blame for his actions. He is his own worst enemy.
I don't see any of you nay sayers in this blog now. You were real quick to come to his defense back in May/June. Do you still stand up for him now?
Ya, poor him. He admits his guilt by cutting a deal then says his life is ruined. Right. He ruined his life by his actions. Did he ever think once that his actions would have serious consequences? Apparently not, or he wouldn't have done what he did. Did he ever think for a second of the parishioners of his church? No. He thought of noone but himself and how invincible he was. Karma always comes back on you.
Well. For all of you who argued with me back in May or June that Dale Giffin would never do such a thing: Do you feel comfortable saying that now? I told you all that the truth would come out eventually. Dale has truly admitted his guilt and has gotten away with a slap on the wrist. He chose to resign from the ECLA when he was asked to resign from Zion. He knew then that he would never preach again. Too many people were going to testify against him, i.e. Pastor Mark Williams and his wife Janine. I recall others bringing Mark up in past blogs. Now we know why he left the church.
Thus, no trial or jury because Dale knew he was done. It is over. I pray for his family and for those that have been affected by his actions. He stated that "his life is ruined". Really? He did it to himself and has no one else to blame for his actions. He is his own worst enemy.
To all you of you so naive and closed minded: Do you not realize that the church is $2 million dollars in debt?? Tell me why that is and WHY Dale Giffin has told others and council tells others that it is due construction costs for the additions that were added onto the church MANY years ago. Seriously? My grandmother doesn't even believe that! Which is now causing her great distress in thinking that it is even remotely possible that Dale Giffin is capable of doing what he did. It is very hard to put your trust into someone for so many years and then have them come and rip your heart out in an instant. But it happens. It happens EVERYDAY.
And to all of you asking, I'll ask again with you: Why DID Pastor Mark leave? Why DID Chuck leave? (Anyone??)
YGIRL: So glad to know that there is someone else out there that is not naive to the practices of Dale at Zion. And THANK YOU for confirming your point about meeting with him personally before getting confirmed. I specifically remember having to meet with him personally, one on one, regarding whether or not we were ready to be confirmed, our bible verse for confirmation, etc. Also, we must have been at the same retreat with the spin the bottle game. When you look back on it now, not exactly what anyone would want their child to play at Camp Mowana with their church group, is it?
I'm not familiar with all of the other practices with council since I have been out of Zion for years BUT I do know personalloy who the Day Care director is that left the position and I can only guess why she left.
Regardless: All WE can do is hope for the best for everyone involved and that does include the congregation. Just the two of us going back and forth could not compare to the thousands of the church that have their own opinions as well. I respect your opinions and your beliefs. Because of the congregation, the people of Zion, the church will survive and it will go on. Everyone will probably take away something from this mess.
bee1012: And as I stated, you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. You are apparently very closed minded and cannot see both sides of the story.
IF you had the misfortune of experiencing the uncomfortable experiences that I had, you might open your eyes. But, clearly that is impossible for you to even imagine. Not that it is any of your business, but I have spoken to my family and my friends and you would be surprised to hear some of their words.
There is no "trolling" for dirt (aren't you witty). I am afraid to see if I do know who the other accusers are, to know that I could have been one of them. I have my right to say what I feel about this ex-Pastor Giffin. As you do yours. I have said nothing nasty or untrue of him. I have spoken the truth. There is no Hit that was taken on justice today. It was a positive for the victims.
Again, you have your beliefs and your experiences and I have mine. I wish mine could be as pleasant as yours are of your experiences with Pastor Dale. Good for you. I do not care to go back and forth with you, you questioning ME. You do not know me as I do not know you. One thing is certain: These things should not be locked up inside someone so that another person, especially a man of God, can go on living life as though nothing ever happened. It will go to trial, more findings will come out at trial and a jury will judge his future. All of your friends must share the same opinion as you, especially those of the church. Or does everyone in the congregation at Zion share your views 100%? I think not.
bee1012: You do not have to be so nasty! I do not live in Youngstown any longer. I CARE because I am quite certain that I know who the main accuser is. I CARE because I grew up in that church and was friends with her and am still friends with many others. I CARE because other members of my family may or may not have been exposed to actions such as the allegations being brought forth. I CARE because my religion and my beliefs all stemmed from that church AND Pastor Dale. Does that answer your questions? Is it okay to CARE???
Ex-pastor pleads to assault, gets no jail time
Well. For all of you who argued with me back in May or June that Dale Giffin would never do such a thing: Do you feel comfortable saying that now? I told you all that the truth would come out eventually. Dale has truly admitted his guilt and has gotten away with a slap on the wrist. He chose to resign from the ECLA when he was asked to resign from Zion. He knew then that he would never preach again. Too many people were going to testify against him, i.e. Pastor Mark Williams and his wife Janine. I recall others bringing Mark up in past blogs. Now we know why he left the church.
Thus, no trial or jury because Dale knew he was done. It is over. I pray for his family and for those that have been affected by his actions. He stated that "his life is ruined". Really? He did it to himself and has no one else to blame for his actions. He is his own worst enemy.
I don't see any of you nay sayers in this blog now. You were real quick to come to his defense back in May/June. Do you still stand up for him now?
November 6, 2009 at 11:09 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Ex-pastor pleads to assault, gets no jail time
Ya, poor him. He admits his guilt by cutting a deal then says his life is ruined. Right. He ruined his life by his actions. Did he ever think once that his actions would have serious consequences? Apparently not, or he wouldn't have done what he did. Did he ever think for a second of the parishioners of his church? No. He thought of noone but himself and how invincible he was. Karma always comes back on you.
November 6, 2009 at 11:04 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Dale Giffin, former pastor, cuts deal to avoid prison time on assault charges
Well. For all of you who argued with me back in May or June that Dale Giffin would never do such a thing: Do you feel comfortable saying that now? I told you all that the truth would come out eventually. Dale has truly admitted his guilt and has gotten away with a slap on the wrist. He chose to resign from the ECLA when he was asked to resign from Zion. He knew then that he would never preach again. Too many people were going to testify against him, i.e. Pastor Mark Williams and his wife Janine. I recall others bringing Mark up in past blogs. Now we know why he left the church.
Thus, no trial or jury because Dale knew he was done. It is over. I pray for his family and for those that have been affected by his actions. He stated that "his life is ruined". Really? He did it to himself and has no one else to blame for his actions. He is his own worst enemy.
November 5, 2009 at 8:32 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
Zionite- It is possible that I know you.
To all you of you so naive and closed minded: Do you not realize that the church is $2 million dollars in debt?? Tell me why that is and WHY Dale Giffin has told others and council tells others that it is due construction costs for the additions that were added onto the church MANY years ago. Seriously? My grandmother doesn't even believe that! Which is now causing her great distress in thinking that it is even remotely possible that Dale Giffin is capable of doing what he did. It is very hard to put your trust into someone for so many years and then have them come and rip your heart out in an instant. But it happens. It happens EVERYDAY.
And to all of you asking, I'll ask again with you: Why DID Pastor Mark leave? Why DID Chuck leave? (Anyone??)
March 1, 2009 at 8:36 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
YGIRL: So glad to know that there is someone else out there that is not naive to the practices of Dale at Zion. And THANK YOU for confirming your point about meeting with him personally before getting confirmed. I specifically remember having to meet with him personally, one on one, regarding whether or not we were ready to be confirmed, our bible verse for confirmation, etc. Also, we must have been at the same retreat with the spin the bottle game. When you look back on it now, not exactly what anyone would want their child to play at Camp Mowana with their church group, is it?
I'm not familiar with all of the other practices with council since I have been out of Zion for years BUT I do know personalloy who the Day Care director is that left the position and I can only guess why she left.
February 20, 2009 at 10:05 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
Regardless: All WE can do is hope for the best for everyone involved and that does include the congregation. Just the two of us going back and forth could not compare to the thousands of the church that have their own opinions as well. I respect your opinions and your beliefs. Because of the congregation, the people of Zion, the church will survive and it will go on. Everyone will probably take away something from this mess.
February 20, 2009 at 8:44 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
bee1012: And as I stated, you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. You are apparently very closed minded and cannot see both sides of the story.
IF you had the misfortune of experiencing the uncomfortable experiences that I had, you might open your eyes. But, clearly that is impossible for you to even imagine. Not that it is any of your business, but I have spoken to my family and my friends and you would be surprised to hear some of their words.
There is no "trolling" for dirt (aren't you witty). I am afraid to see if I do know who the other accusers are, to know that I could have been one of them. I have my right to say what I feel about this ex-Pastor Giffin. As you do yours. I have said nothing nasty or untrue of him. I have spoken the truth. There is no Hit that was taken on justice today. It was a positive for the victims.
Again, you have your beliefs and your experiences and I have mine. I wish mine could be as pleasant as yours are of your experiences with Pastor Dale. Good for you. I do not care to go back and forth with you, you questioning ME. You do not know me as I do not know you. One thing is certain: These things should not be locked up inside someone so that another person, especially a man of God, can go on living life as though nothing ever happened. It will go to trial, more findings will come out at trial and a jury will judge his future. All of your friends must share the same opinion as you, especially those of the church. Or does everyone in the congregation at Zion share your views 100%? I think not.
February 20, 2009 at 8:38 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
AND, BEE1012: Retreats is NOT mentioned in the online vindicator article.
February 20, 2009 at 8:12 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
bee1012: You do not have to be so nasty! I do not live in Youngstown any longer. I CARE because I am quite certain that I know who the main accuser is. I CARE because I grew up in that church and was friends with her and am still friends with many others. I CARE because other members of my family may or may not have been exposed to actions such as the allegations being brought forth. I CARE because my religion and my beliefs all stemmed from that church AND Pastor Dale. Does that answer your questions? Is it okay to CARE???
February 20, 2009 at 8:06 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
Also, do all of the accusers live out of town now? Are these women of different age groups?
February 20, 2009 at 7:49 p.m. permalink suggest removal