And yet liberty22, Charter school scores are worse than Youngstown's. Even with the brain drain caused by vouchers to parochial schools and open enrollment, Charter school scores are worse. Even with unethical test administration at Charter schools, their scores are worse.By the way, Volney is no longer vacant. It reopens this year. But let me remind you that the Former Eagle's Heights, Southside Academy, whatever other names were used for the former South High School had fiscal scandal after fiscal scandal, yet remains open with some adjustment to name. Google fiscal scandals in Ohio Charter Schools. They are rampant.
July 22, 2014 at 10:41 p.m.
I agree with the last two commentors. Shame on the Vindicator for continuing coverage of this non-story. It is just a blatant attempt to gain new readers, even temporarily.A protestor for the geese misuses the word "carnage" above, a particularly grating mistake given the actual carnage that has taken place this week in the Ukraine and Palestine.Surely, animal activists would not stand for egg addling, except that they have no other answer to culling the overpopulation of geese. A possible reason that all newly laid eggs had not been found is that the geese nested in adjacent property outside of the park. An effective egg addling program would have to include a notification of hundreds (thousands) of the neighbors that workers would be looking for nests -- and permission to look on property. There are no easy answers, as other communities battling the Canada goose population have discovered.
July 22, 2014 at 7:40 p.m.
Marci,What you take for condescending was me trying to be kind and not sarcastic or name calling, as some others who lost patience have been.
July 15, 2014 at 9:46 p.m.
MarciKarr, the number of comments is blue so that anyone can click on them to see how often, and on what stories I have commented.Since you want to make it personal, I have seen your posts on Mill Creek Metroparks site as well as Candy's. You comment a lot, and you denigrate people who have knowledge of facts. I don't know what your hang-up is about people people with expertise, but I guess it explains your attitude toward the Ohio Department of Natural Resources and park naturalists.
July 15, 2014 at 3:54 p.m.
cmrosko, Volney Rogers with help from professional park designers, planned the lakes. He did not want them to be reservoirs for city water supply. No, I do not think he would support draining them. And I think my question about that would be, are the lakes the problem when we see that Calvary Cemetery, among others, Austintown Middle School, West Blvd. Elementary School, etc. are overrun with geese and have no lakes?
July 15, 2014 at 3:49 p.m.
Agree with you on this Walter Sobchak. What would Volney Rogers say? Well, while he was still working in the area, he paid local boys a bounty for muskrat hides, as the muskrats were destroying plantings. In fact, there are no longer lilies at The Lily Pond because muskrats ate them before the 1930s. He also paid a bounty for owl carcasses, until changing his mind after having a taxidermist mount a particularly big and beautiful one. The owls were predators of the songbirds he was trying to attract.
(according to his papers at the Mahoning Country Historical Society and described in "The Legacy of Mill Creek Park, the Biography of Volney Rogers" by Bridget M. Williams.)
July 15, 2014 at noon
Exhibit 1: post 19 by r0n724Just wait...the Canadian and other out-of-towners will be chiming in soon. There is no species they hate, except humanity.
July 15, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.
When a couple of protestors described area children as "vermin" who "don't need to play in a safe area, that they could play in hell," that was it for me. They lost me. On internet sites they post on, the same goose protestors who claim they cannot sleep since 238 geese were put down have no problem describing the painful deaths they would like to inflict on humans who have alternate opinions. They have no problem equating the few hours of goose euthanization to the systematic starvation, hard labor, and gassing of more than 2 million humans in Nazi concentration camps. Now mind you, most of these same complainers walk through the poultry aisle in the grocery store, where every week there are 238 dismembered corpses of other poultry...and do not shed a tear. It is unlikely that those birds were killed in as humane way as the park geese. You see, it is not about the "compassion" of the protestors. In a weird way, anger energizes them. They are enjoying being in a complaining group. They feel they should have had the power to make decisions, instead of people who for years have studied and worried about the park environment.
July 15, 2014 at 9:46 a.m.
Besides lying, protestors refuse to listen to others, so there is no dialogue. When the park employees try to tell them methods that had already been attempted to move the geese, the protestors continue to say that no explanation was given. When a question is answered, they change the question. Some protestors use violent language against the employees and park visitors who avoid close contact with goose poop.Here's what I have learned in the last two weeks. I found out that animal activists would exaggerate, lie, and threaten to make their point. 1. On their facebook site, they posted a picture of dead geese that I found out was from a hunting site, not Mill Creek Park. They took it down after two commentors complained. 2. A protestor repeatedly misrepresented the pain and trauma of carbon dioxide euthanization, describing mustard gas effects instead, even when she was repeatedly asked if she was describing another gas.3. Members of the site "Save the Wildlife" claimed that all the geese in the park were euthanized. Turned out to be another lie.
July 15, 2014 at 9:44 a.m.
Candy, do you read your own facebook page? Commenters regularly give you the counts they get from walks they take. Comments have given counts from 5 to 70 geese in the wetlands area without even leaving the road.
Mill Creek Park does run a sanctuary, but the wetlands is not it. The lily pond for sure is not it.
July 15, 2014 at 9:01 a.m.