This is a quote from sickofitall: _______________________________________ "And as for bringing up Mr White's previous record....did any of you actually look at it!? Its stupid things like, petty theft, receiving stolen property, underage drinking and/or selling to underage people....NOTHING of this nature before...so before you go and JUDGE someone based on their previous record, be sure that you have something to judge about because I dont see a pattern like many of you had said!" _______________________________________ UMMM, let me respond to the quote above
Yes, we judge by his background. Sorry you think it is all "stupid" but to me IT DOES SHOW A pattern of illegall activity and lack of moral judgement.
His crimes still left victims who were in one way or another damaged by his crime.
Additionally, he may not have been "caught" for every law he broke. There may very well have been other violent crimes that were not reported or he has yet to be connected to.
The best prediction of future behavior is past behavior. His past behavior was in criminal activity, I just don't see how this mother chose someone like this to leave her child with.
"Why don't those of you who have young daughters, treat this girl as if she is your daughter. How would you see it then. "
my reply is this:
I do have children and thinking of your above statement I can say with certainty my children would never have been left in the care of a known criminal with multiple offenses! I am sory you are dealing with this personally but your friend had a duty to protect her child at all costs and she clearly failed and missed numerous warning signs.She clearly did not have her baby as her first priority to place her in harms way. God bless and heal this child and let justice be served upon those who allowed and committed harm to her.
According to another vindy article, this girls mother had to know something was wrong when the child clearly showed signs of injury for days leading up to the final beating.
“Her doctor said because there is new blood and old blood, some of the trauma could be between five and 20 days old,” Holmes said. “She’s had at least six seizures [since Friday], and she can’t speak now.”
“She really bought [White’s] excuses on several small things,” he said. “But I think it’s setting in now.”
White had told the girl’s mother that some of the injuries happened after she fell and hit her head once on a floor and once when a car door swung open, according to a police report
you quoted me on something "Lifesnadir" said. I fully agree with the position you take on this subject. Just want to correct who said what.
On another note, I feel that there should be some system in place to provide well checks on home schooled children. Some type of required home visits and proof of annual doctors visits. SOMETHING!
my heart breaks for this family and the story moves me to tears. May her family find comfort and blessings as they try to navigate this earth with only her memories to hold tight.
************************ Lifesnadir (69 comments)posted 13 minutes ago
"The bigger problem is, WHERE do people go for help when their lives and homes get so far out of control??? Would YOU be able to ask for intervention when it's the FIRST 6 months of your living conditions deteriorating?? What about after 1 year?? What about 18 months and now the trash is overflowing?? Would you ask at 2 years, after carpets are urine soaked, trash piled high, kids out of control. WHERE would you start if it was YOU?? Lots of things contribute to such conditions: complications from pregnancy; drug or alcohol abuse; major depression (or post-partum depression); other mental illness... Most addicts and some mentally ill will not or cannot ask for help. So, when YOUR life deteriorates to this level, who would you ask for help, knowing that there is NO agency who would give practical-hands on help to get your home cleaned up, get you mental help and support, AND get your kids and animals back to health. There is NO PLACE that gives that kind of hands-on help. No one starts out to live in filth and crap. So, what if your life became so bad that you were living in deplorable conditions?? WHO would you call?? Good luck finding such help if you ever need it.
And, there's plenty of families living like this. Closed doors, closed blinds, everyone passes by, and the families keep quiet because of shame, embarrassment, fear...."
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Apparently you are somehow involved in this whole mess or just have no clue. You seem to be one of those people who find anywhere to place blame but the place blame belongs.
What ever happened to people helping themselves? Couldn't they have turned the dogs/cats over to an animal shelter and clean up their own mess? How about feeding the pets? Do they need to ask for help to feed their pets? If they just lost their former home in 2007 as previously posted, then they had the chance to start over with this one and KEEP IT CLEAN! How about if they just kept the pets to the basement and outside? How about if they kept just one room clean enough for their children? You seem to be having a pitty party for these horrible parents and abuser of pets.
Maybe the authorities can charge them with neglect, cruelty to animals, child endangering, child abuse.....something has to stick and if you pile enough charges, something has to warrant jail time for more than an misdemeanor.
Filthy disgusting slobs. I hope the kids find a better environment to live in and the pets rest in peace.
**************************************************** "The $21.60 charge, Ms. Raines said, would cover the cost of the bulbs, their delivery expense, and offset a loss in revenues to the firm for the expected lower electricity usage resulting from the energy-efficient lighting." http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art... *************************************************
So they justify charging us an exorbitant amount of money to help cushion their loss of revenue as the result of us using more energy efficent lighting?
I think she needs fired for even thinking this is a reasonable statement to make or an acceptable way to treat their clients.
I guess when the energy company has a monopoly, they can treat their clients any way they want just so they stay profitable. Something needs to change!
Posted on November 20 at 9:13 a.m.
This is a quote from sickofitall:
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"And as for bringing up Mr White's previous record....did any of you actually look at it!? Its stupid things like, petty theft, receiving stolen property, underage drinking and/or selling to underage people....NOTHING of this nature before...so before you go and JUDGE someone based on their previous record, be sure that you have something to judge about because I dont see a pattern like many of you had said!"
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UMMM, let me respond to the quote above
Yes, we judge by his background. Sorry you think it is all "stupid" but to me IT DOES SHOW A pattern of illegall activity and lack of moral judgement.
His crimes still left victims who were in one way or another damaged by his crime.
Additionally, he may not have been "caught" for every law he broke. There may very well have been other violent crimes that were not reported or he has yet to be connected to.
The best prediction of future behavior is past behavior. His past behavior was in criminal activity, I just don't see how this mother chose someone like this to leave her child with.
Posted on November 18 at 2:33 p.m.
is there any word on this little girls condition? Has she shown any signs of improvement? I am keeping her in my prayers.
Posted on November 17 at 12:33 p.m.
To TeresaB:
you said:
"Why don't those of you who have young daughters, treat this girl as if she is your daughter. How would you see it then. "
my reply is this:
I do have children and thinking of your above statement I can say with certainty my children would never have been left in the care of a known criminal with multiple offenses!
I am sory you are dealing with this personally but your friend had a duty to protect her child at all costs and she clearly failed and missed numerous warning signs.She clearly did not have her baby as her first priority to place her in harms way.
God bless and heal this child and let justice be served upon those who allowed and committed harm to her.
Posted on November 17 at 5:49 a.m.
According to another vindy article, this girls mother had to know something was wrong when the child clearly showed signs of injury for days leading up to the final beating.
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http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/nov/17/ma...
“Her doctor said because there is new blood and old blood, some of the trauma could be between five and 20 days old,” Holmes said. “She’s had at least six seizures [since Friday], and she can’t speak now.”
“She really bought [White’s] excuses on several small things,” he said. “But I think it’s setting in now.”
White had told the girl’s mother that some of the injuries happened after she fell and hit her head once on a floor and once when a car door swung open, according to a police report
Posted on November 11 at 7:45 a.m.
Very happy for this man to have a blessing show up on his doorstep when he has mounting medical bills from a major surgery. I wish him well.
Posted on October 28 at 11:57 p.m.
To AlwaysHope:
you quoted me on something "Lifesnadir" said.
I fully agree with the position you take on this subject. Just want to correct who said what.
On another note, I feel that there should be some system in place to provide well checks on home schooled children. Some type of required home visits and proof of annual doctors visits. SOMETHING!
Posted on October 28 at 11:22 a.m.
my heart breaks for this family and the story moves me to tears. May her family find comfort and blessings as they try to navigate this earth with only her memories to hold tight.
Posted on October 28 at 11:19 a.m.
this comment is in reply to
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Lifesnadir (69 comments)posted 13 minutes ago
"The bigger problem is, WHERE do people go for help when their lives and homes get so far out of control??? Would YOU be able to ask for intervention when it's the FIRST 6 months of your living conditions deteriorating?? What about after 1 year?? What about 18 months and now the trash is overflowing?? Would you ask at 2 years, after carpets are urine soaked, trash piled high, kids out of control. WHERE would you start if it was YOU?? Lots of things contribute to such conditions: complications from pregnancy; drug or alcohol abuse; major depression (or post-partum depression); other mental illness... Most addicts and some mentally ill will not or cannot ask for help. So, when YOUR life deteriorates to this level, who would you ask for help, knowing that there is NO agency who would give practical-hands on help to get your home cleaned up, get you mental help and support, AND get your kids and animals back to health. There is NO PLACE that gives that kind of hands-on help. No one starts out to live in filth and crap. So, what if your life became so bad that you were living in deplorable conditions?? WHO would you call?? Good luck finding such help if you ever need it.
And, there's plenty of families living like this. Closed doors, closed blinds, everyone passes by, and the families keep quiet because of shame, embarrassment, fear...."
**************************************
Apparently you are somehow involved in this whole mess or just have no clue. You seem to be one of those people who find anywhere to place blame but the place blame belongs.
What ever happened to people helping themselves?
Couldn't they have turned the dogs/cats over to an animal shelter and clean up their own mess? How about feeding the pets? Do they need to ask for help to feed their pets? If they just lost their former home in 2007 as previously posted, then they had the chance to start over with this one and KEEP IT CLEAN! How about if they just kept the pets to the basement and outside? How about if they kept just one room clean enough for their children? You seem to be having a pitty party for these horrible parents and abuser of pets.
Maybe the authorities can charge them with neglect, cruelty to animals, child endangering, child abuse.....something has to stick and if you pile enough charges, something has to warrant jail time for more than an misdemeanor.
Filthy disgusting slobs. I hope the kids find a better environment to live in and the pets rest in peace.
Posted on October 14 at 8:01 a.m.
This comment is what really gets me:
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"The $21.60 charge, Ms. Raines said, would cover the cost of the bulbs, their delivery expense, and offset a loss in revenues to the firm for the expected lower electricity usage resulting from the energy-efficient lighting."
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...
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So they justify charging us an exorbitant amount of money to help cushion their loss of revenue as the result of us using more energy efficent lighting?
I think she needs fired for even thinking this is a reasonable statement to make or an acceptable way to treat their clients.
I guess when the energy company has a monopoly, they can treat their clients any way they want just so they stay profitable. Something needs to change!
Posted on October 11 at 11:02 a.m.
It looks like it is on hold as of now. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...