Not only did this student break the law, he also included other STUDENTS in this activity. It's not an issue of "healthy" vs "unhealthy", but an issue of responsibility under and compliance with the law. If he has such disregard for fellow students' safety and welfare, then I agree, he need not participate in traditional graduation activities.
Helen? Just what is your real agenda here? To degrade, insult and be hateful toward Rob? Again, I'd like to repeat, there is a way to present negative opinion in an appropriate manner, unforfunately, you seem to need some work on that.
I disagree with several of your blanket comments:
1. "you are an embarrassment to everyone in this town who does shows" Excuse me? When was that survey taken and how was the data compiled because I was not aware of it. Therefore, "everyone" is an inaccurate statement.
2. "Most do it for self-satisfaction....glowing reviews" Again, maybe I missed the when you did that research project as well. Many perform for self-satisfaction (self-indulgance, validation) while others perform because they are looking for challenge. Some try it out as something new to do, others to keep empty evenings full of productive activity. Some people perform because they love THEATER and not because they love being IN theater. So, again, an inaccurate, insulting comment with no basis for it's foundation.
3. "petulant behavior" While I must congratulate you on your use of vocabulary, I question this to be an accurate adjective to describe Rob's responses. Petulant: contemptuous in speech or behavior (well that one fits your most recent post) ... unreasonably irritable, petty, immodest, saucy (hmmm I feel when one's passion is attacked, irritablitly is a normal human response however I see no immodesty in his comments nor sauciness) ...
Sorry Helen, while you may have attempted to make some kind of "point" with your last posts, you've merely accomplished the recognition that you have a personal agenda against Mr. Joki with your biased, non-founded comments.
Since your last words to Mr. Joki are "you can explain yourself then" I'd like to present the same question to you. Can you explain why you are behaving in such an angry, vindictive manner? Can you explain what your real agenda is? Can you explain why you make insulting, blanket assumptions to represent the WHOLE community theater community? Can you explain who voted you the official spokewoman (or man) for the theater community?
Or, do you believe as I believe, adults make choices and do NOT have to explain themselves, for if that's true, then Mr. Joki has no explaining to do. He's right out there, defending his cast and his product with the same passion he has every time he steps on stage, works with the touring group or directs a play. PASSION is his only driving motivation here.
Thank you for revealing yourself today with your comments. They speak loudly regarding your character as a human and a fellow member of the theater community.
WOW! This is really getting out of hand. Folks, let's go back to the non-personalized perspective of the review and the show:
THE REVIEWER should not critique a script; there are other writing venues for that. THE REVIEWER should not insult the very community for which it writes. THE REVIEWER should not allow personal friendships and bias from their personal life sneak into a review. THE REVIEWER should give both postive and negative feedback on a show. THE REVIEWER should point out what they consider outstanding performances while non-vindictively, addressing performance weaknesses. THE REVIEWER should remember this is community theater and support its community.
Was this review PERFECT? No! Was this review totally bashing and inaccurate? No! It was one man's opinion flavored with bias and a personal agenda.
THE SHOW should be cast as effectively as possible with the audition pool and actors the director is familiar with. THE SHOW should not be pre-cast prior to auditions. THE SHOW should be choreographed to maximize plausible space and set space while honoring the flavor of the script. THE SHOW should not cut, trim, or alter the script in any way. THE SHOW should be rehearsed and polished to its maximum to entertain its audience.
Was the show PERFECT? No! Was the show ENTERTAINING? Yes! Was the show cast to PERFECTION? No! Was the show cast as well as POSSIBLE? Yes! It was a joint effort by many people to bring entertainment to Youngstown while challenging themselves to go outside their comfort zones and grow as people through performance.
I said it before and I'll say it again: Community theater is about a coming together of diverse people from all walks of life to produce a product to entertain and/or evoke emotion in an audience. Full Monty did just that.
So, how about we lighten up on the flinging of insults back and forth and stick to the objective facts: 1. Full Monty will make you laugh out loud. 2. Full Monty will help you identify with other people through its characters. 3. Full Monty will leave your wondering "what if…?". 4. Full Monty will entertain most anyone in the audience. 5. Full Monty will have you wondering why certain things were done certain ways.
Do you want affordable entertainment? SEE THE FULL MONTY. Do you want perfection on the stage? Pay over a hundred dollars for tickets to Broadway or Chicago or Toronto.
Thank you, everyone for your input, but remember; the very thing that triggered this forum was the belief that the reviewer is biased and personalizes his writings. Do we want to do the very thing we feel Milan is doing? I know I don’t. Go SEE THE FULL MONTY and judge for yourself.
Community Theater is just that: COMMUNITY. It's a process of bringing together diverse individuals to work collaboratively on a product and present it to the COMMUNITY. No one pretends (hopefully) that a local community theater is meant to put out Broadway level productions. But the people involved share something in common; a love of performance, a love of collaboration, or a passion for entertainment; to name just a few of the possibilities. I am part of the cast of this show and I've watched as dedicated individuals worked to bring this show to fruition. The director, faced with many obstacles, assembled the best cast he could. Remember, again, this is COMMUNITY Theater and the cast is created from people brave enough to audition. He remained focused and positive throughout the process. The actors worked daily, not only on lines and music, but on the issues that go with the exposure of their bodies to the public. Every member of this cast is part of an ensemble from the most line-laden role to the smallest of roles - all with the focus of bringing a production to the stage for the ENTERTAINMENT of the COMMUNITY.
After reading Milan's review I wonder if he has any idea of what COMMUNITY is. He wastes the first column of the vindy review on the critique of a script, not a performance. He pokes fun of Youngstown and the blight and despair it's endured from the loss of its steel mills. He suggests "trimming" the script of another writer; that is, in itself, an insult to the talent of the creators of the play. Perhaps someone should trim Milan's writing instead. From there he rips performances and tosses in a slight compliment from time to time. Milan, Youngstown is your paycheck, is it your COMMUNITY? There are ways to make valid points of criticism while remaining positive and supportive of a COMMUNITY event. Perhaps you need to revisit journalism 101 and stand behind your COMMUNITY rather than against it.
Posted on May 9 at 6:08 a.m.
Not only did this student break the law, he also included other STUDENTS in this activity. It's not an issue of "healthy" vs "unhealthy", but an issue of responsibility under and compliance with the law. If he has such disregard for fellow students' safety and welfare, then I agree, he need not participate in traditional graduation activities.
Posted on May 8 at 4:15 p.m.
Helen? Just what is your real agenda here? To degrade, insult and be hateful toward Rob? Again, I'd like to repeat, there is a way to present negative opinion in an appropriate manner, unforfunately, you seem to need some work on that.
I disagree with several of your blanket comments:
1. "you are an embarrassment to everyone in this town who does shows" Excuse me? When was that survey taken and how was the data compiled because I was not aware of it. Therefore, "everyone" is an inaccurate statement.
2. "Most do it for self-satisfaction....glowing reviews" Again, maybe I missed the when you did that research project as well. Many perform for self-satisfaction (self-indulgance, validation) while others perform because they are looking for challenge. Some try it out as something new to do, others to keep empty evenings full of productive activity. Some people perform because they love THEATER and not because they love being IN theater. So, again, an inaccurate, insulting comment with no basis for it's foundation.
3. "petulant behavior" While I must congratulate you on your use of vocabulary, I question this to be an accurate adjective to describe Rob's responses. Petulant: contemptuous in speech or behavior (well that one fits your most recent post) ... unreasonably irritable, petty, immodest, saucy (hmmm I feel when one's passion is attacked, irritablitly is a normal human response however I see no immodesty in his comments nor sauciness) ...
Sorry Helen, while you may have attempted to make some kind of "point" with your last posts, you've merely accomplished the recognition that you have a personal agenda against Mr. Joki with your biased, non-founded comments.
Since your last words to Mr. Joki are "you can explain yourself then" I'd like to present the same question to you. Can you explain why you are behaving in such an angry, vindictive manner? Can you explain what your real agenda is? Can you explain why you make insulting, blanket assumptions to represent the WHOLE community theater community? Can you explain who voted you the official spokewoman (or man) for the theater community?
Or, do you believe as I believe, adults make choices and do NOT have to explain themselves, for if that's true, then Mr. Joki has no explaining to do. He's right out there, defending his cast and his product with the same passion he has every time he steps on stage, works with the touring group or directs a play. PASSION is his only driving motivation here.
Thank you for revealing yourself today with your comments. They speak loudly regarding your character as a human and a fellow member of the theater community.
Posted on May 6 at 7:19 p.m.
WOW! This is really getting out of hand. Folks, let's go back to the non-personalized perspective of the review and the show:
THE REVIEWER should not critique a script; there are other writing venues for that. THE REVIEWER should not insult the very community for which it writes. THE REVIEWER should not allow personal friendships and bias from their personal life sneak into a review. THE REVIEWER should give both postive and negative feedback on a show. THE REVIEWER should point out what they consider outstanding performances while non-vindictively, addressing performance weaknesses. THE REVIEWER should remember this is community theater and support its community.
Was this review PERFECT? No! Was this review totally bashing and inaccurate? No! It was one man's opinion flavored with bias and a personal agenda.
THE SHOW should be cast as effectively as possible with the audition pool and actors the director is familiar with. THE SHOW should not be pre-cast prior to auditions. THE SHOW should be choreographed to maximize plausible space and set space while honoring the flavor of the script. THE SHOW should not cut, trim, or alter the script in any way. THE SHOW should be rehearsed and polished to its maximum to entertain its audience.
Was the show PERFECT? No! Was the show ENTERTAINING? Yes! Was the show cast to PERFECTION? No! Was the show cast as well as POSSIBLE? Yes! It was a joint effort by many people to bring entertainment to Youngstown while challenging themselves to go outside their comfort zones and grow as people through performance.
I said it before and I'll say it again: Community theater is about a coming together of diverse people from all walks of life to produce a product to entertain and/or evoke emotion in an audience. Full Monty did just that.
So, how about we lighten up on the flinging of insults back and forth and stick to the objective facts:
1. Full Monty will make you laugh out loud.
2. Full Monty will help you identify with other people through its characters.
3. Full Monty will leave your wondering "what if…?".
4. Full Monty will entertain most anyone in the audience.
5. Full Monty will have you wondering why certain things were done certain ways.
Do you want affordable entertainment? SEE THE FULL MONTY. Do you want perfection on the stage? Pay over a hundred dollars for tickets to Broadway or Chicago or Toronto.
Thank you, everyone for your input, but remember; the very thing that triggered this forum was the belief that the reviewer is biased and personalizes his writings. Do we want to do the very thing we feel Milan is doing? I know I don’t. Go SEE THE FULL MONTY and judge for yourself.
Posted on May 4 at 1:52 p.m.
Community Theater is just that: COMMUNITY. It's a process of bringing together diverse individuals to work collaboratively on a product and present it to the COMMUNITY. No one pretends (hopefully) that a local community theater is meant to put out Broadway level productions. But the people involved share something in common; a love of performance, a love of collaboration, or a passion for entertainment; to name just a few of the possibilities. I am part of the cast of this show and I've watched as dedicated individuals worked to bring this show to fruition. The director, faced with many obstacles, assembled the best cast he could. Remember, again, this is COMMUNITY Theater and the cast is created from people brave enough to audition. He remained focused and positive throughout the process. The actors worked daily, not only on lines and music, but on the issues that go with the exposure of their bodies to the public. Every member of this cast is part of an ensemble from the most line-laden role to the smallest of roles - all with the focus of bringing a production to the stage for the ENTERTAINMENT of the COMMUNITY.
After reading Milan's review I wonder if he has any idea of what COMMUNITY is. He wastes the first column of the vindy review on the critique of a script, not a performance. He pokes fun of Youngstown and the blight and despair it's endured from the loss of its steel mills. He suggests "trimming" the script of another writer; that is, in itself, an insult to the talent of the creators of the play. Perhaps someone should trim Milan's writing instead. From there he rips performances and tosses in a slight compliment from time to time. Milan, Youngstown is your paycheck, is it your COMMUNITY? There are ways to make valid points of criticism while remaining positive and supportive of a COMMUNITY event. Perhaps you need to revisit journalism 101 and stand behind your COMMUNITY rather than against it.