so we're now in the business of taking someone's personal struggles and making fun of them?
the person that made these comments is obviously a lower lifeform.
as for Robert Joki...i wasn't even IN "Reefer Madness". But I will say it, I'm Kage Coven and I'm proud to call Robert Joki friend. He's an incredibly beautiful soul. And for Rob, myself and the other members of "When I Knew..." to get up on stage and reveal very personal things to people we may not have even known takes true strength, courage and self-worth. To youngstowng2009: obviously you'd like to share your inner most demons with us on a stage....alone...with nobody to support you.
and fat comments? apparently you're still in junior high. looks like somebody didn't get the memo: we are only as adult as we present ourselves.
To the patrons,friends and volunteers of both The Oakland and Easy Street...congratulations on putting out two very different products...and doing a good job at it! You are what keeps this community alive.
To vindy.com: I would like to place a formal request that the lewd comments about Mr. Joki be removed (if not for their content: for the sheer fact that a good man's name is being dragged through the mud.)
oh, and one last thing: youngstowng2009: karma is a nasty mistress to the company we keep.
To all of the cast and crew of TITANIC- Thank you for a very good production on Saturday night and an awesome after party! I wish I could come every night! Truly well done! Can't wait to see what the next season has in store!
MONTY can't be properly laid to rest because this is a review by Mr. Paurich which is just "oozing" and "gushing" with jabs at The Oakland and its cast.
Bravo! Another job poorly done, sir. Don't spend your entire paycheck on a course is good reviewing skills now!
Why can't some people seem to attend a show, form an unbiased opinion and keep things professional?
Name-calling? Very professional. Gay, Lesbian...Transgender anything...(transgender is not a verb and therefore cannot have a past tense) who cares?
I intend to see TITANIC this weekend...why? Because it's supporting local theater. I did theater at TNT before I did theater at The Playhouse or the Oakland. I don't have a favorite. If The Playhouse put on THE FULL MONTY or The Oakland put on TITANIC...the reviews would have been terrible for either. The Playhouse has a huge facility that is nice for larger shows and casts...that's pretty much a no-brainer.
Can't people just be adults? Never...just never.
As for this discussion about MONTY, isn't the original review here about TITANIC (a completely different show entirely)?
Drop it. MONTY is over, TITANIC sank and I'm sure the musical is going to very good indeed.
Is Rob Joki the greatest director who ever lived? Maybe. Is the cast of "Monty" ready to go on tour? Probably not. Is Richard Bell's choreography in the show comparable to Fosse? No. But it's not supposed to either. If everyone walked into a community theater show and expected a million dollar budget Broadway production-- no community theater would ever make any money.
It's been said before; reviews and discussions like this (the ones that push buttons and fluff already king-sized egos unnecessarily) are probably one of the reasons that people in our community don't want to come and audition for the theaters. I've actually been timid about doing theater in the area because I was dreading being reviewed. Nobody likes to undergo massive amounts of cruel and superfluous negativity. To attain the same feeling that this reviewer gave the actor, I suggest removing all of one's clothing, standing before a full-length mirror and placing a push-pin in every area of the body that is viewed as "undesirable". That's honestly what I think the reviewer was trying to do. Sure, this show may be "a 6 due to some irredeemable flaws"...but it doesn't have to be the same way for everyone. How about we just pray that people who read the review don't just happen to have the herding mentality of a sheep.
And as for this ongoing epic saga of Youngstown Playhouse vs. The Oakland Center for the Arts; it's getting a bit old. Some of us have done theater and seen theater at both venues and don't have a bias. Shocked? I know. But a lot of people like to just stay away from both theaters because they are afraid of being forced to "choose sides". I've experienced that feeling at one place more strongly than the other, that's for sure (and I won't name names), but it's just annoying. This is NOT a war, folks.
Does anybody remember how to actually give constructive vs. destructive criticism these days? That's like, (pardon my usage of your word, Mr. Paurich) "rudimentary".
And as far as the terrible review goes, i pose a challenge to Mr. Paurich: I dare you to drop your pants (and your inhibitions) and stand on a stage in front of your family and friends, your peers, people you don't know...other reviewers...show us what YOU are made of.
Or maybe a better challenge to pose is to tell you to do something you've never done before in front of people you've never met...and with a smile on your face, much like the men of our cast.
We've shown your ours...it's time to anty up, Milan.
Are you a man, or just a coward hiding behind the almighty printed word?
Wow. I never knew that some people would stoop so low just to ruffle some feathers and fluff some egos (I'm not naming names, but it does rhyme with "Schmilan Schmourich").
To start off, I may not be an old theater veteran, but I've done my fair share of theater. I used to be a member of the theater department of YSU. Let me just say on the topic of suspension of disbelief: there sure was a lot of that going on there (though it never made it into a review).
As theatergoers (and human beings), we can decided whether or not to go to a movie or a play because of the director, the choreographer, the cast...etc, the list goes on. Having our own opinions is what makes each of us a unique individual.
One of our cast members made a good point in a discussion (that's the kind without keyboards) last night: we don't do community theater for the "raving reviews", "local celebrity" status or for the "fame and glory" that comes from doing one show-stopping musical in Youngstown, Ohio. We do it to bring even one person into the light and show them something they didn't even know existed. If doing a musical like "Monty" or "Titanic" or even "High School Musical" gets one person who lives in a 4x4 square of existence to come and see what's going on in local theater (right under their noses) then we've done our job.
Maybe everybody doesn't like a show.but maybe somebody does. One bad review isn't necessarily the product of a bad production. It could mean the reviewer is unhealthily biased, or it could mean that the production wasn't perfect. I should suppose both are correct, considering nothing is perfect.
But back to my original point; if we as actors can get one person to come and see just one show in any theater's season who doesn't hold season tickets or a YACTA card, then we are doing our jobs.
It's not about how many seats you fill or what reviewers you impress, folks. It's about how many lives you touch and how many minds you spark to some sort of thought. Instead of tearing the show, the cast and crew and the director apart, maybe this discussion board should have been asking how the show was chosen, what the process was, how the actors feel, etc. Intelligent conversation doesn't seem to go a very long way in this world anymore.
I may not be old by any standards, but I do know that we (the entire cast and crew of "Monty" and the theater community at large) put ourselves out there on the stage for our audiences. We sweat, we cry, we laugh for them. A large part of it is for ourselves, but mostly, (at least for me) it's about the people in the seats that we invite into our lives for a few hours each performance.
‘Music Man’ will delight fan base
so we're now in the business of taking someone's personal struggles and making fun of them?
the person that made these comments is obviously a lower lifeform.
as for Robert Joki...i wasn't even IN "Reefer Madness". But I will say it, I'm Kage Coven and I'm proud to call Robert Joki friend. He's an incredibly beautiful soul. And for Rob, myself and the other members of "When I Knew..." to get up on stage and reveal very personal things to people we may not have even known takes true strength, courage and self-worth. To youngstowng2009: obviously you'd like to share your inner most demons with us on a stage....alone...with nobody to support you.
and fat comments? apparently you're still in junior high. looks like somebody didn't get the memo: we are only as adult as we present ourselves.
To the patrons,friends and volunteers of both The Oakland and Easy Street...congratulations on putting out two very different products...and doing a good job at it! You are what keeps this community alive.
To vindy.com: I would like to place a formal request that the lewd comments about Mr. Joki be removed (if not for their content: for the sheer fact that a good man's name is being dragged through the mud.)
oh, and one last thing: youngstowng2009: karma is a nasty mistress to the company we keep.
May 11, 2009 at 4:02 a.m. permalink suggest removal
‘Titanic’ more than just spectacle
Just my two cents:
To all of the cast and crew of TITANIC- Thank you for a very good production on Saturday night and an awesome after party! I wish I could come every night! Truly well done! Can't wait to see what the next season has in store!
Kage Jonas Coven
June 1, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. permalink suggest removal
‘Titanic’ more than just spectacle
Oh, wait!
MONTY can't be properly laid to rest because this is a review by Mr. Paurich which is just "oozing" and "gushing" with jabs at The Oakland and its cast.
Bravo! Another job poorly done, sir. Don't spend your entire paycheck on a course is good reviewing skills now!
Kage Jonas Coven
May 28, 2008 at 6:36 a.m. permalink suggest removal
‘Titanic’ more than just spectacle
Why can't some people seem to attend a show, form an unbiased opinion and keep things professional?
Name-calling? Very professional. Gay, Lesbian...Transgender anything...(transgender is not a verb and therefore cannot have a past tense) who cares?
I intend to see TITANIC this weekend...why? Because it's supporting local theater. I did theater at TNT before I did theater at The Playhouse or the Oakland. I don't have a favorite. If The Playhouse put on THE FULL MONTY or The Oakland put on TITANIC...the reviews would have been terrible for either. The Playhouse has a huge facility that is nice for larger shows and casts...that's pretty much a no-brainer.
Can't people just be adults? Never...just never.
As for this discussion about MONTY, isn't the original review here about TITANIC (a completely different show entirely)?
Drop it. MONTY is over, TITANIC sank and I'm sure the musical is going to very good indeed.
My name is Kage Coven- transgender clown.
May 28, 2008 at 6:31 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Oakland’s ‘Full Monty’: too long, but enjoyable
Is Rob Joki the greatest director who ever lived? Maybe. Is the cast of "Monty" ready to go on tour? Probably not. Is Richard Bell's choreography in the show comparable to Fosse? No. But it's not supposed to either. If everyone walked into a community theater show and expected a million dollar budget Broadway production-- no community theater would ever make any money.
It's been said before; reviews and discussions like this (the ones that push buttons and fluff already king-sized egos unnecessarily) are probably one of the reasons that people in our community don't want to come and audition for the theaters. I've actually been timid about doing theater in the area because I was dreading being reviewed. Nobody likes to undergo massive amounts of cruel and superfluous negativity. To attain the same feeling that this reviewer gave the actor, I suggest removing all of one's clothing, standing before a full-length mirror and placing a push-pin in every area of the body that is viewed as "undesirable". That's honestly what I think the reviewer was trying to do. Sure, this show may be "a 6 due to some irredeemable flaws"...but it doesn't have to be the same way for everyone. How about we just pray that people who read the review don't just happen to have the herding mentality of a sheep.
And as for this ongoing epic saga of Youngstown Playhouse vs. The Oakland Center for the Arts; it's getting a bit old. Some of us have done theater and seen theater at both venues and don't have a bias. Shocked? I know. But a lot of people like to just stay away from both theaters because they are afraid of being forced to "choose sides". I've experienced that feeling at one place more strongly than the other, that's for sure (and I won't name names), but it's just annoying. This is NOT a war, folks.
Does anybody remember how to actually give constructive vs. destructive criticism these days? That's like, (pardon my usage of your word, Mr. Paurich) "rudimentary".
And as far as the terrible review goes, i pose a challenge to Mr. Paurich: I dare you to drop your pants (and your inhibitions) and stand on a stage in front of your family and friends, your peers, people you don't know...other reviewers...show us what YOU are made of.
Or maybe a better challenge to pose is to tell you to do something you've never done before in front of people you've never met...and with a smile on your face, much like the men of our cast.
We've shown your ours...it's time to anty up, Milan.
Are you a man, or just a coward hiding behind the almighty printed word?
Sincerely,
Mr. Kage Jonas Coven
May 9, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Oakland’s ‘Full Monty’: too long, but enjoyable
Wow. I never knew that some people would stoop so low just to ruffle some feathers and fluff some egos (I'm not naming names, but it does rhyme with "Schmilan Schmourich").
To start off, I may not be an old theater veteran, but I've done my fair share of theater. I used to be a member of the theater department of YSU. Let me just say on the topic of suspension of disbelief: there sure was a lot of that going on there (though it never made it into a review).
As theatergoers (and human beings), we can decided whether or not to go to a movie or a play because of the director, the choreographer, the cast...etc, the list goes on. Having our own opinions is what makes each of us a unique individual.
One of our cast members made a good point in a discussion (that's the kind without keyboards) last night: we don't do community theater for the "raving reviews", "local celebrity" status or for the "fame and glory" that comes from doing one show-stopping musical in Youngstown, Ohio. We do it to bring even one person into the light and show them something they didn't even know existed. If doing a musical like "Monty" or "Titanic" or even "High School Musical" gets one person who lives in a 4x4 square of existence to come and see what's going on in local theater (right under their noses) then we've done our job.
Maybe everybody doesn't like a show.but maybe somebody does. One bad review isn't necessarily the product of a bad production. It could mean the reviewer is unhealthily biased, or it could mean that the production wasn't perfect. I should suppose both are correct, considering nothing is perfect.
But back to my original point; if we as actors can get one person to come and see just one show in any theater's season who doesn't hold season tickets or a YACTA card, then we are doing our jobs.
It's not about how many seats you fill or what reviewers you impress, folks. It's about how many lives you touch and how many minds you spark to some sort of thought. Instead of tearing the show, the cast and crew and the director apart, maybe this discussion board should have been asking how the show was chosen, what the process was, how the actors feel, etc. Intelligent conversation doesn't seem to go a very long way in this world anymore.
I may not be old by any standards, but I do know that we (the entire cast and crew of "Monty" and the theater community at large) put ourselves out there on the stage for our audiences. We sweat, we cry, we laugh for them. A large part of it is for ourselves, but mostly, (at least for me) it's about the people in the seats that we invite into our lives for a few hours each performance.
May 9, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. permalink suggest removal