cambridge...Very well, let's look at the 40,000 (most of them) undocumented farm workers from Immokalee for the sake of argument. You mention the "cost of hospitals, schools, police protection and on and on while doing nothing to contribute to paying for them" They may pay more in taxes than you think. The IRS issues them an ITN number to pay federal taxes, at the sametime, social security taxes and state taxes are withheld from their paychecks. The undocumented pay city taxes too by the rent they pay to their landlords. Food taxes, clothing sales tax, beer taxes, gas taxes, cigarette taxes. Etc.. Schools and police protection is paid by the undocumented thru taxation.
Undocumented immigrants pay from their small wages for doctors visits..Yes. many of them do not have health insurance. The multinational farm corporations do not care to give them medical care.
One last point, our country needs hard working people who are willing to pay the price for a better future. Join me in welcoming the undocumented.
Entering the U.S without proper documentation is a CIVIL VIOLATION. (look it up) I must confess, I too have commited illegal acts at times by speeding 2 or 3 miles over speed limits. Yes, I have done that in clear violation of CIVIL LAWS. Have you ever done that? If so, does that make you an illegal? You see, some people, even good reasonable people use that CODE word that dehumanizes a person. Others, know full well that the word "illegal" creates FEAR. Read it again..."illegal"..what comes to mind?
Now, going back as to why people migrate.
Does anyone suppose that a men or a woman prefers to uproot, leaving behind family and friends without immigration papers to face the posibilty of a horrible death at the border, just because it's a cool thing to do?
As many as 40,000 undocumented people work in salve work conditions in Immokalee, Fla. The Feds know that. Why do you think food is so cheap?
My food bill is about 15% of my weekly income. Thank God I could afford to pay up to up to 500 dollars a week on food.. If only my fat lazy kids can agree to get a gob in Immokalee for 8 bucks an hour. Now, that's a fat chance. What we need is immigration reform that rewards hard working immigrats. Make them pay a fine for their sins and allow them a path to citizenship. It is a moral issue...An American thing to do.
clarkkent, I respect you views .. However, you're wrong! Telling lies about peole is not nice. Your use of loaded words in your first entry makes me want to look if you do that all the time.
To "clarkkent", You wote: " other than rightly describing illegas as criminals, I don't belive the words you listed are in McKelvey's letter" You went on to say: "Are you one of those liberals who distort and twist what is said and written? 1.-Clarkkent, please re-read McKelvey's letter to the editor. READ HIS LETTER.. The man is celarly sick to lump a group of people as "criminals, lowlifes, gangsters and murderers" 2.-Clarkkent, do I need to be a liberal to read the bible and undestand that the whole book is about love as you love your self?
Let's go back to immigration 101.
I have been in rural towns in Latin America.. All victims of NAFTA. For insance, millions of Mexican farmers have been force to migrate. Corn: farmend in Mexican towns for thousands of years and the main ingredient in tortillas is gone. Multinational corporations in places like Iowa sell cheaper corn to Mexicans than Mexican farmers can sell in Mexico. Kill people's way of life and people will migrate. Do you think people migrate to Ohio for the nice climate?
Immigration Myths and Facts:
MYTH: immigrants are a drain on our social services. FACT: By paying taxes and social security. immigrants contribute far more to goverment coffers than they use in social services. (read the most thorough national study to date on immigrant's fiscal impacts) google NCR. MYTH: Immigrants have a negative impact on the economy and the wages of citizens and take jobs away from citizens FACT: Immigration has a positive effect on the American economy as a whole and on the income of native-born workers. MYTH: Immigrants bring crime to our cities and towns. FACT:Immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than their native born counterparts. Even as the undocumented populationhas increased in the United States. According to the depatment of justice. MYTH: Weak border enforcement has led to high rates of undocumented Immigration. We should increase enforcement and build a a wall around our border. FACT: Increased border security and the construction of border fences have done little to curve the flow of immigrants across the United States border. Instead, immigrats do not leave.
As a start, my childrens roots go back to 1670. From Englang to NJ and then to Ohio,
Erplane, I totally agree with you... McKelvey needs to read a bit of IRISH immigration history to our region. McKelvey's nasty words: " lowlifes, gangsters, murderers, criminals" etc.. This fellow is a sick man.
Jack, Congratulations on making us proud! You have proven to be one of the greatest mentors, coach and trainers in the sport of boxing. I mean, where would Kelly be without you? I'm sure Kelly himself credits you for his great succes that we are all proud of. The thing that turns poeple off about the sport of boxing is the negative rethoric. What I mean by that, is the coments of Rubio's staff about you going back to sealing driveways after the fight. (Rubio himself did not say that) On the otherhand, you chose to lashout not on Rubios's staff that made those coments. YOU chose to belittle Kelly's Latino and Mexican fans with your coments about the sombreo thing, and sending them back.. etc. etc. What if Kellys next opponent is black, jew or italian and their staff takes a negative shot at you? WHAT are you going to say? I'm not angry..I congratulate you! I just beg for some class in the great sport of boxing.
Jack Leow, why hold back Kelly Pavlic from being a household name? Kelly is a great champion! The croud at the chevy centre proved that. Jack, do not cheap shot latinos or mexicans fans with your racial undertones because you will be hurting pavlik who is creating a wide and deep fan base. the deal about the sombreo, three amigos or the sending them back. Congratulations Kelly Pavlik!! we love you!
Immigration is slowing, but more must be done
cambridge...Very well, let's look at the 40,000 (most of them) undocumented farm workers from Immokalee for the sake of argument.
You mention the "cost of hospitals, schools, police protection and on and on while doing nothing to contribute to paying for them"
They may pay more in taxes than you think.
The IRS issues them an ITN number to pay federal taxes, at the sametime, social security taxes and state taxes are withheld from their paychecks.
The undocumented pay city taxes too by the rent they pay to their landlords.
Food taxes, clothing sales tax, beer taxes, gas taxes, cigarette taxes. Etc..
Schools and police protection is paid by the undocumented thru taxation.
Undocumented immigrants pay from their small wages for doctors visits..Yes. many of them do not have health insurance. The multinational farm corporations do not care to give them medical care.
One last point, our country needs hard working people who are willing to pay the price for a better future. Join me in welcoming the undocumented.
June 6, 2009 at 12:30 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Immigration is slowing, but more must be done
Entering the U.S without proper documentation is a CIVIL VIOLATION. (look it up) I must confess, I too have commited illegal acts at times by speeding 2 or 3 miles over speed limits. Yes, I have done that in clear violation of CIVIL LAWS. Have you ever done that? If so, does that make you an illegal? You see, some people, even good reasonable people use that CODE word that dehumanizes a person. Others, know full well that the word "illegal" creates FEAR. Read it again..."illegal"..what comes to mind?
Now, going back as to why people migrate.
Does anyone suppose that a men or a woman prefers to uproot, leaving behind family and friends without immigration papers to face the posibilty of a horrible death at the border, just because it's a cool thing to do?
As many as 40,000 undocumented people work in salve work conditions in Immokalee, Fla. The Feds know that.
Why do you think food is so cheap?
My food bill is about 15% of my weekly income. Thank God I could afford to pay up to up to 500 dollars a week on food.. If only my fat lazy kids can agree to get a gob in Immokalee for 8 bucks an hour.
Now, that's a fat chance.
What we need is immigration reform that rewards hard working immigrats. Make them pay a fine for their sins and allow them a path to citizenship. It is a moral issue...An American thing to do.
June 5, 2009 at 4:34 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Immigration is slowing, but more must be done
clarkkent, I respect you views .. However, you're wrong! Telling lies about peole is not nice.
Your use of loaded words in your first entry makes me want to look if you do that all the time.
June 3, 2009 at 3:55 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Immigration is slowing, but more must be done
I, like many of you failed to spell check..:)
June 3, 2009 at 2:24 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Immigration is slowing, but more must be done
To "clarkkent", You wote: " other than rightly describing illegas as criminals, I don't belive the words you listed are in McKelvey's letter" You went on to say: "Are you one of those liberals who distort and twist what is said and written?
1.-Clarkkent, please re-read McKelvey's letter to the editor. READ HIS LETTER.. The man is celarly sick to lump a group of people as "criminals, lowlifes, gangsters and murderers"
2.-Clarkkent, do I need to be a liberal to read the bible and undestand that the whole book is about love as you love your self?
Let's go back to immigration 101.
I have been in rural towns in Latin America.. All victims of NAFTA. For insance, millions of Mexican farmers have been force to migrate. Corn: farmend in Mexican towns for thousands of years and the main ingredient in tortillas is gone. Multinational corporations in places like Iowa sell cheaper corn to Mexicans than Mexican farmers can sell in Mexico. Kill people's way of life and people will migrate.
Do you think people migrate to Ohio for the nice climate?
Immigration Myths and Facts:
MYTH: immigrants are a drain on our social services.
FACT: By paying taxes and social security. immigrants contribute far more to goverment coffers than they use in social services. (read the most thorough national study to date on immigrant's fiscal impacts) google NCR.
MYTH: Immigrants have a negative impact on the economy and the wages of citizens and take jobs away from citizens
FACT: Immigration has a positive effect on the American economy as a whole and on the income of native-born workers.
MYTH: Immigrants bring crime to our cities and towns.
FACT:Immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than their native born counterparts. Even as the undocumented populationhas increased in the United States. According to the depatment of justice.
MYTH: Weak border enforcement has led to high rates of undocumented Immigration. We should increase enforcement and build a a wall around our border.
FACT: Increased border security and the construction of border fences have done little to curve the flow of immigrants across the United States border. Instead, immigrats do not leave.
As a start, my childrens roots go back to 1670. From Englang to NJ and then to Ohio,
June 3, 2009 at 2:17 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Immigration is slowing, but more must be done
Erplane, I totally agree with you... McKelvey needs to read a bit of IRISH immigration history to our region. McKelvey's nasty words: " lowlifes, gangsters, murderers, criminals" etc.. This fellow is a sick man.
June 2, 2009 at 2:56 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Sir, You have a great son! As a father, i'm proud of you! Congratulations!
February 27, 2009 at 4:19 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Jack, Congratulations on making us proud! You have proven to be one of the greatest mentors, coach and trainers in the sport of boxing. I mean, where would Kelly be without you? I'm sure Kelly himself credits you for his great succes that we are all proud of.
The thing that turns poeple off about the sport of boxing is the negative rethoric. What I mean by that, is the coments of Rubio's staff about you going back to sealing driveways after the fight. (Rubio himself did not say that) On the otherhand, you chose to lashout not on Rubios's staff that made those coments. YOU chose to belittle Kelly's Latino and Mexican fans with your coments about the sombreo thing, and sending them back.. etc. etc.
What if Kellys next opponent is black, jew or italian and their staff takes a negative shot at you? WHAT are you going to say?
I'm not angry..I congratulate you! I just beg for some class in the great sport of boxing.
February 27, 2009 at 4:02 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Post-fight thoughts
Jack Leow, why hold back Kelly Pavlic from being a household name? Kelly is a great champion! The croud at the chevy centre proved that. Jack, do not cheap shot latinos or mexicans fans with your racial undertones because you will be hurting pavlik who is creating a wide and deep fan base. the deal about the sombreo, three amigos or the sending them back. Congratulations Kelly Pavlik!! we love you!
February 22, 2009 at 5:10 a.m. permalink suggest removal
One day away ...
Arum thinks Marco Antonio Rubio is not a star worth the money..whay should you pay to see this fight?
if Arum was my boss i would shop around!
February 21, 2009 at 4:23 a.m. permalink suggest removal