Take gun out of "gun control" and what's left is CONTROL! Stop giving up your civil liberties in exchange for freedom - in the end you'll end up with neither.
A sincere thank you. I appreciate your viewpoint and agree with it. There is still hope; I just wish others shared the same collective thought in regards to the Second Amendment and what it truly represents.
Benjamin Franklin (sometimes Thomas Jefferson) is often quoted as saying, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
HellaBB,
I don't claim to be a master of the English language or an upstanding member of the Supreme Court so I can't personally outline and define how the second amendment is interpreted. But a simple search helped me better understand how the Supreme Court has defined it in the past. As quoted on Wikipedia in response to the three competing models ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_A... ),
"The third, known as the "standard model", was that the Second Amendment recognized the personal right of individuals to keep and bear arms.
However, the weight of serious scholarship supports the historical intent of the Second Amendment to protect individual rights and to deter governmental tyranny. From the Federalist Papers to explanations when the Bill of Rights was introduced, it is clear that the purpose of the Second Amendment was to protect individual rights."
A court case presented to the Supreme Court, found here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District... ) better outlined the second amendment. Take a look at the decision, it basically states,
"The Supreme Court held: (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53."
You can interpret it how you wish, but the Supreme Court holds up to this model, protecting the right to bear arms in a way that's consistent with protecting free speech.
It's a shame this thread has to turn into pro/anti gun from the get-go.
This is not the NRA's fault, it is Reshad Little's fault. How can you blame an organization that stands up for our second amendment rights? Imagine our country without the second amendment. Do you like tyranny?
More guns is not the answer, I agree. But painting every gun owner with the same broad stroke as you would with Reshad Little and all these other mentally incompetent individuals who commit these types of crimes is wrong. You and the media do a great job and causing panic and hysteria. Guns aren't evil. I've never heard of a gun walking into a public domain and doing harm. It's the individual that's the problem.
I first saw your comment on my iPhone and had to log onto my iMac to respond to your idiotic message.
More urban and public school trash? Most of the country is educated through the public school system and not every urban area is considered trash.
Secondly, I thought you were attempting to be sarcastic then I realized you must be serious when you asked "Digital penetration? What in the heck is that? Do kids these day not have fleshly members for penetration? Do they have to resort to using their i-devices?".
I'm not even sure how to respond to your comments. They are just so dumb.
Thank you. Your the only person in this thread with real sense.
The real issue is improper use of guns. This could have easily been avoided if the Aunt didn't have a gun, presumably, under her seat where a 5 year old could reach under and grab it.
Her possession of the gun is another issue. Was it properly purchased? Registered? Does she have a permit to carry a concealed gun?
All of the people beating the "ban guns" proverbial drum need a reality check. Guns don't kill people - people will people. In fact, tobacco and alcohol use kills people at a significantly higher volume than guns do.
I'll leave on this side note; why would you want to disarm the largest militia in the world? In WWII, Japan Fleet Admiral and Commander in Chief of the IJN was quoted saying, "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Now I know this is a different era and the threat of invasion is practically nil, but we cannot forgot how this country was forged. My solution is simple: state mandated sanctions on gun purchases, banning automatic weapons, instituting background checks that incorporate histories of mental illnesses, and mandatory safety courses for every potential gun owner. In addition, gun manufacturers/retailers need to sell chamber locks with every item.
This list could expand ten-fold, but you get the jest.
Just a terrible tragedy. At least witnesses decided to speak out against the shooter/s which resulted in a stiff penalty for at least one of the defendants.
How is this allowed to happen? Looking at this scenario: If I was competing with a minority for this position, and I was the clear cut choice, I would be overlooked simply because I'm white and they need more blacks, hispanics, indians, etc in this field? Why should I be punished for qualifying for a position? Isn't this discrimination? I guess the same logic can be - and is -applied for federal grants and student loans...
I hope the city can dignify their decision to base employment mainly, if not solely, on race.
As part of the "Youth", I have to admit I knew of this club, but never had an opportunity to see the facility, meet the members, or learn more about it. It's a shame they are going through financial turmoil, perhaps if they reached out to non-members such as myself, who are socially active in the community, etc, they wouldn't have such an issue with recruiting members and generating revenue.
I belong to several other clubs and traditionally a member has to sponsor a non-member in order for them to be considered for membership. Maybe that's the problem: older members with limited networks.
If the YC replicated what fraternities do such as hosting mixers and having social events, I'm sure they would generate the interest needed to continue this century long tradition.
Too bad they called it quits. I would have loved an opportunity to get involved.
UPDATED | Second bombing suspect in custody
Take gun out of "gun control" and what's left is CONTROL! Stop giving up your civil liberties in exchange for freedom - in the end you'll end up with neither.
April 19, 2013 at 12:40 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Horrified church congregation watches son kill father after Easter service in Ashtabula
Vindyak,
A sincere thank you. I appreciate your viewpoint and agree with it. There is still hope; I just wish others shared the same collective thought in regards to the Second Amendment and what it truly represents.
April 3, 2013 at 11:30 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Horrified church congregation watches son kill father after Easter service in Ashtabula
Benjamin Franklin (sometimes Thomas Jefferson) is often quoted as saying, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
HellaBB,
I don't claim to be a master of the English language or an upstanding member of the Supreme Court so I can't personally outline and define how the second amendment is interpreted. But a simple search helped me better understand how the Supreme Court has defined it in the past. As quoted on Wikipedia in response to the three competing models ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_A... ),
"The third, known as the "standard model", was that the Second Amendment recognized the personal right of individuals to keep and bear arms.
However, the weight of serious scholarship supports the historical intent of the Second Amendment to protect individual rights and to deter governmental tyranny. From the Federalist Papers to explanations when the Bill of Rights was introduced, it is clear that the purpose of the Second Amendment was to protect individual rights."
A court case presented to the Supreme Court, found here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District... ) better outlined the second amendment. Take a look at the decision, it basically states,
"The Supreme Court held:
(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53."
You can interpret it how you wish, but the Supreme Court holds up to this model, protecting the right to bear arms in a way that's consistent with protecting free speech.
Jive_Turkey
April 1, 2013 at 2:05 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Horrified church congregation watches son kill father after Easter service in Ashtabula
Prayers go out to the families involved.
It's a shame this thread has to turn into pro/anti gun from the get-go.
This is not the NRA's fault, it is Reshad Little's fault. How can you blame an organization that stands up for our second amendment rights? Imagine our country without the second amendment. Do you like tyranny?
More guns is not the answer, I agree. But painting every gun owner with the same broad stroke as you would with Reshad Little and all these other mentally incompetent individuals who commit these types of crimes is wrong. You and the media do a great job and causing panic and hysteria. Guns aren't evil. I've never heard of a gun walking into a public domain and doing harm. It's the individual that's the problem.
April 1, 2013 at 11:28 a.m. permalink suggest removal
UPDATED | 2 Steubenville football players sentenced for rape
uselesseater,
I first saw your comment on my iPhone and had to log onto my iMac to respond to your idiotic message.
More urban and public school trash? Most of the country is educated through the public school system and not every urban area is considered trash.
Secondly, I thought you were attempting to be sarcastic then I realized you must be serious when you asked "Digital penetration? What in the heck is that? Do kids these day not have fleshly members for penetration? Do they have to resort to using their i-devices?".
I'm not even sure how to respond to your comments. They are just so dumb.
March 17, 2013 at 12:09 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Warren police investigating shooting by 5-year-old boy
@ Ytownnative,
Thank you. Your the only person in this thread with real sense.
The real issue is improper use of guns. This could have easily been avoided if the Aunt didn't have a gun, presumably, under her seat where a 5 year old could reach under and grab it.
Her possession of the gun is another issue. Was it properly purchased? Registered? Does she have a permit to carry a concealed gun?
All of the people beating the "ban guns" proverbial drum need a reality check. Guns don't kill people - people will people. In fact, tobacco and alcohol use kills people at a significantly higher volume than guns do.
I'll leave on this side note; why would you want to disarm the largest militia in the world? In WWII, Japan Fleet Admiral and Commander in Chief of the IJN was quoted saying, "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Now I know this is a different era and the threat of invasion is practically nil, but we cannot forgot how this country was forged. My solution is simple: state mandated sanctions on gun purchases, banning automatic weapons, instituting background checks that incorporate histories of mental illnesses, and mandatory safety courses for every potential gun owner. In addition, gun manufacturers/retailers need to sell chamber locks with every item.
This list could expand ten-fold, but you get the jest.
December 28, 2012 at 12:40 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU frat shooter will spend life in prison
Just a terrible tragedy. At least witnesses decided to speak out against the shooter/s which resulted in a stiff penalty for at least one of the defendants.
December 14, 2012 at 1:25 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Warren mayor provides $3,000 toward recruitment of minorities to safety forces
How is this allowed to happen? Looking at this scenario: If I was competing with a minority for this position, and I was the clear cut choice, I would be overlooked simply because I'm white and they need more blacks, hispanics, indians, etc in this field? Why should I be punished for qualifying for a position? Isn't this discrimination? I guess the same logic can be - and is -applied for federal grants and student loans...
I hope the city can dignify their decision to base employment mainly, if not solely, on race.
December 10, 2012 at 9:09 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Doors to close on Youngstown tradition
As part of the "Youth", I have to admit I knew of this club, but never had an opportunity to see the facility, meet the members, or learn more about it. It's a shame they are going through financial turmoil, perhaps if they reached out to non-members such as myself, who are socially active in the community, etc, they wouldn't have such an issue with recruiting members and generating revenue.
I belong to several other clubs and traditionally a member has to sponsor a non-member in order for them to be considered for membership. Maybe that's the problem: older members with limited networks.
If the YC replicated what fraternities do such as hosting mixers and having social events, I'm sure they would generate the interest needed to continue this century long tradition.
Too bad they called it quits. I would have loved an opportunity to get involved.
November 15, 2012 at 9:08 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Final push for the presidency
Demanipulatedcrats need to wake up......
November 6, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. permalink suggest removal