“Don’t you think everybody should have equal amounts of pay and health benefits?”
YES TAMMY , I do, Americans love competition but is what inspires wars, underpriveldged classes, subsequent economic crime (petty and at the white collar level)...
because competition is what inspires conspiracy and uneven playing fields, advantageous circles, and exclusionary/discriminatory practices etc etc.
The notion that equality would inspire laziness is a non-intelligent (as well as ignorant) standpoint, as if someone would ONLY want to make a contribution to society for monetary and personal gains..if so this says that America is a greed inspired, self-centered society, which by the way - it is, thanks to capitalism...
a quote from http://www.internationalsocialist.org/ca... : "Aha!" comes the response. "You’d pay a brain surgeon the same as you’d pay a truck driver! Then no one would put in the work to become a brain surgeon....Such a statement is telling about the priorities of capitalist society--that the only reason people would try to heal the sick is for money. Without financial incentive, the logic goes, no one will pursue work that requires a lot of education, training, and skill....What a travesty! Socialism would be about giving people the opportunity to do what they really want. It would encourage them to become doctors, scientists, artists, or anything else they might desire--unlike now, where people’s access to education is limited by their access to cash."
and as far as this "American tax payer..." garbage, they will complain about ANYTHING that involves taxpayer dollars..whats the use of paying taxes then? and fact is that less than 1% of "American taxpayer dollars" is used for "socialist programs" the bulk is on Defense Spending, or more appropriately - The Attack Budget.
Only a country that repeatedly attacks and engages in all kind of meddling in other country's affairs for their own greed needs scores and caches of weapons and surveilance such as the U.S. does...
my house was once raided by YPD because I had security cameras around my front door! The warrant said that it was "...indicative of nefarious activity..." a friend of mine got 2 years in Fed prison cuz he had a bullet proof vest!
So what does Americas weapons and hi tech surveilance indicate?
the tax payer has his mistaken the identity of his enemy. and as far as the "American taxpayer" having it up to here (so to speak): I quote Trotsky: "But at those crucial moments when the old order becomes no longer endurable to the masses, they break over the barriers excluding them from the political arena, sweep aside their traditional representatives, and create by their own interference the initial groundwork for a new regime…. The history of a revolution is for us first of all a history of the forcible entrance of the masses into the realm of rulership over their own destiny."
oh yeah, one more thing,...peep Kissenger's way of maintaining the "interests of the United States" and how he planned to maintain America's capitalistic agenda's: http://wlym.com/text/NSSM200.htm
a response is cool I guess, but really not needed and not what I was aiming for.
There is no response that can change my mind to favor a system that relies (and always has relied) on exploitation of the many by the few to benefit the few...
The main reason is people don't WANT it to be right, but deep down, everyone who has a heart (term used metaphorically) knows it's wrong to exploit the many for benefit of the few...even some facets of American society will use that credo (majority rules) even when making life and death decisions we will sacrifice a few lives for the salvation of many more..another demonstration of the hypocrisy of the U.S.A. ( a land stolen and built on the backs of free labor and sustained by toppled governments and puppet regimes...these are the by-products of capitalism)
interesting, but not the kind of racism that can stifle one's socio-economic status like centuries of colonialism and slavery (as well as their institutions and legacies) did.
haha, Unions. The local 11 guild (the union of the Vindy workers, except for the writers) in 1997 organized a near-strike, and at the time I was a young college student working as a driver (I carried bulk newspapers to carriers, stores and vending boxes). I was also at the bottom of the scale making 5.75 an hour. Tony Markota and all the local 11 guys got us all motivated for the strike, but at the bargaining table (to make long story short) the District Managers and older drivers (the ones under the old name and who made more than us who did the same thing only we were under a new name) got what they wanted, but failed to do any fighting for us "new drivers" (oh yeah we got a .25 cent raise over 3 years), but soon as the D.M.s got what they wanted the bargaining was over and strike cancelled...what about us? Well, seems our support was no longer needed, and it was time to get back to work so the D.M.s could ride around in the station wagons all day making 18.25 an hours for doing virtually nothing.
Unions are business too...real workers organizations are the workers themselves, independent of any union.
I imagine some will read the first few sentences, and begin to hurl nasty "kill a commy for mommy", "socialism does not work" (and other rhetorical and political catch-phrases without much critical thought behind their utterance)..but it would behoove you to read the entire thing
you know if you have the scholarly aptitude to read something more than a few paragraphs, even if it is an opposing viewpoint...it's called critical thinking.
You have to know that Capitalism and exploitation are inseparable and go hand in hand...look at the word "capitalize" ...
robert neville, I know I know, it's all the African's fault we were slaves.
Affirmative Action falls under constitution that "congress shall enact laws to offset the institutions and LEGACY of slavery" so naw, the Whites won't get in this benefit.
now I'm thinking of that black guy who was on TV begging John McCain to "please sir, take it to this guy..." during the presidential election last year.
Posted on August 26 at 2:39 p.m.
"spreading propaganda" there is one of those age-old phrases that cast negative stigmatization on revolutionary ideas...
but really, everything is "spreading propaganda" if it is involving ideas being tossed out.
cant' wait to see your response...e-mail it to me at teccnickle@gmail.com so it doesnt get lost in the massive thread.
Posted on August 26 at 2:32 p.m.
“Don’t you think everybody should have equal amounts of pay and health benefits?”
YES TAMMY , I do, Americans love competition but is what inspires wars, underpriveldged classes, subsequent economic crime (petty and at the white collar level)...
because competition is what inspires conspiracy and uneven playing fields, advantageous circles, and exclusionary/discriminatory practices etc etc.
The notion that equality would inspire laziness is a non-intelligent (as well as ignorant) standpoint, as if someone would ONLY want to make a contribution to society for monetary and personal gains..if so this says that America is a greed inspired, self-centered society, which by the way - it is, thanks to capitalism...
a quote from http://www.internationalsocialist.org/ca... :
"Aha!" comes the response. "You’d pay a brain surgeon the same as you’d pay a truck driver! Then no one would put in the work to become a brain surgeon....Such a statement is telling about the priorities of capitalist society--that the only reason people would try to heal the sick is for money. Without financial incentive, the logic goes, no one will pursue work that requires a lot of education, training, and skill....What a travesty! Socialism would be about giving people the opportunity to do what they really want. It would encourage them to become doctors, scientists, artists, or anything else they might desire--unlike now, where people’s access to education is limited by their access to cash."
and as far as this "American tax payer..." garbage, they will complain about ANYTHING that involves taxpayer dollars..whats the use of paying taxes then? and fact is that less than 1% of "American taxpayer dollars" is used for "socialist programs" the bulk is on Defense Spending, or more appropriately - The Attack Budget.
Only a country that repeatedly attacks and engages in all kind of meddling in other country's affairs for their own greed needs scores and caches of weapons and surveilance such as the U.S. does...
my house was once raided by YPD because I had security cameras around my front door! The warrant said that it was "...indicative of nefarious activity..."
a friend of mine got 2 years in Fed prison cuz he had a bullet proof vest!
So what does Americas weapons and hi tech surveilance indicate?
the tax payer has his mistaken the identity of his enemy. and as far as the "American taxpayer" having it up to here (so to speak):
I quote Trotsky:
"But at those crucial moments when the old order becomes no longer endurable to the masses, they break over the barriers excluding them from the political arena, sweep aside their traditional representatives, and create by their own interference the initial groundwork for a new regime…. The history of a revolution is for us first of all a history of the forcible entrance of the masses into the realm of rulership over their own destiny."
Posted on August 26 at 2:06 p.m.
oh yeah, one more thing,...peep Kissenger's way of maintaining the "interests of the United States" and how he planned to maintain America's capitalistic agenda's:
http://wlym.com/text/NSSM200.htm
Posted on August 26 at 2:02 p.m.
a response is cool I guess, but really not needed and not what I was aiming for.
There is no response that can change my mind to favor a system that relies (and always has relied) on exploitation of the many by the few to benefit the few...
The main reason is people don't WANT it to be right, but deep down, everyone who has a heart (term used metaphorically) knows it's wrong to exploit the many for benefit of the few...even some facets of American society will use that credo (majority rules) even when making life and death decisions we will sacrifice a few lives for the salvation of many more..another demonstration of the hypocrisy of the U.S.A. ( a land stolen and built on the backs of free labor and sustained by toppled governments and puppet regimes...these are the by-products of capitalism)
Posted on August 26 at 1:56 p.m.
interesting, but not the kind of racism that can stifle one's socio-economic status like centuries of colonialism and slavery (as well as their institutions and legacies) did.
Posted on August 26 at 1:37 p.m.
haha, Unions.
The local 11 guild (the union of the Vindy workers, except for the writers) in 1997 organized a near-strike, and at the time I was a young college student working as a driver (I carried bulk newspapers to carriers, stores and vending boxes). I was also at the bottom of the scale making 5.75 an hour. Tony Markota and all the local 11 guys got us all motivated for the strike, but at the bargaining table (to make long story short) the District Managers and older drivers (the ones under the old name and who made more than us who did the same thing only we were under a new name) got what they wanted, but failed to do any fighting for us "new drivers" (oh yeah we got a .25 cent raise over 3 years), but soon as the D.M.s got what they wanted the bargaining was over and strike cancelled...what about us? Well, seems our support was no longer needed, and it was time to get back to work so the D.M.s could ride around in the station wagons all day making 18.25 an hours for doing virtually nothing.
Unions are business too...real workers organizations are the workers themselves, independent of any union.
Todo MUNDO por Socialismo ahora!!!
Posted on August 26 at 1:27 p.m.
I imagine some will read the first few sentences, and begin to hurl nasty "kill a commy for mommy", "socialism does not work" (and other rhetorical and political catch-phrases without much critical thought behind their utterance)..but it would behoove you to read the entire thing
http://www.internationalsocialist.org/ca...
you know if you have the scholarly aptitude to read something more than a few paragraphs, even if it is an opposing viewpoint...it's called critical thinking.
You have to know that Capitalism and exploitation are inseparable and go hand in hand...look at the word "capitalize" ...
just read, I'm not even asking anyone to agree, but just to read and soak in this viewpoint...
http://www.internationalsocialist.org/ca...
Posted on August 26 at 1:21 p.m.
http://www.internationalsocialist.org/ca...
Posted on August 24 at 6:53 p.m.
saddad, AMEN!!!!!
Posted on August 24 at 1:24 a.m.
robert neville,
I know I know, it's all the African's fault we were slaves.
Affirmative Action falls under constitution that "congress shall enact laws to offset the institutions and LEGACY of slavery" so naw, the Whites won't get in this benefit.
now I'm thinking of that black guy who was on TV begging John McCain to "please sir, take it to this guy..." during the presidential election last year.