He is a sick freak who does not belong in society. I agree with factcheck that statutes should not exist when it comes to crimes against minors. There should be NO limitation. If that were the case, Dale would be sitting in jail instead of on his sofa watching football.
Liveyourbestlife, I am so sorry for your friend and what she has gone through. Also am sorry for all the other women who had to deal with this horrible abuse. Hopefully, all of these things will come out in court and justice will prevail. It is amazing that one person can have this much power over the lives of so many people. I pray for the victims and the congregation. Hopefully the entire congregation will eventually understand what happened,start the healing process, and get back to doing the work of the Lord.
Eric, If I told you what I know about Dale, would you believe me, or would you think I was just making things up to stir the pot? How do you know that I stood by without saying a word? And notme2judge, you are doing exactly what you are accusing others of.....judging. I don't think people are trying to tear the congregation apart; I think they are pointing things out that people have the right as members to ask about their own church. After all, the PEOPLE are the church....just as you said.
This so-called pastor has been raping, pillaging and plundering for 30years. Don't let this fool break up such a wonderful congregation. Now is the time to get together, pick it up, and make Zion the best it can be. Wipe the slate clean and start anew. He is no longer there to dictate. Remember, the PEOPLE are the church, not the pastor, although Dale thought the other way around. I pray to God that the church will survive. You CAN make it work!
psych There has been a mass exodus from this church that started quite a few years ago. hmmm......????? Kind of makes you wonder. If you only knew, you would have left as well. These people really aren't making this stuff up, as you seem to suggest.
lilduff, I am not discounting that you are as hurt as anyone else in this matter, maybe even more so. My point is that things can happen, even in the church. I respect you as a young person for standing up for what you think is right. I certainly hope you are right. Every person is innocent until proven guilty in this country, last time I checked.
Lilduff, take no offense, but it sounds like you are very young and possibly a bit naive. Of course your former pastor would not make any hint of inappropriate behavior in the midst of a crowd at a gathering place. People who are rapists will pick on people who obviously are vulnerable and an easy target. He is not going to pick on you, with a Father who is a life long Zion member, and probably contributes heavily to the church. He will pick on someone from a broken family; someone who he can easily influence and control. As Valerie says it is about control. With Dale, it was about POWER and CONTROL. So lilduff, the only way you can get through the pain and disbelief is to not just look at it emotionally, but look at the true reality of the situation. Is it impossible that a Pastor could do such a despicable thing? Yes, evil things CAN happen in the midst of something that is very good. I have read all these posts and many have brought up the fact that there are many at Zion that need to OPEN THEIR EYES! AMEN! Pray that the legal system gets to the bottom of this, so it never can happen again. Pray for Dale, but especially for Dale's wife, the congregation, and most of all, for the accuser. If all of this is true, this women spent many years in pure agony with all the suffering she has gone through. Her coming forward has probably been preceded by many years of therapy and some intense soul searching. lilduff, think of her when you start to feel sorry for Dale. Remember, as the saying goes, "Power tends to corrupt;absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Ex-pastor pleads to assault, gets no jail time
Factcheck, what is the statute of limitations for crimes against minors?
November 11, 2009 at 6:37 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Ex-pastor pleads to assault, gets no jail time
He is a sick freak who does not belong in society. I agree with factcheck that statutes should not exist when it comes to crimes against minors. There should be NO limitation. If that were the case, Dale would be sitting in jail instead of on his sofa watching football.
November 8, 2009 at 5:14 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ex-pastor pleads innocent to rapes
Liveyourbestlife,
I am so sorry for your friend and what she has gone through. Also am sorry for all the other women who had to deal with this horrible abuse. Hopefully, all of these things will come out in court and justice will prevail. It is amazing that one person can have this much power over the lives of so many people. I pray for the victims and the congregation. Hopefully the entire congregation will eventually understand what happened,start the healing process, and get back to doing the work of the Lord.
March 26, 2009 at 3:57 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ex-pastor pleads innocent to rapes
Eric,
If I told you what I know about Dale, would you believe me, or would you think I was just making things up to stir the pot? How do you know that I stood by without saying a word? And notme2judge, you are doing exactly what you are accusing others of.....judging. I don't think people are trying to tear the congregation apart; I think they are pointing things out that people have the right as members to ask about their own church. After all, the PEOPLE are the church....just as you said.
March 14, 2009 at 5:55 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ex-pastor pleads innocent to rapes
This so-called pastor has been raping, pillaging and plundering for 30years. Don't let this fool break up such a wonderful congregation. Now is the time to get together, pick it up, and make Zion the best it can be. Wipe the slate clean and start anew. He is no longer there to dictate. Remember, the PEOPLE are the church, not the pastor, although Dale thought the other way around. I pray to God that the church will survive. You CAN make it work!
March 1, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
psych
There has been a mass exodus from this church that started quite a few years ago. hmmm......????? Kind of makes you wonder. If you only knew, you would have left as well. These people really aren't making this stuff up, as you seem to suggest.
February 26, 2009 at 6:01 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
lilduff,
I am not discounting that you are as hurt as anyone else in this matter, maybe even more so. My point is that things can happen, even in the church. I respect you as a young person for standing up for what you think is right. I certainly hope you are right. Every person is innocent until proven guilty in this country, last time I checked.
February 22, 2009 at 7:16 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Former pastor Giffin faces 6 rape charges
Lilduff, take no offense, but it sounds like you are very young and possibly a bit naive. Of course your former pastor would not make any hint of inappropriate behavior in the midst of a crowd at a gathering place. People who are rapists will pick on people who obviously are vulnerable and an easy target. He is not going to pick on you, with a Father who is a life long Zion member, and probably contributes heavily to the church. He will pick on someone from a broken family; someone who he can easily influence and control. As Valerie says it is about control. With Dale, it was about POWER and CONTROL. So lilduff, the only way you can get through the pain and disbelief is to not just look at it emotionally, but look at the true reality of the situation. Is it impossible that a Pastor could do such a despicable thing? Yes, evil things CAN happen in the midst of something that is very good. I have read all these posts and many have brought up the fact that there are many at Zion that need to OPEN THEIR EYES! AMEN! Pray that the legal system gets to the bottom of this, so it never can happen again. Pray for Dale, but especially for Dale's wife, the congregation, and most of all, for the accuser. If all of this is true, this women spent many years in pure agony with all the suffering she has gone through. Her coming forward has probably been preceded by many years of therapy and some intense soul searching. lilduff, think of her when you start to feel sorry for Dale. Remember, as the saying goes, "Power tends to corrupt;absolute power corrupts absolutely."
February 22, 2009 at 4:05 p.m. permalink suggest removal