Forgive me for sounding socialist, but do we need so much capitolism that someone at the top of a company makes "535 times" what the guy just starting does? All three of those fat cats from gm, ford and chrysler, should have to give up the jets, and give up a years salary to help "stimulate" their busnesses. Let them see what supporting a family on even $14. an hour for a year feels like.
Why not just pull out the automotive building equipment from the factories (since it's all on wheels for easy shipment to somewhere else anyhow) and start building solar panels, street cars, and wind turbines? Are autoworkers to good to make a street car, or wind turbine? Would you rather have the six to eight weeks off in crappy weather to watch TV or get the same amount of time off during the summer?
Auto making is as narrow of a road for the Mahoning valley as steel was. Manufacturing in Northeaster Ohio's steel and auto industries made America great, but it is not those two products that define the people who made them nor do they have to be the only thing that comes out of the valley of steel. The steel and auto industries were so successful because they made what the whole world wanted. It's time for Ohio, for the Mahoning valley to turn back on and give the world what they want again. You can go on and tell me about how solar, or wind or any of the other "Green" buzz word energy sources still need gas. FINE! But the world wants green energy and they need people to build it, so are you ready to stop b.s.ing and get to work or what! Or if the union won't allow their "autoworkers" to work on something else, again how about moving the auto making equipment out of the way while they shut down for six weeks to allow something else to be made in the plants?
this off the subject of Obama, back to real issues, work in Youngstown area. I hope local leaders will get green industry in the local economy. Like solar panel manufacturing, there is a great little urban car coming to America call the "Air Car" because it runs on, compressed Air. Diverse green industry. So some rustbelt refugees can come home. I'm still praying that Y-town doesn't get passed by now that the elections are done.
i agree with Jeff, Anders... is just copy pasting straight from the republican play-book, where if you say it enough times it makes it truth, Acorn and Obama, are not connected the way that the right wing want people to believe, but never the less they will continue to state it till some not so well informed person believes it. the Ayers connection, has been answered by Obama campaign, no connection like Anders... would have you believe. All the negative campaigning by the republicans is from the same b.s. mill that gave us the swift boat attacks against Kerry in 04. Again according to the republican party playbook if they make a claim for something enough times and have online post to back up there false claims with enough garbage in the text to bore you into not reading it all, it makes it true. if you listen them, tell it, it's the moon that shines so bright during the day and not the sun and they have links that say so.
As for the economy, I think Youngstown should tell the rest of the country, welcome to what started here in Youngstown thirty years ago. Talk about companies folding, please, jobs, getting out sourced, please, real estate, and home crisis, please. Welcome home to Youngstown, America. These problems have been the status quo in Youngstown since 1977. Let the rest of America see how it feels to have your kids grown up and have leave home because there is no work locally for them.
Every four years I see the same thing happen, candidates come to Youngstown feed the same line of poop, about I'm gonna bring back jobs, I'll lower your taxes, I'll save your home.
I can't really speak for what it is like locally in Youngstown, because we left in 1980, I know my dad's mill the Youngstown Sheet & tube switch hands twice before he was let go after 32 years, in 1982. I've kept up with local happening for a few years now, it seems the Youngstown is leading the way in showing America the right way to clean up a shrinking town. I guess there is some revitalization going on in the downtown area, and I'm happy to see that.
My point is this, it just makes my heart sick to see my hometown be used as campaign stump to feed America a bunch of BS about making things better.
Of the two candidates I think Obama's plan will work the best, McSames sounds just like that four more years of Bush. Another rich white guy looking out for other rich white guys. Obama looks a lot more like Youngstown, mixed, and he know what racial hatred looks like from both sides, b.s.
To the last poster, there are so many hole and false b.s. in that link you've posted, you might as well use it as a new screen window.
You can cover dog poop with syrup, but that don't make it pancakes, you might as well come out and stump for McSame and stop posting a bunch b.s.
My father was a foreman for the Youngstown Sheet & Tube; he worked there for thirty five years. I believe it wasn’t until 1982 that the mill actually closed down completely. I remember the company name changed twice lastly to J&L steel and then it was chopped up, the company and its assets.
Another name for this article could be: "The reason why I am a rust belt refugee"
I still remember walking into a bar with my father when I was six across from one of the steel mills in Youngstown and asking him, “why is the sky so blue today, and why isn’t there smoke coming out of the smoke stacks over there?” As I pointed across the street to the steel mill. My father said; “Son you’ll never see smoke come out of there again, come on I'll buy ya a pop.”
It may have been the failure to address the new EPA laws in upgrading the smokes stacks, and the heavy price tag that went with it that caused shareholders to sell. But No one can ever blame the men who broke themselves in the service of the Youngstown Sheet and Tube for its closing, my father and a lot of other men’s life blood poured out of that mill in the color of molten orange steel in the shape of sheets and tubes. When the moneymen, and Voodoo economic Wall Street cooperate buyouts killed the mills in Youngstown, they killed a community.
I still pray for good jobs to return to eastern Ohio.
Who is at fault for stalling the U.S. automakers' bailout package?
Forgive me for sounding socialist, but do we need so much capitolism that someone at the top of a company makes "535 times" what the guy just starting does? All three of those fat cats from gm, ford and chrysler, should have to give up the jets, and give up a years salary to help "stimulate" their busnesses. Let them see what supporting a family on even $14. an hour for a year feels like.
November 23, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. permalink suggest removal
What should the federal government do with General Motors?
Why not just pull out the automotive building equipment from the factories (since it's all on wheels for easy shipment to somewhere else anyhow) and start building solar panels, street cars, and wind turbines?
Are autoworkers to good to make a street car, or wind turbine? Would you rather have the six to eight weeks off in crappy weather to watch TV or get the same amount of time off during the summer?
Auto making is as narrow of a road for the Mahoning valley as steel was. Manufacturing in Northeaster Ohio's steel and auto industries made America great, but it is not those two products that define the people who made them nor do they have to be the only thing that comes out of the valley of steel. The steel and auto industries were so successful because they made what the whole world wanted. It's time for Ohio, for the Mahoning valley to turn back on and give the world what they want again.
You can go on and tell me about how solar, or wind or any of the other "Green" buzz word energy sources still need gas. FINE! But the world wants green energy and they need people to build it, so are you ready to stop b.s.ing and get to work or what! Or if the union won't allow their "autoworkers" to work on something else, again how about moving the auto making equipment out of the way while they shut down for six weeks to allow something else to be made in the plants?
November 14, 2008 at 3:04 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Thousands cheer first black president
this off the subject of Obama, back to real issues, work in Youngstown area. I hope local leaders will get green industry in the local economy. Like solar panel manufacturing, there is a great little urban car coming to America call the "Air Car" because it runs on, compressed Air. Diverse green industry. So some rustbelt refugees can come home.
I'm still praying that Y-town doesn't get passed by now that the elections are done.
November 6, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Obama’s economic revitalization plans will benefit Youngstown
i agree with Jeff, Anders... is just copy pasting straight from the republican play-book, where if you say it enough times it makes it truth,
Acorn and Obama, are not connected the way that the right wing want people to believe, but never the less they will continue to state it till some not so well informed person believes it.
the Ayers connection, has been answered by Obama campaign, no connection like Anders... would have you believe.
All the negative campaigning by the republicans is from the same b.s. mill that gave us the swift boat attacks against Kerry in 04.
Again according to the republican party playbook if they make a claim for something enough times and have online post to back up there false claims with enough garbage in the text to bore you into not reading it all, it makes it true.
if you listen them, tell it, it's the moon that shines so bright during the day and not the sun and they have links that say so.
November 1, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Obama’s economic revitalization plans will benefit Youngstown
As for the economy, I think Youngstown should tell the rest of the country, welcome to what started here in Youngstown thirty years ago. Talk about companies folding, please, jobs, getting out sourced, please, real estate, and home crisis, please. Welcome home to Youngstown, America. These problems have been the status quo in Youngstown since 1977. Let the rest of America see how it feels to have your kids grown up and have leave home because there is no work locally for them.
Every four years I see the same thing happen, candidates come to Youngstown feed the same line of poop, about I'm gonna bring back jobs, I'll lower your taxes, I'll save your home.
I can't really speak for what it is like locally in Youngstown, because we left in 1980, I know my dad's mill the Youngstown Sheet & tube switch hands twice before he was let go after 32 years, in 1982. I've kept up with local happening for a few years now, it seems the Youngstown is leading the way in showing America the right way to clean up a shrinking town. I guess there is some revitalization going on in the downtown area, and I'm happy to see that.
My point is this, it just makes my heart sick to see my hometown be used as campaign stump to feed America a bunch of BS about making things better.
Of the two candidates I think Obama's plan will work the best, McSames sounds just like that four more years of Bush. Another rich white guy looking out for other rich white guys. Obama looks a lot more like Youngstown, mixed, and he know what racial hatred looks like from both sides, b.s.
To the last poster, there are so many hole and false b.s. in that link you've posted, you might as well use it as a new screen window.
You can cover dog poop with syrup, but that don't make it pancakes, you might as well come out and stump for McSame and stop posting a bunch b.s.
October 30, 2008 at 11:53 p.m. permalink suggest removal
FATE OR FOLLY? Was Black Monday inevitable? Panelists disagree
My father was a foreman for the Youngstown Sheet & Tube; he worked there for thirty five years. I believe it wasn’t until 1982 that the mill actually closed down completely. I remember the company name changed twice lastly to J&L steel and then it was chopped up, the company and its assets.
Another name for this article could be: "The reason why I am a rust belt refugee"
I still remember walking into a bar with my father when I was six across from one of the steel mills in Youngstown and asking him, “why is the sky so blue today, and why isn’t there smoke coming out of the smoke stacks over there?” As I pointed across the street to the steel mill. My father said; “Son you’ll never see smoke come out of there again, come on I'll buy ya a pop.”
It may have been the failure to address the new EPA laws in upgrading the smokes stacks, and the heavy price tag that went with it that caused shareholders to sell. But No one can ever blame the men who broke themselves in the service of the Youngstown Sheet and Tube for its closing, my father and a lot of other men’s life blood poured out of that mill in the color of molten orange steel in the shape of sheets and tubes. When the moneymen, and Voodoo economic Wall Street cooperate buyouts killed the mills in Youngstown, they killed a community.
I still pray for good jobs to return to eastern Ohio.
February 6, 2008 at 4:54 a.m. permalink suggest removal