The article "Citizens have right to talk back to police" had nothing to do with citizens fighting police. It had to do with police abusing their power through bogus arrests for disorderly conduct, only to later have those charges promptly dismissed. If police are going to use their power of arrest, the charges should be legitimate, and they should stick.
That being said, from this article it appears that the police acted appropriately. Nothing was said about them beating the students with batons or otherwise manhandling the students. There will always be some whiny parents who will try to file complaints, but those complaints probably won't go anywhere. The students fighting with each other doesn't particularly trouble me. What troubles me is the students had enough gall to physically fight with the police, and those students who were arrested deserve the punishment they receive.
I'm trying to figure out what the problem with the web site is. It is not illegal to drink alcohol, so if there were picture of troopers drinking off duty, so what? I also don't see how sexually-oriented pictures hurts the image of the State Patrol. Are the troopers not allowed to have sex, and instead supposed to immediately go home after work and spend their time knitting in a rocking chair?
It is not uncommon to state one's employer on a social web site. I would understand if the pictures showed the two troopers getting it on while wearing the uniform, having sex in a cruiser, etc. But the article didn't say any of that. It simply said the site stated the OSP as the employer, and another part of the page had some pictures some might disagree with. But that should have nothing to do with the troopers' job performance. Big Brother is once again invading our lives.
And let's not forget...it was George W. Bush who took control of AIG in September for 85 billion. Then in October he signed his 700 billion for the banks. Then in December he gave 17 billion to the auto makers. So who is the socialist fool? Conservatives seem to have very short memories of the Bush administration actions.
I never said I was a liberal. But I am also not a conservative nut job. I see both sides of things, and realize both sides have strengths and weaknesses. I know, you want your ivory inlaid keyboard, blah, blah. Get a job and buy it yourself.
I won't be able to comment again for a while, because I will be at work. You should try it.
ProAmerican, what are you talking about Europeans don't have the luxury to drive American cars? What, cars that are unreliable and fall apart? Wake up. Obviously, Americans don't have the luxury to drive American cars either...Ford is the only American car company that hasn't been in bankruptcy. You really want to compare American cars to the likes of Mercedes, VW, and BMW? Give me a break.
Never once in my time in Europe did I see a women giving birth in an elevator. Europe has a much lower infant mortaliy rate than the US. If women really are giving birth in elevators, they must be a lot better than US delivery rooms.
The EFCA has nothing to do with state law. Even if the EFCA is passed, workers in Southern states will still be able to decide to join the union or not. I am no lover of unions, and I fully support that choice. The EFCA will have no effect.
I revise the statement I made before about you. Not only have you never been to Europe, it sounds like you have never even been out of Youngstown. You are just another talking head .
Stan, I'll tell you how you can sponge money off of the system. Drive on the roads, use the schools, benefit from fire and police protection...wait a minute, you are already doing that. These are all things I am paying for and you are not. Get a job and pay taxes like everyone else. Pay for your own education (like I did) and quit complaining about everyone getting a handout except you. You are such a liberal-whining and complaining about everyone else instead of taking your own initiative.
ProAmerican, have you ever even been to Europe? I have been there many times, including a stint of living there. Let's take your comments one at a time.
Proletariot cars? And you live in Youngstown? LOL. Some of the worldest finest cars are built in Europe. BMWs and Mercedes' are prevalent. They do have a variety of small cars, but so what? I don't see how what they drive is any worse than over here.
Variety of produce? I'm not sure what European supermarket you have been shopping in. The ones I've been in had pretty much the same things as US supermarkets.
Yes, gasoline is very expensive in Europe. However, you have to take it in the context of culture. Their mass transit is excellent, so a large amount of gasoline isn't required. I spent a month in England and never had to get in a car.
Although I never had to have emergency medical care in Europe, I never heard of anyone complain about the speed of their healthcare. Ambulances were always available in an Emergency. But I do know that I had to go to the ER here in the states, and I waited 4 hours for some stitches.
I am quite aware of the EFCA, and it sounds like you have been watching FOX News too much. The EFCA doesn't eliminate the secret ballot; it puts the decision to use the secret ballot in the hands of employees instead of the employers, as is done now. And the secret ballot isn't currently required-the employer can allow unionization through the check card process.
The southern states are different in that workers aren't required to join the union, even if >50% of fellow workers approve. That is why unions have such a hard time getting a foothold in the South. That is a state issue, and has nothing to do with Obama. But the decision to join a union is ALWAYS left to the workers. If less than 50% approve, no union. And that is one of the issues in this article.
What freedoms do we have that Europe doesn't? I have been to Europe countless times. People live longer, crime is lower, and transportation is better. And how are Democrats trying to abolish the secret ballot?
I am no lover of unions, and I think they have done a lot of destruction. But keep in mind, the employees are the ones who vote to unionize. And keep in mind that unionization is directly related to state laws, that is why you hardly ever see unions in the south. What do the democrats have to do with that?
ProAmerican, all you do is make ignorant statements with absolutely nothing to back it up.
No Stan, I never said I was in favor of anybody sponging off of the system. And it is not just liberals who do it. There are Republicans who are also on SSDI, food stamps, and other programs.
I work and pay taxes. From your responses, that is something you don't do. That doesn't sound like much of a conservative to me. Go get a job and pay your share.
Posted on September 3 at 10:43 a.m.
The article "Citizens have right to talk back to police" had nothing to do with citizens fighting police. It had to do with police abusing their power through bogus arrests for disorderly conduct, only to later have those charges promptly dismissed. If police are going to use their power of arrest, the charges should be legitimate, and they should stick.
That being said, from this article it appears that the police acted appropriately. Nothing was said about them beating the students with batons or otherwise manhandling the students. There will always be some whiny parents who will try to file complaints, but those complaints probably won't go anywhere. The students fighting with each other doesn't particularly trouble me. What troubles me is the students had enough gall to physically fight with the police, and those students who were arrested deserve the punishment they receive.
Posted on September 1 at 2:36 p.m.
I'm trying to figure out what the problem with the web site is. It is not illegal to drink alcohol, so if there were picture of troopers drinking off duty, so what? I also don't see how sexually-oriented pictures hurts the image of the State Patrol. Are the troopers not allowed to have sex, and instead supposed to immediately go home after work and spend their time knitting in a rocking chair?
It is not uncommon to state one's employer on a social web site. I would understand if the pictures showed the two troopers getting it on while wearing the uniform, having sex in a cruiser, etc. But the article didn't say any of that. It simply said the site stated the OSP as the employer, and another part of the page had some pictures some might disagree with. But that should have nothing to do with the troopers' job performance. Big Brother is once again invading our lives.
Posted on August 28 at 10:11 a.m.
And let's not forget...it was George W. Bush who took control of AIG in September for 85 billion. Then in October he signed his 700 billion for the banks. Then in December he gave 17 billion to the auto makers. So who is the socialist fool? Conservatives seem to have very short memories of the Bush administration actions.
Posted on August 28 at 10 a.m.
Stan:
"Working for the money to buy the keyboard may open the door to criticism."
That makes no sense. Go get a job and support yourself.
Posted on August 27 at 3:15 a.m.
I never said I was a liberal. But I am also not a conservative nut job. I see both sides of things, and realize both sides have strengths and weaknesses. I know, you want your ivory inlaid keyboard, blah, blah. Get a job and buy it yourself.
I won't be able to comment again for a while, because I will be at work. You should try it.
Posted on August 26 at 4:22 p.m.
ProAmerican, what are you talking about Europeans don't have the luxury to drive American cars? What, cars that are unreliable and fall apart? Wake up. Obviously, Americans don't have the luxury to drive American cars either...Ford is the only American car company that hasn't been in bankruptcy. You really want to compare American cars to the likes of Mercedes, VW, and BMW? Give me a break.
Never once in my time in Europe did I see a women giving birth in an elevator. Europe has a much lower infant mortaliy rate than the US. If women really are giving birth in elevators, they must be a lot better than US delivery rooms.
The EFCA has nothing to do with state law. Even if the EFCA is passed, workers in Southern states will still be able to decide to join the union or not. I am no lover of unions, and I fully support that choice. The EFCA will have no effect.
I revise the statement I made before about you. Not only have you never been to Europe, it sounds like you have never even been out of Youngstown. You are just another talking head .
Posted on August 26 at 12:58 p.m.
Stan, I'll tell you how you can sponge money off of the system. Drive on the roads, use the schools, benefit from fire and police protection...wait a minute, you are already doing that. These are all things I am paying for and you are not. Get a job and pay taxes like everyone else. Pay for your own education (like I did) and quit complaining about everyone getting a handout except you. You are such a liberal-whining and complaining about everyone else instead of taking your own initiative.
Posted on August 26 at 12:40 p.m.
ProAmerican, have you ever even been to Europe? I have been there many times, including a stint of living there. Let's take your comments one at a time.
Proletariot cars? And you live in Youngstown? LOL. Some of the worldest finest cars are built in Europe. BMWs and Mercedes' are prevalent. They do have a variety of small cars, but so what? I don't see how what they drive is any worse than over here.
Variety of produce? I'm not sure what European supermarket you have been shopping in. The ones I've been in had pretty much the same things as US supermarkets.
Yes, gasoline is very expensive in Europe. However, you have to take it in the context of culture. Their mass transit is excellent, so a large amount of gasoline isn't required. I spent a month in England and never had to get in a car.
Although I never had to have emergency medical care in Europe, I never heard of anyone complain about the speed of their healthcare. Ambulances were always available in an Emergency. But I do know that I had to go to the ER here in the states, and I waited 4 hours for some stitches.
I am quite aware of the EFCA, and it sounds like you have been watching FOX News too much. The EFCA doesn't eliminate the secret ballot; it puts the decision to use the secret ballot in the hands of employees instead of the employers, as is done now. And the secret ballot isn't currently required-the employer can allow unionization through the check card process.
The southern states are different in that workers aren't required to join the union, even if >50% of fellow workers approve. That is why unions have such a hard time getting a foothold in the South. That is a state issue, and has nothing to do with Obama. But the decision to join a union is ALWAYS left to the workers. If less than 50% approve, no union. And that is one of the issues in this article.
Posted on August 25 at 2:59 p.m.
What freedoms do we have that Europe doesn't? I have been to Europe countless times. People live longer, crime is lower, and transportation is better. And how are Democrats trying to abolish the secret ballot?
I am no lover of unions, and I think they have done a lot of destruction. But keep in mind, the employees are the ones who vote to unionize. And keep in mind that unionization is directly related to state laws, that is why you hardly ever see unions in the south. What do the democrats have to do with that?
ProAmerican, all you do is make ignorant statements with absolutely nothing to back it up.
Posted on August 25 at 9:19 a.m.
No Stan, I never said I was in favor of anybody sponging off of the system. And it is not just liberals who do it. There are Republicans who are also on SSDI, food stamps, and other programs.
I work and pay taxes. From your responses, that is something you don't do. That doesn't sound like much of a conservative to me. Go get a job and pay your share.