@Metz10987 You said, "...Drilling has happened it is called VERTICAL well drilling not HORIZONTAL well drilling..." . So, for several decades Vertical Fracking has been OK but now YOU declare, without any proof, that Horizontal Fracking needs to be banned all together. Really? There are now, 282 Horizontally Fracked Wells that prove you are WRONG. And now your reason is, "We do not want this dirty industry here". You call this industry "dirty" but you offer no proof. You, and others like you, are in the minority opinion. . You are just another ignorant hypocrite. . By day you complain about the O&G industry and at night you go home and relax in all of the comfort the O&G industry provides. . You, and every like you, want to go back to living in caves and burning wood to cook your meals? Because that is all that you would have without the O&G industry.
@2fer1, "... As usual the taxpayer will be obligated to increase their taxes to provide protection ..."
Oil & Gas drilling has been occuring for 50 years. So, what "new protection" is the tax payer going to need to pay for? You just made that up! Another whiner with no facts.
Oh and by the way, I do pay taxes on my royalties. But that ain't enough for you? And now you want to confiscate more of my money? You behave just like a communist!
"... We need to tax this industry ..." In response, I think we should TAX what ever business you are employed in. And tax it high enough so that the rest of the citizens in Ohio do not have to pay any State Taxes. Try that one on, "2fer1".
@Cubbies, "... When there is an emergency, I guess those royalty checks can be used to purchase a new home and pay for hospitalization? .." Wrong. No. Royalty checks will not be used. You made that up! Actually, the insurance company will pay for any damage to the home - if there is any. And the insurance company would pay for medical isuses - if there is any. Of the thousands of wells in Ohio how many Blow-Outs have there actually been? And when was a house damaged. And when was there medcial issues? . Nothing in life is 100% safe. Especially, the automobile that ACTUALLY does KILL 90 people every day. So, now you are significantly over-exaggerating any problem with Drill Rigs. Maybe, its because you are not getting any royalties and you are jealous of those who are? So, you attempt to hurt other people. How mean are you?
@Metz10987, "... Sick of the old fracking has been going on for over 60 years and they kniow that they are doing ...". I am sick and tired of people like you stating, WITHOUT ANY FACTS, that the O&G Industry does not know what they are doing after 60 years of drilling and 40 years of fracking. After decades of safe Oil & Gas drilliing in Ohio you claim it is unsafe. PROVE IT!
"... while the process is very similar some minor changes have to be made ...". You yourself admit Vertical & Horizontal Fracking is similar. So now please list ALL / ANY Oil & Gas disasters caused by Vertical Fracking?
"... They are also still figuring out how to drill and what safety measures to take ...". You just made that up! What proof do you have that they do not know how to drill. That is just your uneducated opinion! And what proof do you have that they do not know what safety measures to take. Again, that is just your uneducated opinion. You make outrageous statements and then provide zero proof.
"... And anyone who thinks a drilling rig should be 35 feet from your home...". You just made that up! Please provide evidence that there is Horizontal Drilling Rig 35 feet from a home. The pad is typically 5 acres or more for a Horizontal Drill Rig. Your claim of 35 feet just proves your ignorance.
You are an uniformed protester, complaining by day, and then relaxing at home in the comforts that the industry provides.
".. The difference between the old drilling and modern fracking is the difference in magnitude between the atom bomb, and the hydrogen bomb ..". George you obviously made that up out of thin air. Neither fracking process is like a bomb. Not the Atom Bomb and not Hydrogen Bob. You have no clue what you are talking about. So you use scare tactics like comparing fracking to the Atom Bomb. . And to prove more of your ignorance... " ...if you support drilling, then ask them to place a drilling pad or waste injection well in your front yard...". I DID ask!!! And I am in a Horizontal Production Unit. I asked for the Pad to be in my front yard. But they put on my neighbors property because he has more acreage than I have. The lateral goes under my property. And my other neighbors do have older wells.
We undertstand it - we don't fear it.
You are just like the others. Carry a protest sign during the day and then go home and enjoy the comforts of what you were just protesting.
All of you protesters of O&G drilling are ingnorant hypocrites.
@ytownsteelman, ".. I really do not understand why so many are against this industry. ... ". They have become professional complainers. They do not understand science and so they are are afraid of what they do not undertstand.
"... Although most of my original post here was in the form of questions and none have been answered yet ... "
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Actually, your "questions" are negative statements with an agenda, disguised as questions.
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"...Well, who's funding all of this drilling?..." <- The Kilbbler Well is operated by Halcon. This is public knowledge. . "... Who is ripping up large portions of the American landscape for an energy source that is now antiquated? .. " <- Wow, 2 statements - both negative. FIRST - By "ripping up large portions of the land" you mean like when GM "ripped up the land" to build the Assembly Plant (and pollutes the river) or like when the developer "ripped up the land" for your home? SECOND - You imply, Natural Gas, Propane, Butane, Gasoline and Fuel Oils are antiquated. So, how do you heat your home, cook your food and fuel your vehicle? With COAL OR WOOD? . "...Where are they from?..." <- Halcon has an office just across the Oh-Pa border. Again, Public knowledge. . "..Is this supposed cache of gas & oil a payoff to those from abroad whom a few Americans owe lots of money?..." <- FIRST - " this supposed cache". There is good evidence that Gas & Oil is there unless you have some "inside information" that it is not there. I am sure you do not have an "inside source" that knows exactly where the Oil & Gas is or isn't. The only way to find out is to drill. SECOND - No, it is not a pay-off. Why do you imply that it is a pay-off? . "...If so, I'd say the individuals in each community affected by this are pretty much on their own..." <- HUH? Who in the government do think is required to "baby-sit" you? . "...After all, what on earth is a fire chief going to do for hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of people at a moment's notice?..." <- It is your responsibility to have a Family Evacuation Plan during an emergency. You need more "baby-sitting" do you? . "...Any fresh water for these people would just have to be taken from someone else who also needs it..." <- And we finally get to the "Fracking will ruin the fresh water", nonsense. There are 272 freshly drilled Horizontal wells in Ohio that prove you are wrong. I guess, facts mean nothing since you already have a negative agenda. Repeat a lie often enough and then the News media will repeat it. . "...Fracking has created one big ugly mess, both in speculation and in reality. ..." I have visited over 50 horizontal wells in Ohio, at all stages of development, and I do not see the "big ugly mess". So, when they were building the Lordstown Assembly Plant that was a "big ugly mess", too? When they cleared the land for your house that was a "big ugly mess", too? . Your like the person that loudly complains about how sausage is made, but then you go home and consume your fair share daily! . I am thinking of term ... hmmm ... is it ... hypocrite ?
{ ... If there’s a blowout, where do people go?”, Williams asked. ...}
Where would you go when your neighbor's trailer blows up because it is a Meth-Lab? I suggest, you go in the opposite direction of the flames that are shooting out of the windows of the Math Lab. Do you really need the fire chief to tell you, "Do not walk towards the flame like a moth!" ?
@76Ytown, I really like your analogy to a Household Budget ...
Annual family income: $29,000 Family spending: $38,000 New debt in 2013: $9,000 Credit card debt: $164,430 Mortgage (on the future): $868,000 Cutting expenses: $150
Wow, those are some scary numbers !!! Most people who earn $29,000 cannot even get that deep into debt even if the tried. The only difference is ... . WE can't print more Monopoly Money like the FED does, to cover our debts.
@Sensible, "... @Gman, My suspicions are that you are not receiving Social Security or covered by Medicare. Most benificiaries think that the Federal Government does a pretty good job with those programs, and would not like to see them abandoned.
Your attack on Federal, State, and local governmental employees (which by the way includes our military personel) is unfair and unwarrented. ..."
I did NOT attack the people on Social Security, or the people on Medicare, or the Government Employees. I attacked the FRAUDULENT way the Federal Government has created several PONZI SCHEMES by 1) over-promising retirement benefits, 2) over-promising health care and 3) creating new government "jobs" to appease VOTERS ( just to get re-elected ) by using BORROWED money (with interest) from our children and grandchildren. That is the definition of a PONZI Scheme! We are forced to participate in these illegal PONZI schemes by threat of jail time whether we like it or not. I do not like it! And if you love your children and grandchildren then you should not like being forced into a PONZI scheme either.
And BTW, the SURPLUS Social Security money that has been collected from the Baby Boomers for the past 25 years has all been SPENT by Congress. Every dime has been SPENT! And they still need to borrow 40% of every dollar they spend. You are INSANE to even think that Congress has done a "pretty good job". The UNFUNDED Liability for Medicare is about $30 TRILLION!!! The UNFUNDED Liability for Social Security is about $8 TRILLION!!! If you call that doing "well you" then have no common sense.
Shale drilling controversies — who's wrong, who's right
@Metz10987
You said, "...Drilling has happened it is called VERTICAL well drilling not HORIZONTAL well drilling..." . So, for several decades Vertical Fracking has been OK but now YOU declare, without any proof, that Horizontal Fracking needs to be banned all together. Really? There are now, 282 Horizontally Fracked Wells that prove you are WRONG. And now your reason is, "We do not want this dirty industry here". You call this industry "dirty" but you offer no proof. You, and others like you, are in the minority opinion.
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You are just another ignorant hypocrite.
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By day you complain about the O&G industry and at night you go home and relax in all of the comfort the O&G industry provides.
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You, and every like you, want to go back to living in caves and burning wood to cook your meals? Because that is all that you would have without the O&G industry.
April 8, 2013 at 10:10 a.m. permalink suggest removal
McDonald man asks: Is Lordstown ready if oil evacuation needed?
@2fer1,
"... As usual the taxpayer will be obligated to increase their taxes to provide protection ..."
Oil & Gas drilling has been occuring for 50 years. So, what "new protection" is the tax payer going to need to pay for? You just made that up! Another whiner with no facts.
Oh and by the way, I do pay taxes on my royalties. But that ain't enough for you? And now you want to confiscate more of my money? You behave just like a communist!
"... We need to tax this industry ..."
In response, I think we should TAX what ever business you are employed in. And tax it high enough so that the rest of the citizens in Ohio do not have to pay any State Taxes. Try that one on, "2fer1".
March 31, 2013 at 10:35 a.m. permalink suggest removal
McDonald man asks: Is Lordstown ready if oil evacuation needed?
@Cubbies,
"... When there is an emergency, I guess those royalty checks can be used to purchase a new home and pay for hospitalization? .." Wrong. No. Royalty checks will not be used. You made that up! Actually, the insurance company will pay for any damage to the home - if there is any. And the insurance company would pay for medical isuses - if there is any. Of the thousands of wells in Ohio how many Blow-Outs have there actually been? And when was a house damaged. And when was there medcial issues?
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Nothing in life is 100% safe. Especially, the automobile that ACTUALLY does KILL 90 people every day. So, now you are significantly over-exaggerating any problem with Drill Rigs. Maybe, its because you are not getting any royalties and you are jealous of those who are? So, you attempt to hurt other people. How mean are you?
March 31, 2013 at 10:10 a.m. permalink suggest removal
McDonald man asks: Is Lordstown ready if oil evacuation needed?
@Metz10987,
"... Sick of the old fracking has been going on for over 60 years and they kniow that they are doing ...". I am sick and tired of people like you stating, WITHOUT ANY FACTS, that the O&G Industry does not know what they are doing after 60 years of drilling and 40 years of fracking. After decades of safe Oil & Gas drilliing in Ohio you claim it is unsafe. PROVE IT!
"... while the process is very similar some minor changes have to be made ...". You yourself admit Vertical & Horizontal Fracking is similar. So now please list ALL / ANY Oil & Gas disasters caused by Vertical Fracking?
"... They are also still figuring out how to drill and what safety measures to take ...". You just made that up! What proof do you have that they do not know how to drill. That is just your uneducated opinion! And what proof do you have that they do not know what safety measures to take. Again, that is just your uneducated opinion. You make outrageous statements and then provide zero proof.
"... And anyone who thinks a drilling rig should be 35 feet from your home...". You just made that up! Please provide evidence that there is Horizontal Drilling Rig 35 feet from a home. The pad is typically 5 acres or more for a Horizontal Drill Rig. Your claim of 35 feet just proves your ignorance.
You are an uniformed protester, complaining by day, and then relaxing at home in the comforts that the industry provides.
... another "ignorant hypocrite" .
March 30, 2013 at 7:19 p.m. permalink suggest removal
McDonald man asks: Is Lordstown ready if oil evacuation needed?
@GeorgeInYoungstown,
".. The difference between the old drilling and modern fracking is the difference in magnitude between the atom bomb, and the hydrogen bomb ..". George you obviously made that up out of thin air. Neither fracking process is like a bomb. Not the Atom Bomb and not Hydrogen Bob. You have no clue what you are talking about. So you use scare tactics like comparing fracking to the Atom Bomb.
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And to prove more of your ignorance...
" ...if you support drilling, then ask them to place a drilling pad or waste injection well in your front yard...". I DID ask!!! And I am in a Horizontal Production Unit. I asked for the Pad to be in my front yard. But they put on my neighbors property because he has more acreage than I have. The lateral goes under my property. And my other neighbors do have older wells.
We undertstand it - we don't fear it.
You are just like the others. Carry a protest sign during the day and then go home and enjoy the comforts of what you were just protesting.
All of you protesters of O&G drilling are ingnorant hypocrites.
March 30, 2013 at 4:35 p.m. permalink suggest removal
McDonald man asks: Is Lordstown ready if oil evacuation needed?
@ytownsteelman,
".. I really do not understand why so many are against this industry. ... ". They have become professional complainers. They do not understand science and so they are are afraid of what they do not undertstand.
March 30, 2013 at 4:18 p.m. permalink suggest removal
McDonald man asks: Is Lordstown ready if oil evacuation needed?
Debbie,
"... Although most of my original post here was in the form of questions and none have been answered yet ... "
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Actually, your "questions" are negative statements with an agenda, disguised as questions.
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"...Well, who's funding all of this drilling?..." <- The Kilbbler Well is operated by Halcon. This is public knowledge.
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"... Who is ripping up large portions of the American landscape for an energy source that is now antiquated? .. " <- Wow, 2 statements - both negative. FIRST - By "ripping up large portions of the land" you mean like when GM "ripped up the land" to build the Assembly Plant (and pollutes the river) or like when the developer "ripped up the land" for your home? SECOND - You imply, Natural Gas, Propane, Butane, Gasoline and Fuel Oils are antiquated. So, how do you heat your home, cook your food and fuel your vehicle? With COAL OR WOOD?
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"...Where are they from?..." <- Halcon has an office just across the Oh-Pa border. Again, Public knowledge.
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"..Is this supposed cache of gas & oil a payoff to those from abroad whom a few Americans owe lots of money?..." <- FIRST - " this supposed cache". There is good evidence that Gas & Oil is there unless you have some "inside information" that it is not there. I am sure you do not have an "inside source" that knows exactly where the Oil & Gas is or isn't. The only way to find out is to drill. SECOND - No, it is not a pay-off. Why do you imply that it is a pay-off?
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"...If so, I'd say the individuals in each community affected by this are pretty much on their own..." <-
HUH? Who in the government do think is required to "baby-sit" you?
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"...After all, what on earth is a fire chief going to do for hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of people at a moment's notice?..." <- It is your responsibility to have a Family Evacuation Plan during an emergency. You need more "baby-sitting" do you?
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"...Any fresh water for these people would just have to be taken from someone else who also needs it..." <- And we finally get to the "Fracking will ruin the fresh water", nonsense. There are 272 freshly drilled Horizontal wells in Ohio that prove you are wrong. I guess, facts mean nothing since you already have a negative agenda. Repeat a lie often enough and then the News media will repeat it.
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"...Fracking has created one big ugly mess, both in speculation and in reality. ..." I have visited over 50 horizontal wells in Ohio, at all stages of development, and I do not see the "big ugly mess". So, when they were building the Lordstown Assembly Plant that was a "big ugly mess", too? When they cleared the land for your house that was a "big ugly mess", too?
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Your like the person that loudly complains about how sausage is made, but then you go home and consume your fair share daily!
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I am thinking of term ... hmmm ... is it ... hypocrite ?
March 28, 2013 at 1:23 p.m. permalink suggest removal
McDonald man asks: Is Lordstown ready if oil evacuation needed?
William,
{ ... If there’s a blowout, where do people go?”, Williams asked. ...}
Where would you go when your neighbor's trailer blows up because it is a Meth-Lab? I suggest, you go in the opposite direction of the flames that are shooting out of the windows of the Math Lab. Do you really need the fire chief to tell you, "Do not walk towards the flame like a moth!" ?
March 28, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio would feel severe pain from automatic budget cuts Friday, White House argues
@76Ytown,
I really like your analogy to a Household Budget ...
Annual family income: $29,000
Family spending: $38,000
New debt in 2013: $9,000
Credit card debt: $164,430
Mortgage (on the future): $868,000
Cutting expenses: $150
Wow, those are some scary numbers !!! Most people who earn $29,000 cannot even get that deep into debt even if the tried. The only difference is ...
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WE can't print more Monopoly Money like the FED does, to cover our debts.
March 8, 2013 at 8:21 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Sequester will mean 3 percent cut
@Sensible,
"... @Gman,
My suspicions are that you are not receiving Social Security or covered by Medicare. Most benificiaries think that the Federal Government does a pretty good job with those programs, and would not like to see them abandoned.
Your attack on Federal, State, and local governmental employees (which by the way includes our military personel) is unfair and unwarrented. ..."
I did NOT attack the people on Social Security, or the people on Medicare, or the Government Employees. I attacked the FRAUDULENT way the Federal Government has created several PONZI SCHEMES by 1) over-promising retirement benefits, 2) over-promising health care and 3) creating new government "jobs" to appease VOTERS ( just to get re-elected ) by using BORROWED money (with interest) from our children and grandchildren. That is the definition of a PONZI Scheme! We are forced to participate in these illegal PONZI schemes by threat of jail time whether we like it or not. I do not like it! And if you love your children and grandchildren then you should not like being forced into a PONZI scheme either.
And BTW, the SURPLUS Social Security money that has been collected from the Baby Boomers for the past 25 years has all been SPENT by Congress. Every dime has been SPENT! And they still need to borrow 40% of every dollar they spend. You are INSANE to even think that Congress has done a "pretty good job". The UNFUNDED Liability for Medicare is about $30 TRILLION!!! The UNFUNDED Liability for Social Security is about $8 TRILLION!!! If you call that doing "well you" then have no common sense.
March 6, 2013 at 8:57 a.m. permalink suggest removal