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Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

Um...Oviets...except that charter schools have the exact SAME pension system.

Catholic school teachers have a union as well and negotiate their benefits.

September 1, 2015 at 7:43 a.m. suggest removal

Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

Ytown Parent:

I need to get you a link to this law. Giving away each school to charters is not "down the road". Unless you consider this spring to be "down the road."

We have seen that when the legislature gives themselves a power, they use it. It's putting your head in the sand to think they won't.

Secondly, check the qualifications for the so-called "CEO". There are none, except for having had a management job at some time.

You know why? Because they had one of their cronies in mind already when they composed the law.

August 31, 2015 at 8:17 p.m. suggest removal

Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

Sorry Billdog for the long discussion.

It's just that folks expect public schools to prove everything,
and charter and voucher schools to prove nothing but still take the funding.

Doesn't that tell you something about the difference?

August 31, 2015 at 4:20 p.m. suggest removal

Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

You kind of lost me there at the end, Ytown Parent.
But public schools are regularly audited by the federal government, and can be cited if every penny of federal funds is not used as intended. Youngstown City Schools was audited last year because they qualify for Title I funding, and will be audited again this year. In this process, supervisors must produce hard evidence that the money was used for student services.

I have not seen any special education services in Youngstown for either dyslexia or ADHD, unless there is another disability as well. (like very low IQ) If anything, the district agrees to a 504 plan for regular classroom accomodations without funding.

To qualify for special education services in public schools, it is not sufficient to have a diagnosis of a disability. In addition, you must show that the disability has caused the child to fall two or three years behind his/her peers. My grandchild has a physical disability, but does not qualify because he is functioning in the regular classroom. Heck, in Ohio, Forest Gump, with his IQ of 75, would be in the regular classroom!

These days, in all Mahoning County districts, there is a careful process for even referring a child for special education testing. The teachers must give evidence of the student's deficits, accept recommendations from a team to address those deficits without special education services, and give evidence at a later meeting of the results of the interventions. Then the interventions are modified, and the evidence is collected again. (This is called Response to Intervention.) If the child is absent too many times, doesn't get examined for vision or hearing problems, doesn't get prescribed glasses, or the teachers don't present repeated, compelling evidence of the success of classroom interventions, the child cannot be even be referred for testing. If you do get to the testing point, there is another process to follow.

I have heard other parents complain because their children don't qualify, but I have never heard any parent complain that their child qualified, first of all, because the district can't do ANYTHING, including testing, without parent participation.

Summit Academy does seem to get kids qualified who don't qualify in public school, so your experiences may be different.

If special education funding was such a bargain for the public schools, I think that Austintown, Struthers, Hubbard, Liberty, and other open enrollment schools would be glad to take special education students. They don't accept them because their goal in open enrollment is to get enough funding to avoid additional levies. They say they will not take special education students because they can't afford services that will put them further in the hole.

August 31, 2015 at 3:51 p.m. suggest removal

Ohio politcos outraged as Obama renames America’s tallest peak

Oh, Lord. Everyone is always outraged. I'm thinkin' Alaskans were outraged by changing Denali, since they continued to call it Denali.

August 31, 2015 at 3:03 p.m. suggest removal

Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

Y'town Parent,
Actually, I don't think that most people in Youngstown know this has happened. Recently a survey in the Vindicator asked the ages of readers. Most of the newspaper readers, even on line were over 50 years old.
Younger parents can listen to downloaded music, so that they don't hear news or commercials on the radio. And from the comments here in the Vindicator, it seems like the only news people hear is national news.

So the legislature can remove your right to vote, your right to participate in the Board of Education, or even to know what is happening there....government can be changed AND THE PEOPLE WON'T EVEN KNOW until it dawns on them someday when they want to complain.

And honestly, bad as government is, I don't think that most legislation just flies in the face of the Constitution like this one does.

As far as the teachers and administrators go, I don't think this is their battle. They will get hired and paid either way. In fact, the legislature talks about increasing their pay. (For example, teachers in the Catholic High Schools now make what public school teachers make.)

Let me ask you, if your child goes to a charter school, you may hear about meetings of the so called school board (people appointed by the organization that runs the school)...but do you think taxpayers like me get to see the minutes, hear the discussion? We already know I can't vote for the members.

August 31, 2015 at 7:26 a.m. suggest removal

Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

Comments made at the Westerville, OH school board meeting. Very different from Y-town, affluent, Republican, Columbus suburb, but still appalled by SB 70:
This was shoved through after being developed secretly,” Nestor-Baker said. “It is an appalling assault on local education…we all need to look at what this actually means to public education in the state of Ohio...

It is an extreme assault on local control and I urge the General Assembly to pay attention to the districts like Westerville that are pushing resolutions forward about this, I urge Governor Kasich to address the issue, and I urge the Youngstown City School Board of Education to keep fighting.”

“What’s been done has been amazing to me just from the standpoint of the boldness of it, the secrecy, the fact that there was a bipartisan against vote in our state legislature, which is rare, yet not enough votes to keep this from being passed through secretly and in the night,” said WCSD Board of Education Member Richard Bird, who also encouraged those in attendance to monitor the impending Supreme Court case against the plan.

It’s very disconcerting,” Board of Education Vice President Rick Vilardo said of the Youngstown Schools Plan. “Maybe all of us can do some letter writing and some phone calling and be on the same page with this because it will trickle down. The more that power is removed, the more power people will want to remove.”
- See more at: http://www.westerville.k12.oh.us/News...

August 30, 2015 at 6:52 p.m. suggest removal

Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

LetsB4real: I live in a nice area of Youngstown. That's my vested interest.
This is a very big deal, LetsB4real, that goes beyond your particular problem.
This is a change in our form of government from a democracy.
I believe that according to the Constitution of the State of Ohio, our community had to vote on a change in our form of government.
To boot, we ARE being asked to vote for a levy when we have no idea what the governance is.

You don't want to play games with EdChoice? The Bishop himself is willing to do so. Don't worry. Soon he will have it fixed so that everyone in the city lines gets free tuition, then so that everyone anywhere gets free tuition.
By the way -- there is open enrollment in Youngstown Schools. All you had to do is ask to go to the school you like.

If you want to choose a parochial school, that's cool too. I hope they still teach religion. But why be a part of the attack on public schools, not only in Youngstown, but everywhere? Because this law applies to every school district.

As far as these "school report cards" go -- the state did have on their website a few years ago the scores for local Catholic and Christian Schools. The kids would have been in better math programs in the public school, and literacy was the same. (Voucher kids take the tests.)

August 30, 2015 at 5:07 p.m. suggest removal

Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

I made a mistake on my earlier post, marked no. 9.
Ms. Adair, asked why so many of the year's new hires were special education TEACHERS, not "students."

August 30, 2015 at 2:39 p.m. suggest removal

Make the worst students in Youngstown a priority

LetsB4real:
I think the problem is that your Bishop inserted your schools in this issue. He willingly joined a committee of about 5 individuals who planned to close our public schools.
So who is the attacker?
In addition, he asked for, and got, a "bonus" above and beyone the $6,000. the district already pays in tuition.
In addition, he got the ability to get tuition for students attending successful schools, like the new Kirkmere Discovery School, and schools with high scores, like Paul C. Bunn.
In addition, he gets transportation from the local public school district.

I understand your irritation because the loser in this is the student who is actually Catholic, and always attended Catholic school. The trick is to send your children to one of the excellent primary programs in the city. Then you can pull them out and get 12 years of free Catholic education.

But don't expect me to respect such behavior.

August 30, 2015 at 2:33 p.m. suggest removal

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