captainlinger: The Jerk is a lovely film. But where exactly is "race" shown on an Ohio Driver License? If it were on there (which it isn't), I guarantee you could put down whatever you want. You are often given the option, but the state never actually forces you to define yourself as white, black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, or Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, and they do not demand a doctor's letter saying that you are actually the race you claim to be.
Search4Ansers: Are you suggesting that a gay man might live full time as a female for a year then successfully con his psychologist into writing a letter that he's transsexual so that he can get married in Ohio?
DoctorGonzo: Are you actually saying that someone would go to those same lengths just to save money on car insurance? Just the cost of clothes would outweigh the supposed savings!
captainlinger: Are your weight, eye color or hair color used to determine what pronouns people refer to you with in conversation? What restroom you use? How you are expected to behave emotionally? Then you're in luck! Because you can gain/lose weight, get colored contacts, or dye your hair and the BMV will be glad to change your license for you! The only thing that's difficult to change is your height, but you can get surgery in Russia for that. Even if you don't actually make the change, the BMV lets everybody lie about their weight. My brother is 5'10" and weighs 230 lbs, but his license says he's 6'0" and 185 lbs! Besides, if you haven't noticed, over the course of your life your height, weight and hair color can change quite a bit, and nobody raises much of a stink about it. So what exactly is your argument?
The transgendered community is pretty small, and I understand that most people think of us as crazies, perverts and drag queens. But the reality is that there are a lot of nice normal people out there who are living as a different gender than what their birth certificate says, and it's kinda sad not to have their license match that. It's scary the degree to which some people are horrified by transfolks being accepted. Are you afraid of what can happen if pre-op t-girls aren't clearly marked? Like maybe you're going to be dating some tall hottie for a couple weeks and things are going to get a little steamy after a date and you're going to find a penis she didn't tell you about? And that will instantly make you gay, right? And then that angry God of yours will send you straight to hell! So you ask to see every girl's license and verify her gender before you go on a date, right? It all makes sense now. Maybe we should make things easier and just all wear a scarlet T so as to stand out more clearly.
Even if you don't believe in being transgendered, do a little research into intersex conditions. Many people aren't totally male or female. The doctor pretty much flipped a coin to decide what to put on the birth certificate. It's totally unfair to say that gender is a binary condition that you have to be stuck with no matter how you live.
No surgical sex change? No problem at BMV to alter gender on licenses
captainlinger: The Jerk is a lovely film. But where exactly is "race" shown on an Ohio Driver License? If it were on there (which it isn't), I guarantee you could put down whatever you want. You are often given the option, but the state never actually forces you to define yourself as white, black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, or Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, and they do not demand a doctor's letter saying that you are actually the race you claim to be.
September 22, 2009 at 9:17 a.m. permalink suggest removal
No surgical sex change? No problem at BMV to alter gender on licenses
Search4Ansers: Are you suggesting that a gay man might live full time as a female for a year then successfully con his psychologist into writing a letter that he's transsexual so that he can get married in Ohio?
DoctorGonzo: Are you actually saying that someone would go to those same lengths just to save money on car insurance? Just the cost of clothes would outweigh the supposed savings!
captainlinger: Are your weight, eye color or hair color used to determine what pronouns people refer to you with in conversation? What restroom you use? How you are expected to behave emotionally? Then you're in luck! Because you can gain/lose weight, get colored contacts, or dye your hair and the BMV will be glad to change your license for you! The only thing that's difficult to change is your height, but you can get surgery in Russia for that. Even if you don't actually make the change, the BMV lets everybody lie about their weight. My brother is 5'10" and weighs 230 lbs, but his license says he's 6'0" and 185 lbs! Besides, if you haven't noticed, over the course of your life your height, weight and hair color can change quite a bit, and nobody raises much of a stink about it. So what exactly is your argument?
The transgendered community is pretty small, and I understand that most people think of us as crazies, perverts and drag queens. But the reality is that there are a lot of nice normal people out there who are living as a different gender than what their birth certificate says, and it's kinda sad not to have their license match that. It's scary the degree to which some people are horrified by transfolks being accepted. Are you afraid of what can happen if pre-op t-girls aren't clearly marked? Like maybe you're going to be dating some tall hottie for a couple weeks and things are going to get a little steamy after a date and you're going to find a penis she didn't tell you about? And that will instantly make you gay, right? And then that angry God of yours will send you straight to hell! So you ask to see every girl's license and verify her gender before you go on a date, right? It all makes sense now. Maybe we should make things easier and just all wear a scarlet T so as to stand out more clearly.
Even if you don't believe in being transgendered, do a little research into intersex conditions. Many people aren't totally male or female. The doctor pretty much flipped a coin to decide what to put on the birth certificate. It's totally unfair to say that gender is a binary condition that you have to be stuck with no matter how you live.
September 21, 2009 at 2:45 a.m. permalink suggest removal