Give it up all ready oviets, that train was debunked days ago.
September 12, 2015 at 10:06 p.m.
The silence is deafening..
If you can not show proof that there is widespread "stealing" of american jobs by illegal immigrants then maybe it just a MYTH.
If you can not show proof that there is a higher violent crime rate among illegal immigrants then maybe it is just a MYTH.
If you can not show proof that there is significant voter fraud committed by illegal immigrants then maybe it is just a MYTH.
And finally to the point of the original post, if you can not show proof that the 14th amendment has been misinterpreted by the Supreme Court, then maybe that too is just a figment of imagination.
I've said that I'm willing to be swayed, all I ask is some solid evidence. That's what debates are about, but you've offered nothing.
Your silence is convincing.
September 5, 2015 at 9:21 a.m.
As I recall the assertion was that voting by illegal immigrants is rampant. As far as I can tell you've been able to find two.
BTW, 18 hours ago I cited the Republican National Laywers Association (rnla.org) as your source - so no "breaking news" there.
So at this point, I don't think that you've been able to demonstrate that there are sufficient cases of illegal immigrants who are proved to be voting to warrant mass deportations, building of border walls, Elian Gonzalas type raids, and FEDEX style tracking.
I'd be more inclined to align with the anti-immigrant, mass deportation, suspension of the constitution, faction if I could be given evidence that illegal immigrants are "stealing" americans jobs.
As theft is a crime, perhaps the Republican Laywers have some data on how widespread this "stealing" actually exists.
I'd be more inclined toward the Trump immigration stance if there was some proof that the illegal immigrants are committing violent crimes at a higher rate than the "american citizen" population.
September 3, 2015 at 3:36 p.m.
oviets, these are the key words:"illegal immigrant" - as a phrasevotednational electionconvicted
September 2, 2015 at 8:49 p.m.
Now I understand why oviets has declined to state the sources....they are cut and pasted from:The Republican Nation Lawyers Association
and as cambridge said, accused is not convicted, emigrated is not the same as illegal and (I will add) application is not the same as voting.
So it is now 2015, and oviets citation says "she is expected to enter a plea on Feb 16 2012". Well apparently that didn't happen because now 2.5 years later her case is still listed as pending in Lewis court.
So you are back at two.
September 2, 2015 at 8:45 p.m.
Credit where it is due, oviets has found two examples.Personally I'd not consider that to be rampant, however two out of 131 million is not zero. Almost zero, but not quite.
BTW, it turns out that Hernandez (aka Severo Benavidez), was a small business owner (2 companies) , was a "job creator"
My challenge still stands, explain why we taxpayers should spend almost a trillion dollars to prevent a couple of illegal immigrants from voting and a mythological "theft" of american jobs.
I'm open to changing my mind, all I ask is sufficient proof that the expense and effort is proportional to the actual problem.
September 2, 2015 at 10:15 a.m.
@oviets,Good work, finally found one vote out of 131 million.
So if I restate the assertion (from above): " an illegal alien did vote" - we found one.
I also seem to recall the assertion that voter fraud by illegal aliens is not being prosecuted. Well, I guess that the case of Lopez-Munguia blows that up.
September 1, 2015 at 4:22 p.m.
And that's what causes me to also challenge the assertion that "illegal immigrants are stealing jobs that american citizens really want".
Has that meme been repeated so often that many people have come to believe it to be a fact?
So I'm still waiting for evidence of the assertion, and more importantly that the "theft" is significantly frequent to warrant it to be such a national problem that must be addressed by constitutional amendment and/or concentration camps and mass deportations.
September 1, 2015 at 12:44 p.m.
Neither could I, but tnmartin and oviets are still looking.
Maybe. Since they are the ones (here) pushing the notion.
August 31, 2015 at 8:09 p.m.
I still challenge you to find cases of illegal aliens voting.
So tn, this challenge is for you as well.
thmartin just said: "..ILLEGAL ALIENS, are and have been voting."
Prove it, provide your sources.
August 31, 2015 at 6:23 p.m.