Sorry Ben, but the evidence gathered thus far is that the injection well on Ohio Works Drive is very likely associated with the seismic activity in that area. Apparently the ODNR is sufficiently convinced that this is so, because they have ordered a halt to use the D&L wells within a seven mile radius. While there are many wells being used for disposal of oil field brine in Ohio, there are just a very few that have been drilled to 9300 feet, so the experience at that geologic level is unknown. Additionally, most of the wells have been used for years were depleted oil and gas wells, that are now being refilled with oil field waste. On the other hand, these new wells like that on Ohio Works drive, have never been producing wells, so millions of gallons of waste are being forced underground with literally no place to go. Yes, we are blessed and our thankfulness and gratitude for that should be to act responsibly with these gifts. Grab and run is just disrespectful.
The point of the article is simply that the D&L Energy well on Ohio Works drive is fairly unique compared with other Saltwater Injection wells in Ohio. DEEPER MORE VOLUME POROSITY The oil interests would try to satisfy the concerned by saying that there are 170 injection wells in Ohio, but they don't tell you that these D&L wells are not like the others. Just as the oil interests will try to placate the public with the assertion that fracking has been used for 40 plus years, but what they don't discuss is that horizontal fracking using millions of gallons of fluids is just in it's infancy. The vast majority of the fracking wells are vertical and employ relatively small amounts of fracking fluids.
You can bet that the pressure is on to get the D&L well on Market Street operational ASAP. Prudence would demand that the sensitive seismic monitoring around that well should begin now, to establish a baseline, before millions of gallons are pumped at that well.
Another part of the problem is that the state wants the revenues generated by the "tipping" fees for out-of state waste. So the state is trying to balance the prospect of immediate revenue with that of harm being done to the environment and property values.
A LOT more needs to be learned about the well on Ohio Works drive, before another one is brought on- line on Market Street.
To Muskiemouth: Google "Do members of congress participate insocial security?"
from the ssa website: "Question 5: Is it true that members of Congress DO NOT have to pay into Social Security?
A: No, it is not true. All members of Congress, the President and Vice President, Federal judges, and most political appointees, were covered under the Social Security program starting in January 1984. THEY PAY INTO THE SYSTEM JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Thus all members of Congress, no matter how long they have been in office, have been paying into the Social Security system since January 1984.
Try Factcheck, try snopes, the answer is the same.
To Muskiemouth: Re your comment "If Congressional members were participants of Social Security ...". Can you tell us how many congressional members are NOT participants?
It's obvious that a study needs to try to answer the question: Did the injection well stimulate seismic activity? Frankly, I think that ODNR should select and pay the investigators, then demand reimbursement from D & L Energy. Simply said, no rembursement, no further consideration of lifting a ban on the wells that are within the 5 mile radius. One thing that should be learned from this incident is that the study should be done BEFORE the drilling occurs.
There are two more D & L Saltwater Injection wells here in the valley that are starting up that are not included in the current ban. One is next to the turnpike exit on Market street, the other is in Springfield where there is significant underground limestone mining. Geologic and seismic study of these areas prior to commencement of operations is imperative. ODNR should commission these studies and bill the applicant (D & L Energy) for the costs.
My wife and I felt it (shake) here in New Middletown as well. By the way, the permit issued for the new D&L Brine wastewater well in Springfield is at the end of Springfield Road on the Lila Lipply property. The GPS coordinates place it within 100 yards of Pine Lake. So the tanker traffic would probably run on Springfield road and probably Garfield.
What is the salinity of the discharge water (water sent to Warren treatment) generated by Patriot's process? Is Patriot's discharge to Warren treatment facilities safe to drink? Why does this water (Patriot's "product")need another treatment before being discharged to local streams, or does it? Lastly, would the Ohio State laws forbid a well operator from doing the same thing,albeit "on site"?
Congratulations to the 910th for a fine Open House! The tens of thousands that got a good up-close look at the discipline and professionalism of their armed forces could not fail to be filled with pride. The men and women of our military earn our gratitude each in every day.
Honor system for taxes on drilling produces disparities
Is the point of this article that no one (of authority) actually reads the meters on the wells to determine the tax to be paid?
Sounds like sending the fox to the hen house to count the eggs.
February 6, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Don’t blame quakes on fracking
Sorry Ben, but the evidence gathered thus far is that the injection well on Ohio Works Drive is very likely associated with the seismic activity in that area.
Apparently the ODNR is sufficiently convinced that this is so, because they have ordered a halt to use the D&L wells within a seven mile radius.
While there are many wells being used for disposal of oil field brine in Ohio, there are just a very few that have been drilled to 9300 feet, so the experience at that geologic level is unknown. Additionally, most of the wells have been used for years were depleted oil and gas wells, that are now being refilled with oil field waste. On the other hand, these new wells like that on Ohio Works drive, have never been producing wells, so millions of gallons of waste are being forced underground with literally no place to go.
Yes, we are blessed and our thankfulness and gratitude for that should be to act responsibly with these gifts. Grab and run is just disrespectful.
February 3, 2012 at 7:51 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Injection wells not new to Valley, so why are we all shook up
The point of the article is simply that the D&L Energy well on Ohio Works drive is fairly unique compared with other Saltwater Injection wells in Ohio.
DEEPER
MORE VOLUME
POROSITY
The oil interests would try to satisfy the concerned by saying that there are 170 injection wells in Ohio, but they don't tell you that these D&L wells are not like the others.
Just as the oil interests will try to placate the public with the assertion that fracking has been used for 40 plus years, but what they don't discuss is that horizontal fracking using millions of gallons of fluids is just in it's infancy. The vast majority of the fracking wells are vertical and employ relatively small amounts of fracking fluids.
You can bet that the pressure is on to get the D&L well on Market Street operational ASAP. Prudence would demand that the sensitive seismic monitoring around that well should begin now, to establish a baseline, before millions of gallons are pumped at that well.
Another part of the problem is that the state wants the revenues generated by the "tipping" fees for out-of state waste.
So the state is trying to balance the prospect of immediate revenue with that of harm being done to the environment and property values.
A LOT more needs to be learned about the well on Ohio Works drive, before another one is brought on- line on Market Street.
January 8, 2012 at 4:41 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Santorum pushing for immediate cuts to Social Security
To Muskiemouth:
Google "Do members of congress participate insocial security?"
from the ssa website:
"Question 5: Is it true that members of Congress DO NOT have to pay into Social Security?
A: No, it is not true. All members of Congress, the President and Vice President, Federal judges, and most political appointees, were covered under the Social Security program starting in January 1984. THEY PAY INTO THE SYSTEM JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Thus all members of Congress, no matter how long they have been in office, have been paying into the Social Security system since January 1984.
Try Factcheck, try snopes, the answer is the same.
January 7, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Santorum pushing for immediate cuts to Social Security
To Muskiemouth: Re your comment "If Congressional members were participants of Social Security ...".
Can you tell us how many congressional members are NOT participants?
January 7, 2012 at 1:51 p.m. permalink suggest removal
D&L rails at Hagan, mayor
It's obvious that a study needs to try to answer the question: Did the injection well stimulate seismic activity? Frankly, I think that ODNR should select and pay the investigators, then demand reimbursement from D & L Energy. Simply said, no rembursement, no further consideration of lifting a ban on the wells that are within the 5 mile radius.
One thing that should be learned from this incident is that the study should be done BEFORE the drilling occurs.
There are two more D & L Saltwater Injection wells here in the valley that are starting up that are not included in the current ban. One is next to the turnpike exit on Market street, the other is in Springfield where there is significant underground limestone mining. Geologic and seismic study of these areas prior to commencement of operations is imperative. ODNR should commission these studies and bill the applicant (D & L Energy) for the costs.
January 6, 2012 at 10:29 a.m. permalink suggest removal
D&L halts operations at Youngstown brine well
My wife and I felt it (shake) here in New Middletown as well.
By the way, the permit issued for the new D&L Brine wastewater well in Springfield is at the end of Springfield Road on the Lila Lipply property. The GPS coordinates place it within 100 yards of Pine Lake. So the tanker traffic would probably run on Springfield road and probably Garfield.
December 31, 2011 at 3:45 p.m. permalink suggest removal
What Does Patriot Do ?
What is the salinity of the discharge water (water sent to Warren treatment) generated by Patriot's process?
Is Patriot's discharge to Warren treatment facilities safe to drink?
Why does this water (Patriot's "product")need another treatment before being discharged to local streams, or does it?
Lastly, would the Ohio State laws forbid a well operator from doing the same thing,albeit "on site"?
November 3, 2011 at 9:23 a.m. permalink suggest removal
All branches of military play role in diversity of Thunder Over the Valley
Congratulations to the 910th for a fine Open House!
The tens of thousands that got a good up-close look at the discipline and professionalism of their armed forces could not fail to be filled with pride. The men and women of our military earn our gratitude each in every day.
August 10, 2009 at 1:34 p.m. permalink suggest removal