Psych - If you know why the Pastors left you must be privy to more information than most. What does that tell us? Was it ever made clear why? If it was, why are so many questioning?
Let's see...one must be asked if one would accept a nomination to council...hhhuummmm....church council is supposed to be a group of people who care about what is best for the congregation of the church, not about fulfilling an agenda. I believe that council has not always had the best interest of the congregation in mind, or at heart, in the past. I think more than a few people feel that way, and not just about this circumstance. I wonder why I was never asked to accept a nomination? I contribute. I attend. I'm involved. Maybe I ask too many questions.
Based on comments in this blog, I think people need to speak up and speak out at church. Answer me this...why would he resign if he was innocent. If he was innocent he would fight an accusation of this magnitude. I think the only way Zion is going to get past this is if all the members of council resign, sell the stock that Zion has in Dale's brothers company (he's still profitting from us) - break all ties. Zion needs to move on with out him - completely. For all we know, he still is running the show through council. Tell me that thought hasn't crossed your mind.
Wow people! I am a member - for all my life. First off, it's fairly easy to pinpoint and speculate as to who the victim might be...all you have to do is read the Vindy article to figure the timeline. I was going through confirmation at that time. Let me tell you, at the time I was not creeped out by this, but looking back, I am. On a retreat once, it was Dale's suggection to play "spin the bottle" with us 7th and 8th graders. At the time we all thought he was so cool. I look back on that now and I am pretty weirded out by it. Harmless, maybe, you decide. I understand her going to the bishop. Everyone on council is in Dale's pocket. those people were picked by him - and voted on by the congregation - but do you know how you are chosen to run for council????? You are asked to run. anyone who would go against Dale was never asked. I think every member of council should resign. Why was he given a severance. I don't care if he was pastor for 30 years. I don't know of any other job that would give you a severance for quitting!! Crazy!! Anyone questioning why Chuck or Mark left got quickly quieted by council. Chuck asked questions. And now he's gone. Mark, too. Many people suspected. you can't just go accusing without evidence. and if you questioned it....well ask Chuck. Anyone inquire further about why the director of the Day Care left??? HHHUUMMM.....
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
Psych - If you know why the Pastors left you must be privy to more information than most. What does that tell us? Was it ever made clear why? If it was, why are so many questioning?
Let's see...one must be asked if one would accept a nomination to council...hhhuummmm....church council is supposed to be a group of people who care about what is best for the congregation of the church, not about fulfilling an agenda. I believe that council has not always had the best interest of the congregation in mind, or at heart, in the past. I think more than a few people feel that way, and not just about this circumstance. I wonder why I was never asked to accept a nomination? I contribute. I attend. I'm involved. Maybe I ask too many questions.
February 21, 2009 at 1:17 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
Based on comments in this blog, I think people need to speak up and speak out at church. Answer me this...why would he resign if he was innocent. If he was innocent he would fight an accusation of this magnitude. I think the only way Zion is going to get past this is if all the members of council resign, sell the stock that Zion has in Dale's brothers company (he's still profitting from us) - break all ties. Zion needs to move on with out him - completely. For all we know, he still is running the show through council. Tell me that thought hasn't crossed your mind.
February 20, 2009 at 9:19 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
Oh and YES....we did have to meet with him personally before getting confimed.
February 20, 2009 at 9:08 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
Wow people! I am a member - for all my life. First off, it's fairly easy to pinpoint and speculate as to who the victim might be...all you have to do is read the Vindy article to figure the timeline. I was going through confirmation at that time. Let me tell you, at the time I was not creeped out by this, but looking back, I am. On a retreat once, it was Dale's suggection to play "spin the bottle" with us 7th and 8th graders. At the time we all thought he was so cool. I look back on that now and I am pretty weirded out by it. Harmless, maybe, you decide. I understand her going to the bishop. Everyone on council is in Dale's pocket. those people were picked by him - and voted on by the congregation - but do you know how you are chosen to run for council????? You are asked to run. anyone who would go against Dale was never asked. I think every member of council should resign. Why was he given a severance. I don't care if he was pastor for 30 years. I don't know of any other job that would give you a severance for quitting!! Crazy!! Anyone questioning why Chuck or Mark left got quickly quieted by council. Chuck asked questions. And now he's gone. Mark, too. Many people suspected. you can't just go accusing without evidence. and if you questioned it....well ask Chuck. Anyone inquire further about why the director of the Day Care left??? HHHUUMMM.....
February 20, 2009 at 9:04 p.m. permalink suggest removal