You've got it somewhat right (note: administration says you'll be paying 10, 12, 15% annually of X ... but refuses to say what X is in year 2 and 3).
However, faculty salary is lower than the private sector as well as comparable universities, so focusing on health care costs only is unfair IMO. Again, and please let this sink in, YSU faculty have always had the "we'll pay you less but offer you cheap health care." Now, it's "we'll freeze your salary but demand you pay MUCH more in health care ... but we won't tell you how much."
You are a complete fool. "Those who can't (compete in the private sector?) teach." So I assume you have complete disregard for all educators. Nice and a solid argument.
So let me get this, your plan is to scrap education entirely? Yes, education is a frivolous expense. BTW, do you know what India and China are and have been doing. Do ya'? They're educating the masses are are kicking our a$$es. Your closed-minded, Ra-Ra-Ra, all educators are pseudo-elitists obviously works for you but will not for our country. Why not edumacate yourself, find out what booming economies elsewhere are doing (see India, E. Europe, China) and why U.S. has been on a long empire decline.
@UnionshateAmerica, "Vote no on SB5 if you want to continue the path to union oligarchy." LOL! Yes, corporations have no power whatsoever in this country and it all of it rests in unions ... Did yoo goed to publik skoolz?
Juxtapose "Caribbean" for any poor-quality U.S. med. school and my argument still stands. The point is, you get what you pay for with regards to education as well as medical treatment.
"Billions wasted on public schools." Yes, continue turning our country into a banana republic, that'll work well in the long-term.
Wrong! The 1.5% for health care is based on annual salary, not % of HC cost. This translates roughly into a 7% cost of actual health cost. Yes, this is below the private sector but so are the salaries of YSU faculty. It's a "I'll pay you less than you're worth but also reduce your HC costs."
Now, the administration not only rejected the fact finders recommendation but has said "we'll still pay you less than you're worth but also greatly increase your HC costs ... and oh, we're not going to tell you how much that actually is."
This fact is a bit different from what you portrayed.
@Jethead, UnionsHateAmerica and all SB5 supporters,
You're kidding, right? Please just say "O.K., we know we're full of it but wanted to see how many convoluted arguments we could throw at you. It was a cruel joke and we're sorry."
Riiiggghhht, fire all YSU faculty and find the same caliber replacements. Yep, good plan. Let me ask you: you are expected to have heart surgery and have a choice between a John Hopkins-educated M.D. making $700,000/year and a newbie out of a Caribbean med school making $40K/year. Ummm, on average, which do you think will do a better job on you?
Some here say that YSU faculty are overpaid (e.g., "39K is fine"). Several points: 1) have you spent 8 years under slave labor (i.e., graduate assistantships making ~10K/year) when you potentially could have start at 30K in the private sector?, 2) relative to comparable schools, YSU faculty IS underpaid and 3) what is the price of education?
Re: the price of education, and analogous to the doctor ex. above, it is guaranteed that education in the U.S. has been deteriorating and this process will accelerate as funding for education declines, INCLUDING faculty salaries. Yes, by all means, the economic squeezing of the middle class in general and education in particular is a key ingredient in the long-term economic growth of our country (cough). No, the middle class does not drive consumption (read economic growth) nor does education drive innovation and economic growth (cough, cough).
Vote YES for SB5 if you want to continue the path to corporate oligarchy.
Sickstudent, The strike is unfortunate for most (e.g., faculty and students) but IMO, not for all (e.g., administration, board, Governor). I'm sorry for your situation.
Let me ask you, if your husband knew his company was profiting but not only was that revenue used to pay solely for top executives but the exact figure was not disclosed, would this be disconcerting (your husband contributes to the profits, right?)? And if the company forced a health care plan on him and said you will be paying 10% of X ... but we're not going to tell you what X is, would this be a concern? It should be.
"I'm tired of hearing that the faculty worry about their students" is short-sighted IMO. What if, what if the administration makes the situation so bad that the current faculty depart. What quality people do you honestly think will replace them? The answer is that education, your education, will be compromised.
Case in point, if the administration's offer to reduce summer salary by 40% occurred (20% was in the vote today), very few seasoned faculty would teach them and you'd get inferior teachers doing the job.
AtownAugie, When teachers strike, they lose income (duh). Teacher are in fact workers and since "workers make a very real sacrifice when they strike," teachers make a very real sacrifice when they strike.
YSU faculty should have accepted a horrendous contract because: 1) there is VERY little chance the deal will get better and 2) this will certainly fuel unfair propaganda for the union-busting SB5.
There are some here that label the faculty as greedy. Well, when they accepted the fact finder's recommendation, which called for grave cuts (e.g., 0, 1 and 2% annual increases) and the administration REJECTED it, how can the faculty be labeled greedy (YSU faculty already get paid much lower than Ohio and non-Ohio equivalent universities btw)? Do you know what the administration makes relative to the work horses (i.e., faculty)?
On a broader political level and particularly to those low-to-middle class people who incurred pay cuts but support SB5, why support corporate oligarchy, which is the direction in which this country is moving? A strong middle class, which in part is FUELED BY EDUCATION, is/was the strength of our country. We are now at, what, 1932 levels of economic disparity between the rich and the poor. Yes, by all means, do not burden the upper 1-2% by moving their tax bracket from 35 to 39% to buffer this country's economic pain (cough).
*Support for SB5 = support for corporate oligarchy and squeezing the middle class. **Education, the fuel for innovation and long-term economic growth, is deteriorating in the U.S. Do you know the educational policies of China and India (and E. Europe)? Yes, be scared and embrace the fall of an empire.
YSU faculty calls off strike
@(Un)Fairand(Un)Equal,
You've got it somewhat right (note: administration says you'll be paying 10, 12, 15% annually of X ... but refuses to say what X is in year 2 and 3).
However, faculty salary is lower than the private sector as well as comparable universities, so focusing on health care costs only is unfair IMO. Again, and please let this sink in, YSU faculty have always had the "we'll pay you less but offer you cheap health care." Now, it's "we'll freeze your salary but demand you pay MUCH more in health care ... but we won't tell you how much."
August 26, 2011 at 5:09 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off strike
@UnionshateAmerica,
You are a complete fool. "Those who can't (compete in the private sector?) teach." So I assume you have complete disregard for all educators. Nice and a solid argument.
So let me get this, your plan is to scrap education entirely? Yes, education is a frivolous expense. BTW, do you know what India and China are and have been doing. Do ya'? They're educating the masses are are kicking our a$$es. Your closed-minded, Ra-Ra-Ra, all educators are pseudo-elitists obviously works for you but will not for our country. Why not edumacate yourself, find out what booming economies elsewhere are doing (see India, E. Europe, China) and why U.S. has been on a long empire decline.
Education Is Key.
Sincerely,
EducationIsKey
August 26, 2011 at 4:35 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off strike
@dancinmoses,
I'm confused with "when this place becomes a ghost town of toothless, uneducated, brain dead residents?" Did you mean "WHY this place IS ..."
August 26, 2011 at 2:53 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off strike
@UnionshateAmerica,
"Vote no on SB5 if you want to continue the path to union oligarchy." LOL! Yes, corporations have no power whatsoever in this country and it all of it rests in unions ... Did yoo goed to publik skoolz?
Juxtapose "Caribbean" for any poor-quality U.S. med. school and my argument still stands. The point is, you get what you pay for with regards to education as well as medical treatment.
"Billions wasted on public schools." Yes, continue turning our country into a banana republic, that'll work well in the long-term.
August 26, 2011 at 2:46 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off strike
@FairandEqual,
Wrong! The 1.5% for health care is based on annual salary, not % of HC cost. This translates roughly into a 7% cost of actual health cost. Yes, this is below the private sector but so are the salaries of YSU faculty. It's a "I'll pay you less than you're worth but also reduce your HC costs."
Now, the administration not only rejected the fact finders recommendation but has said "we'll still pay you less than you're worth but also greatly increase your HC costs ... and oh, we're not going to tell you how much that actually is."
This fact is a bit different from what you portrayed.
August 26, 2011 at 2:35 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off strike
@Jethead, UnionsHateAmerica and all SB5 supporters,
You're kidding, right? Please just say "O.K., we know we're full of it but wanted to see how many convoluted arguments we could throw at you. It was a cruel joke and we're sorry."
Riiiggghhht, fire all YSU faculty and find the same caliber replacements. Yep, good plan. Let me ask you: you are expected to have heart surgery and have a choice between a John Hopkins-educated M.D. making $700,000/year and a newbie out of a Caribbean med school making $40K/year. Ummm, on average, which do you think will do a better job on you?
Some here say that YSU faculty are overpaid (e.g., "39K is fine"). Several points: 1) have you spent 8 years under slave labor (i.e., graduate assistantships making ~10K/year) when you potentially could have start at 30K in the private sector?, 2) relative to comparable schools, YSU faculty IS underpaid and 3) what is the price of education?
Re: the price of education, and analogous to the doctor ex. above, it is guaranteed that education in the U.S. has been deteriorating and this process will accelerate as funding for education declines, INCLUDING faculty salaries. Yes, by all means, the economic squeezing of the middle class in general and education in particular is a key ingredient in the long-term economic growth of our country (cough). No, the middle class does not drive consumption (read economic growth) nor does education drive innovation and economic growth (cough, cough).
Vote YES for SB5 if you want to continue the path to corporate oligarchy.
August 26, 2011 at 2:29 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off planned strike
Sickstudent,
The strike is unfortunate for most (e.g., faculty and students) but IMO, not for all (e.g., administration, board, Governor). I'm sorry for your situation.
Let me ask you, if your husband knew his company was profiting but not only was that revenue used to pay solely for top executives but the exact figure was not disclosed, would this be disconcerting (your husband contributes to the profits, right?)? And if the company forced a health care plan on him and said you will be paying 10% of X ... but we're not going to tell you what X is, would this be a concern? It should be.
"I'm tired of hearing that the faculty worry about their students" is short-sighted IMO. What if, what if the administration makes the situation so bad that the current faculty depart. What quality people do you honestly think will replace them? The answer is that education, your education, will be compromised.
Case in point, if the administration's offer to reduce summer salary by 40% occurred (20% was in the vote today), very few seasoned faculty would teach them and you'd get inferior teachers doing the job.
August 25, 2011 at 10:23 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off planned strike
Yep, what Walter said above! Nailed it folks!
- The Dude
August 25, 2011 at 10:07 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off planned strike
AtownAugie,
When teachers strike, they lose income (duh). Teacher are in fact workers and since "workers make a very real sacrifice when they strike," teachers make a very real sacrifice when they strike.
Please get your facts straight.
August 25, 2011 at 10:02 p.m. permalink suggest removal
YSU faculty calls off planned strike
YSU faculty should have accepted a horrendous contract because: 1) there is VERY little chance the deal will get better and 2) this will certainly fuel unfair propaganda for the union-busting SB5.
There are some here that label the faculty as greedy. Well, when they accepted the fact finder's recommendation, which called for grave cuts (e.g., 0, 1 and 2% annual increases) and the administration REJECTED it, how can the faculty be labeled greedy (YSU faculty already get paid much lower than Ohio and non-Ohio equivalent universities btw)? Do you know what the administration makes relative to the work horses (i.e., faculty)?
On a broader political level and particularly to those low-to-middle class people who incurred pay cuts but support SB5, why support corporate oligarchy, which is the direction in which this country is moving? A strong middle class, which in part is FUELED BY EDUCATION, is/was the strength of our country. We are now at, what, 1932 levels of economic disparity between the rich and the poor. Yes, by all means, do not burden the upper 1-2% by moving their tax bracket from 35 to 39% to buffer this country's economic pain (cough).
*Support for SB5 = support for corporate oligarchy and squeezing the middle class.
**Education, the fuel for innovation and long-term economic growth, is deteriorating in the U.S. Do you know the educational policies of China and India (and E. Europe)? Yes, be scared and embrace the fall of an empire.
August 25, 2011 at 9:42 p.m. permalink suggest removal