tylersclark: Life is too short to be P.C. I call 'em the way I see 'em. As far as sticking to the argument(s), why don't you try sticking to the FACTS.
What will it take to have you see that gun bans, registration, etc., etc., HAVEN'T WORKED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES?
Australia, England, New Zealand, and too many other nations to count, PLUS many jurisdictions in this country, all imposed the idotic "solutions" proposed by you, Mr. Carter, and others, and the only result has been MORE VIOLENT CRIME.
There is no such thing as "reasonable gun control", because it's not about guns, IT'S ABOUT CONTROL. Emotionally-based, feel-good, do-something, discredited theories will never solve the problem of violent crime, with or without guns.
Go after the "root cause" (i.e. - the CRIMINAL) and leave us alone. You don't seem to have a problem abusing the 1st Amendment by spreading your leftist, ill-informed, factually bankrupt propaganda about lawfully armed citizens, so why shouldn't I "shoot from the hip", so to speak? If you can't take the heat, get out of the discussion.
Tyler: A few more points: Mr. Obama and his minions definitely have the sights on our guns and gun rights. Look at the White House website. It is his stated intent to reinstate and STRENGTHEN the "Assault Weapons Ban". Attorney General Eric Holder reaffirmed this in public statements. Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Obama, and others have blamed Mexican drug cartel violence on the fact that Americans have a Right to Keep and Bear Arms. So, before I take your word that "Obama is fine with you (us) having guns", I'm going to need to see a LOT MORE hard evidence to convince me otherwise.
Regarding "time to get real with gun policy", reality has shown that the "Assault Weapon" ban was an abject failure. We had a 10 year experiment, and not one shred of evidence exists to show it had any effect whatsoever on crime. This, taken with the fact that preemptively punishing the masses for the criminal actions of a very small minority hasn't worked, further proves my point.
The majority of criminal homicides in this country involve gang- and/or drug-related crimes committed by inner-city "minorities". Homicides are committed by those with lengthly criminal records in a great majority of cases. Usually, these individuals are either on parole or probation at the time they commit murder(s). Revolving-door "justice" is much more to blame than an inanimate object (firearm) that is incapable of independent thought or action. I've never heard of, let alone seen, a gun do anything on its' own.
Firearms "accidents" (it's usually ignorance and/or stupidity) are at an all-time low, while firearms ownership is at an all-time high. How do you explain this fact? If there was as much effort and attention devoted to children drowning, being poisoned, choking, of dying in auto accidents, many, many more lives would be saved. GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
Tyler: You quote Jimmy Carter, a leftist, socialist failure of a president that embarrassed our nation in front of the world, did his best to ruin our economy, gave away the Panama Canal, and got good soldiers killed by his limp-wanged response to terrorism and acts of war (the taking of our embassy in Iran). His defintion of "assault weapon" (which he conveniently leaves out) is so obtuse as to be undefinable.
He, and you, also fail to note that thousands of "gun control" laws have been useless as crime-fighting tools. "Gun control" does not work, plain and simple. The only "gun law" that has proven to reduce crime has been "shall issue" concealed carry (although I am against requiring "government" permission to exercise a Right that "shall not be infringed").
JeffLebowski: Who are you to say whom is to be trusted with anything, you arrogant, power-hungry moron? Maybe you should do a little research into your American heritage, and realize how fortunate you are indeed to have been born American. Where is it written that We, the People, must submit to unlawful violence, either at the hands of the criminal, or the hands of a criminal "government"?
Have you ever heard of the "black codes", or "Jim Crow" laws? I thought not. These are the racist beginnings of "gun control" in America, meant to disarm we "people of color" so that we could not enjoy and enforce our Rights and Freedoms.
As a retired member of the Armed Forces, I swore an Oath, several times, to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign and domestic". I swore no loyalty to any individual, politician, or party. I swore it to MY FELLOW AMERICANS, and I intend to carry out and obey my Oath.
I am also a former cop, firearms instructor, and small arms expert, with more than half a MILLION rounds fired. Four years ago, I took on the city of Toledo, Ohio, regarding their illegal "gun control" laws. We won, they lost, and rightfully so. (Google: Bruce Beatty Concealed Carry Ohio).
The bottom line is: we cannot trust our Freedom to anyone but ourselves. Google Warren vs. D.C. and Haynes vs U. S., just for starters. Warren stated that the cops have no obligation or duty to protect an individual citizen, and Haynes stated that you cannot force the criminal to obey the law without violating their Rights. With these cases in mind, who do you think will protect you and yours?
Whatever property, including firearms, I choose to possess is no one's business but MINE. I would advise that you and your kind think it through VERY carefully before you decide to try to disarm me. Oh, and don't forget the SWAT team and lunch truck; you're gonna frickin' need 'em.
I heard gunshots last night
tylersclark: Life is too short to be P.C. I call 'em the way I see 'em. As far as sticking to the argument(s), why don't you try sticking to the FACTS.
What will it take to have you see that gun bans, registration, etc., etc., HAVEN'T WORKED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES?
Australia, England, New Zealand, and too many other nations to count, PLUS many jurisdictions in this country, all imposed the idotic "solutions" proposed by you, Mr. Carter, and others, and the only result has been MORE VIOLENT CRIME.
There is no such thing as "reasonable gun control", because it's not about guns, IT'S ABOUT CONTROL. Emotionally-based, feel-good, do-something, discredited theories will never solve the problem of violent crime, with or without guns.
Go after the "root cause" (i.e. - the CRIMINAL) and leave us alone. You don't seem to have a problem abusing the 1st Amendment by spreading your leftist, ill-informed, factually bankrupt propaganda about lawfully armed citizens, so why shouldn't I "shoot from the hip", so to speak? If you can't take the heat, get out of the discussion.
April 29, 2009 at 3:29 p.m. permalink suggest removal
I heard gunshots last night
Tyler: A few more points: Mr. Obama and his minions definitely have the sights on our guns and gun rights. Look at the White House website. It is his stated intent to reinstate and STRENGTHEN the "Assault Weapons Ban". Attorney General Eric Holder reaffirmed this in public statements. Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Obama, and others have blamed Mexican drug cartel violence on the fact that Americans have a Right to Keep and Bear Arms. So, before I take your word that "Obama is fine with you (us) having guns", I'm going to need to see a LOT MORE hard evidence to convince me otherwise.
Regarding "time to get real with gun policy", reality has shown that the "Assault Weapon" ban was an abject failure. We had a 10 year experiment, and not one shred of evidence exists to show it had any effect whatsoever on crime. This, taken with the fact that preemptively punishing the masses for the criminal actions of a very small minority hasn't worked, further proves my point.
The majority of criminal homicides in this country involve gang- and/or drug-related crimes committed by inner-city "minorities". Homicides are committed by those with lengthly criminal records in a great majority of cases. Usually, these individuals are either on parole or probation at the time they commit murder(s). Revolving-door "justice" is much more to blame than an inanimate object (firearm) that is incapable of independent thought or action. I've never heard of, let alone seen, a gun do anything on its' own.
Firearms "accidents" (it's usually ignorance and/or stupidity) are at an all-time low, while firearms ownership is at an all-time high. How do you explain this fact? If there was as much effort and attention devoted to children drowning, being poisoned, choking, of dying in auto accidents, many, many more lives would be saved. GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
April 28, 2009 at 6:40 p.m. permalink suggest removal
I heard gunshots last night
Tyler: You quote Jimmy Carter, a leftist, socialist failure of a president that embarrassed our nation in front of the world, did his best to ruin our economy, gave away the Panama Canal, and got good soldiers killed by his limp-wanged response to terrorism and acts of war (the taking of our embassy in Iran). His defintion of "assault weapon" (which he conveniently leaves out) is so obtuse as to be undefinable.
He, and you, also fail to note that thousands of "gun control" laws have been useless as crime-fighting tools. "Gun control" does not work, plain and simple. The only "gun law" that has proven to reduce crime has been "shall issue" concealed carry (although I am against requiring "government" permission to exercise a Right that "shall not be infringed").
JeffLebowski: Who are you to say whom is to be trusted with anything, you arrogant, power-hungry moron? Maybe you should do a little research into your American heritage, and realize how fortunate you are indeed to have been born American. Where is it written that We, the People, must submit to unlawful violence, either at the hands of the criminal, or the hands of a criminal "government"?
Have you ever heard of the "black codes", or "Jim Crow" laws? I thought not. These are the racist beginnings of "gun control" in America, meant to disarm we "people of color" so that we could not enjoy and enforce our Rights and Freedoms.
As a retired member of the Armed Forces, I swore an Oath, several times, to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign and domestic". I swore no loyalty to any individual, politician, or party. I swore it to MY FELLOW AMERICANS, and I intend to carry out and obey my Oath.
I am also a former cop, firearms instructor, and small arms expert, with more than half a MILLION rounds fired. Four years ago, I took on the city of Toledo, Ohio, regarding their illegal "gun control" laws. We won, they lost, and rightfully so. (Google: Bruce Beatty Concealed Carry Ohio).
The bottom line is: we cannot trust our Freedom to anyone but ourselves. Google Warren vs. D.C. and Haynes vs U. S., just for starters. Warren stated that the cops have no obligation or duty to protect an individual citizen, and Haynes stated that you cannot force the criminal to obey the law without violating their Rights. With these cases in mind, who do you think will protect you and yours?
Whatever property, including firearms, I choose to possess is no one's business but MINE. I would advise that you and your kind think it through VERY carefully before you decide to try to disarm me. Oh, and don't forget the SWAT team and lunch truck; you're gonna frickin' need 'em.
April 28, 2009 at 6:11 p.m. permalink suggest removal