My suggestion is change the system so that you have a place to house the mental ill. Get them medical treatment that is necessary.
Change the system and the laws so that you can put the person in the appropriate place before they committ crimes but that wont happen.
You can't just lock someone up because they are mentally ill. They have to committ a crime. Then everyone is outraged that someone with mental illiness committed a crime.
They can't reason and God only knows what thoughts go through their mind. You take the chance to see if they will the harm someone else or not.
I would suggest that the authorities that had him in custody for 70 some days ignored the mental illness. Or the laws dealing with mental illness didn't allow them to do any more.
The system is messed up. It's not easy just to lock up a person or to committ a person. Plus there's not many places to committ a person to unless then committ a very serious crime or a threat to someone else. The authorities must not have thought that he was threat to anyone else so they let him go.
I can't speak for them but they were making the decision. So that's where my comment about passing the buck comes from.
It does sounds like he recieved mental health treatment for the 200 charge in Cleveland. So it's been a 9 to 11 year run without him falling off meds or getting into serious trouble. It may not sound like long enough but ask any mental health case worker who deal with the seriously mentally ill.
It should have been obivous that he had a relapse but there is not where to put a person like this.
So the game is you hope like hell he doesn't hurt anyone before he committs a crime that you can lock him up for a longer period of time.
Its a process that social workers go through on a regular basis. I wonder why there is such a high level of burn out.
If you can't understand why a person my be heart broken to see someone they knew in a situation like this well that says a lot about you.
A single person can't solve the problem. The laws, the system the support structure needs to be in place for a positive outcome to occur. ( A positive outcome does not mean let him go each case is different)
I am not defending the crimes that he committed or may have committed. All I know is there are many people in the city and country in the same situation.
Skyone, Biggeorge --- Strong Statememts but that doesn't solve the problem either. Because then you would be next head line.
The frustrating part with dealing with the Menality ill is when they are off their medication there is no place for them but out on the street.
People try to help but it's a lifetime of work. Many people give up because it takes a toll on them. You can't be there 24/7 to monitor everything a person does short of being in an institution.
Serious mental illness just doesnt go away. Meds may help the person function if your lucky enough to find the right meds.
But once a person is off their meds there truely is not way of knowing what a person will do.
The jail system doesn't want them and there isn't a long term place for them.
He was just in jail but released. Was he evaluated to be a threat to anyone else?
If he was getting meds after being in jail after 30 days he's better he's let him go , then he is back on the street. Without a support structure in place it a matter of time before he's back again.
I know you want to torture and kill him.
Then the society should just start lining them up. We have a whole prison system full of them.
When does the line stop beore the convicted drug users or after the person convicted of a DUI.
There has to be a long term place for people like this.
Oh I know it's going to cost money we can't spend money. We spend money on everything else.
The list of socal issues that we spend money on is mind boggling. I can understand if mental illness isn't one of you want to spend money on.
Who gets to decides everyone can probably list their top five or ten they don't want to spend money on.
The person has an serious illness, that doesn't excuse what he or she does.
The problem is we have no system that can help a person with a mental illness.
So many times everyone just passes the buck. Put the person in the proper place get the person help and monitor the person. If the person strays take more serious action.
Don't just ignore that the person has a mental illiness and put them back on the street after sitting in jail. Was any medical mental attention provided when the person was in Jail?
Homeless William Bednar charged in Youngstown puppy killings
My suggestion is change the system so that you have a place to house the mental ill. Get them medical treatment that is necessary.
Change the system and the laws so that you can put the person in the appropriate place before they committ crimes but that wont happen.
You can't just lock someone up because they are mentally ill. They have to committ a crime. Then everyone is outraged that someone with mental illiness committed a crime.
They can't reason and God only knows what thoughts go through their mind. You take the chance to see if they will the harm someone else or not.
February 20, 2012 at 4:39 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Homeless William Bednar charged in Youngstown puppy killings
XBROWNSX ---
Simple minds say simple things.
February 19, 2012 at 1:56 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Homeless William Bednar charged in Youngstown puppy killings
Life2short ---
I would suggest that the authorities that had him in custody for 70 some days ignored the mental illness. Or the laws dealing with mental illness didn't allow them to do any more.
The system is messed up. It's not easy just to lock up a person or to committ a person. Plus there's not many places to committ a person to unless then committ a very serious crime or a threat to someone else. The authorities must not have thought that he was threat to anyone else so they let him go.
I can't speak for them but they were making the decision. So that's where my comment about passing the buck comes from.
It does sounds like he recieved mental health treatment for the 200 charge in Cleveland. So it's been a 9 to 11 year run without him falling off meds or getting into serious trouble. It may not sound like long enough but ask any mental health case worker who deal with the seriously mentally ill.
It should have been obivous that he had a relapse but there is not where to put a person like this.
So the game is you hope like hell he doesn't hurt anyone before he committs a crime that you can lock him up for a longer period of time.
Its a process that social workers go through on a regular basis. I wonder why there is such a high level of burn out.
If you can't understand why a person my be heart broken to see someone they knew in a situation like this well that says a lot about you.
A single person can't solve the problem. The laws, the system the support structure needs to be in place for a positive outcome to occur. ( A positive outcome does not mean let him go each case is different)
I am not defending the crimes that he committed or may have committed. All I know is there are many people in the city and country in the same situation.
February 19, 2012 at 10:01 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Homeless William Bednar charged in Youngstown puppy killings
I love the headline -- Homeless
A more accurate way to state it is Mentality ill.
Lumper -- I think you state it well.
Skyone, Biggeorge --- Strong Statememts but that doesn't solve the problem either. Because then you would be next head line.
The frustrating part with dealing with the Menality ill is when they are off their medication there is no place for them but out on the street.
People try to help but it's a lifetime of work. Many people give up because it takes a toll on them. You can't be there 24/7 to monitor everything a person does short of being in an institution.
Serious mental illness just doesnt go away. Meds may help the person function if your lucky enough to find the right meds.
But once a person is off their meds there truely is not way of knowing what a person will do.
The jail system doesn't want them and there isn't a long term place for them.
He was just in jail but released. Was he evaluated to be a threat to anyone else?
If he was getting meds after being in jail after 30 days he's better he's let him go , then he is back on the street. Without a support structure in place it a matter of time before he's back again.
I know you want to torture and kill him.
Then the society should just start lining them up. We have a whole prison system full of them.
When does the line stop beore the convicted drug users or after the person convicted of a DUI.
There has to be a long term place for people like this.
Oh I know it's going to cost money we can't spend money. We spend money on everything else.
The list of socal issues that we spend money on is mind boggling. I can understand if mental illness isn't one of you want to spend money on.
Who gets to decides everyone can probably list their top five or ten they don't want to spend money on.
February 18, 2012 at 6:25 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Competency tests ordered for man charged in puppy deaths
Janeyblue --
Should we do that with everyone that has mental illness or everyone that committs a crime.
Not sure how many people will be left.
February 18, 2012 at 5:15 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Homeless William Bednar charged in Youngstown puppy killings
kfromtheburbs
I would definitely watch how you threaten people online.
You may think your being cute but it is a serious statement that can be taken as a threat.
I think your last conclusion may be correct.
February 17, 2012 at 1:13 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Homeless William Bednar charged in Youngstown puppy killings
-- Really Just Stop --
Some of the comments listed here are just wrong.
The person has an serious illness, that doesn't excuse what he or she does.
The problem is we have no system that can help a person with a mental illness.
So many times everyone just passes the buck. Put the person in the proper place get the person help and monitor the person. If the person strays take more serious action.
Don't just ignore that the person has a mental illiness and put them back on the street after sitting in jail. Was any medical mental attention provided when the person was in Jail?
February 17, 2012 at 11:11 a.m. permalink suggest removal