I totally agree with you metz. Education is a privilege, not a right. You can lead a student to school but you can't make him learn. If a youth only goes to school only to cause disruption, fight, take up space, do drugs, etc. they should be expelled for good. Their parents can then be responsible for home schooling. Responsibility starts at home. There should be no way any good productive student should have to be in the same room with an unruly, disruptive, violent student.
Metz, I know what you’re saying. And it’s true. I have experienced it first hand.
Education_Voter you have answered my question enough; you have worked in the Youngstown city schools and you obviously believe your rhetoric about school funding. Nothing I say can convince you otherwise. You may choose not to condemn kids in their youth hoping that they will change with maturity. But does this imply that bad disruptive students who hamper the school experience of good students is OK? City schools will many times not expel a violent student because the school will lose money. The solution? Give them a detention instead. Why condemn them? If a youth commits a wrong, they should be dealt with. They should be held accountable as well as their parents. The punishment should fit the crime, even with youth.
I believe many of the social ills that affect our country happen because our government enables bad behavior and irresponsibility by not holding people accountable for their actions. This of course includes kids. Bad choices are simply blamed on society. If you want proof, you can see the satellite dishes on government assisted housing. Our nation’s poor can afford the luxuries of cable and big screen TV’s. Baloney! Take away that luxury and perhaps the kids will focus on their studies.
Charter schools offer a choice for some parents who do not want to have to subject their children to dangerous city schools. Are city schools dangerous? Some school systems in this state force their kids to go through airport security to find the guns and knives.
Charter schools use State money (the money the State allows a student – which follows the student to his school) while the city schools receive additional city and federal monies.
But again, you seem to be content on believing that the shadows on the cave wall are reality without actually turning around to see. You may have the last word as I will no longer waste anymore time with you. I know enough to stop banging my head on the wall.
Municipal: Pertaining to city government, as opposed to state or national government.
Sorry you can't understand these apparent big words. I'll stick with "city" as you understand the term better.
So what to do with the failing city school districts. Spend more money? No, that would be a waste. How about regionalizing within counties and allowing the poor urban...(oops, I meant city). Let me rephrase this - allowing the poor city kids to attend the excellent suburban schools. Yeah, that would be great. We can diversify Ohio. The integration of the poor kids with the well off kids should even the education playing field.
Charter schools do not take away money from the city schools. The students who attend charter schools are not educated by the city schools. In fact, the city schools now have fewer students to educate. The proportion is equal, less students mean less money. Funny how you keep forgetting that little detail. In theory, the city schools should be able to downsize their teacher population. Just think of the money that could be saved!
I see the name calling has begun. Keep displaying your character Education_Voter. By the way would you happen to be a city or suburban school teacher?
The article was biased and incomplete. Sorry but the reporter left out some pertinent information and made her reporting side with the municipal schools.
But there is some good news from the Gov's proposed school plan:
Give more authority to school boards to dismiss teachers for just cause. Strickland stated “right now, it's harder to dismiss a teacher than any other public employee. Under my plan, we will give administrators the power to dismiss teachers for good cause, the same standard applied to other public employees.” School teachers, beware, your Gov. has spoken.
Allow the state to shut down school districts that repeatedly fail to meet state standards. Wow! I wonder if the Youngstown school system will be one of the first to go? For all you school administrators who are part of a failed school district, you may be looking for a new line of employment if the Gov. gets his way.
And by the way Education_Voter, you dodged the question concerning the municipal school system - should continually failing municipal school systems be allowed to continue operations? Or does accountability only apply to charter schools?
Sorry, but it is truly the failed municipal school districts - those who have continually failed from the start of the state grading system in 1999 are the scandalous ones, not the charter schools.
Here you go Education_Voter, why don't you work to shut down this dismal municipal school system. They met only 1 out of 30 state indicators. Talk about a waste of taxpayer monies let alone the children being left behind. Lets scrap the whole thing and privatize each school. Then it would be much easier to target the individual failing schools. Or do you feel that its ok for the municipal school system to continue to be compensated by the taxpayer?
Hey Education_Voter, how about the municipal schools who have continually had a failing grade for the past 10 years? How come the municipal school system is allowed to continue? The failed municipal schools should be shut down don't you agree? They also waste tax dollars and shortchange the students. When has there ever been a municipal school shut down because of bad performance? Never. But that is apparently ok with you.
Charter schools are public schools.
Charter schools do not take money away from municipal schools. The state money follows the student. The municipal schools are no longer educating the charter school student. The municipal schools now have less of a student population.
Schools question rules for funding
I totally agree with you metz. Education is a privilege, not a right. You can lead a student to school but you can't make him learn. If a youth only goes to school only to cause disruption, fight, take up space, do drugs, etc. they should be expelled for good. Their parents can then be responsible for home schooling. Responsibility starts at home. There should be no way any good productive student should have to be in the same room with an unruly, disruptive, violent student.
February 5, 2009 at 6:27 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Schools question rules for funding
Metz, I know what you’re saying. And it’s true. I have experienced it first hand.
Education_Voter you have answered my question enough; you have worked in the Youngstown city schools and you obviously believe your rhetoric about school funding. Nothing I say can convince you otherwise. You may choose not to condemn kids in their youth hoping that they will change with maturity. But does this imply that bad disruptive students who hamper the school experience of good students is OK? City schools will many times not expel a violent student because the school will lose money. The solution? Give them a detention instead. Why condemn them? If a youth commits a wrong, they should be dealt with. They should be held accountable as well as their parents. The punishment should fit the crime, even with youth.
I believe many of the social ills that affect our country happen because our government enables bad behavior and irresponsibility by not holding people accountable for their actions. This of course includes kids. Bad choices are simply blamed on society. If you want proof, you can see the satellite dishes on government assisted housing. Our nation’s poor can afford the luxuries of cable and big screen TV’s. Baloney! Take away that luxury and perhaps the kids will focus on their studies.
Charter schools offer a choice for some parents who do not want to have to subject their children to dangerous city schools. Are city schools dangerous? Some school systems in this state force their kids to go through airport security to find the guns and knives.
Charter schools use State money (the money the State allows a student – which follows the student to his school) while the city schools receive additional city and federal monies.
But again, you seem to be content on believing that the shadows on the cave wall are reality without actually turning around to see. You may have the last word as I will no longer waste anymore time with you. I know enough to stop banging my head on the wall.
February 5, 2009 at 4:50 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Schools question rules for funding
Municipal: Pertaining to city government, as opposed to state or national government.
Sorry you can't understand these apparent big words. I'll stick with "city" as you understand the term better.
So what to do with the failing city school districts. Spend more money? No, that would be a waste. How about regionalizing within counties and allowing the poor urban...(oops, I meant city). Let me rephrase this - allowing the poor city kids to attend the excellent suburban schools. Yeah, that would be great. We can diversify Ohio. The integration of the poor kids with the well off kids should even the education playing field.
Charter schools do not take away money from the city schools. The students who attend charter schools are not educated by the city schools. In fact, the city schools now have fewer students to educate. The proportion is equal, less students mean less money. Funny how you keep forgetting that little detail. In theory, the city schools should be able to downsize their teacher population. Just think of the money that could be saved!
I see the name calling has begun. Keep displaying your character Education_Voter. By the way would you happen to be a city or suburban school teacher?
February 1, 2009 at 4:27 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Schools question rules for funding
The article was biased and incomplete. Sorry but the reporter left out some pertinent information and made her reporting side with the municipal schools.
But there is some good news from the Gov's proposed school plan:
Give more authority to school boards to dismiss teachers for just cause. Strickland stated “right now, it's harder to dismiss a teacher than any other public employee. Under my plan, we will give administrators the power to dismiss teachers for good cause, the same standard applied to other public employees.” School teachers, beware, your Gov. has spoken.
Allow the state to shut down school districts that repeatedly fail to meet state standards. Wow! I wonder if the Youngstown school system will be one of the first to go? For all you school administrators who are part of a failed school district, you may be looking for a new line of employment if the Gov. gets his way.
And by the way Education_Voter, you dodged the question concerning the municipal school system - should continually failing municipal school systems be allowed to continue operations? Or does accountability only apply to charter schools?
Sorry, but it is truly the failed municipal school districts - those who have continually failed from the start of the state grading system in 1999 are the scandalous ones, not the charter schools.
January 30, 2009 at 5:01 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Schools question rules for funding
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcard...
Here you go Education_Voter, why don't you work to shut down this dismal municipal school system. They met only 1 out of 30 state indicators. Talk about a waste of taxpayer monies let alone the children being left behind. Lets scrap the whole thing and privatize each school. Then it would be much easier to target the individual failing schools. Or do you feel that its ok for the municipal school system to continue to be compensated by the taxpayer?
January 27, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Schools question rules for funding
Hey Education_Voter, how about the municipal schools who have continually had a failing grade for the past 10 years? How come the municipal school system is allowed to continue? The failed municipal schools should be shut down don't you agree? They also waste tax dollars and shortchange the students. When has there ever been a municipal school shut down because of bad performance? Never. But that is apparently ok with you.
Charter schools are public schools.
Charter schools do not take money away from municipal schools. The state money follows the student. The municipal schools are no longer educating the charter school student. The municipal schools now have less of a student population.
January 27, 2009 at 10:10 a.m. permalink suggest removal