Liar- a person who lies lie - an untrue statement with intent to deceive
If any of my statements were untrue or generalized and made to look untrue I can tell you I did not do them with intent to deceive. I don't like lies and don't try to lie. For Nunya I went a bit further and looked online at dictionary.com and this is what they say:
lie: 1. a false statement made with deliberate attempt to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression
3. An inaccurate or false statement.
To all. I am guilty of #3 according to dictionary.com. I won't say where yet until I address everything Nunya said but I will but I can tell you I did not intenionally try to deceive anybody. My words are being used against me and when I have the time (I have an 11 hour drive ahead of me in a couple hours) then I will give Nunya the pat on the back for being able to use the word liar against me correctly according to dictionary.com. I will also take the time to say Nunya is a liar as well and use his words and links against him as he has so elliquintly done to me. This is no longer about conceal carry but an attack on my character. For Nunya this has been about who is winning an arguement. His words, "So now in you finding yourself losing this debate" and "Was merely because you already knew you couldn't defend any oppositional view in regards to what I stated". For you Nunya it's about "winning". In my eyes for you to win I would have to have lost something. Pretty soon it won't matter if it was you having more points than I or could somehow prove I am the bigger liar. It's my presumed fact that I will be able to carry in and around a bar. I think that you said you in fact are a ccw carrier. Will you leave your guns at home Bill or will you take your guns to town (a bar) when it is legal?
@Vindypost. Don't assume Gabby changed her mind about guns or anybody else for that matter. You are assuming. What would you do if she comes out and says she is still progun? Would you feel differently? Most likely not. For some reason everyone against guns assumes that because of a tragedy like Arizona that everyone turns anti gun. Did you think that it most likely did both? It pushed some to get guns and some to get rid of them.
For Nunya. Here is a story of a man who ran his wife down purposely with the van. If you would like I could pick two stories for every one you show me.
Jupiter, my brother is a police officer. He says most police officers he works with prefer the educated innocent to carry guns. You can find some officers who don't want you to carry a gun but don't generalize it and say police don't want you to have them. That is how this whole story is. You will find talk from both sides. The mahoning county sheriff makes it hard to get a conceal carry. He asks for more than is lawfully needed. Surrounding counties do not.
You also generalize and say most gun nuts can't bend over and tie their own shoes. Maybe you mean the ones without a conceal carry. I've been to the shooting ranges and to get my CCW and every one of them looked capable of tying their shoes. And you'd be surprised how many people have guns. You think that any gun owner comes out like Yosimete Sam with a gun in each hand telling the world he's a gun carrier. You'd be surprised how many of us there are. Hopefully we don't shoot ourselves trying to tie our shoes.
@ Nunya. Read the story you had linked in your last post. What does it mean or prove. We don't know if the man who shot the other man was legally carrying. So what if it was outside a bar. If anything the arguement there could be that if the man who got shot had taken a gun course and was carrying legally that he might not be dead now. But then again by Jupiter's account he probably would have knocked himself out dead on a rock because he bent down to try and tie his shoes.
Nunya, I've had enough. Don't ever call me a liar unless you say exactly what I lied about. That is a powerful word you have not backed up. Give me the due diligence to at least defend myself. Tell me the exact lie you think I have said so I could at least lay out the evidence. You've shot off at the mouth plenty and I never called you a liar. Man up and point out what I have supposedly lied about or look the other way like it's Nunya business.
Texting, cell phone use, and lipstick application while driving have caused vehicular homicide.
Besides not owning a gun each one of you has probably drank alcohol, even in it's smallest form, and got into your vehicle. I rarely drink and one bottle of beer impairs me. Should alcohol be banned? Should cars be banned because people run other people over with them? How far do you want to go with this? Nunya's mind will never be changed and neither will yours but I'd be more than happy to address the parade of stories you may have about victims and I can parade similar stories of loss of life that you won't even want to touch. A felon can get out of prison and hop right into his own car. He can't go buy a gun legally though.
I'm a different conceal carry person as I've said before. I think there should be limitations to magazine capacity and the type of weapon you can buy. Fully automatic is overkill. Most CCW people will fight against me on that like you antigunners fight on all guns period. But, the pro fully automatic people can say that deaths from one of those weapons is alot smaller than most every day homicides and I'd have no real answer for them.
What about this deadly rampage Saturday though? I don't know what you are talking about to even comment. I like to get some facts straight before commenting. Where did this happen and what happened?
@Nunya. It’s good to see that your bible is a thesaurus. At first I thought you were smarter than everyone else in the room until I reread your message to me. I will give you the courtesy you haven’t shown me and end sentences correctly (or as correctly as I know how) and not use bigger words than most of the country knows. I had to look some of them up wondering if you are even using them in the right context. It’s ok. Your secret is still safe. I had the definitions and still couldn’t figure out if you used them correctly.
Of course I will never be able to change your mind. That is what you mean. Come out and say it. Defending YOUR oppositional view is futile to anyone other than yourself. I looked at past posts of yours and can tell you drive a convertible. You have to. And your rambling about exactly what alcohol does and how it affects social behavior in no way showed me that your mind was far superior and that your point had such an overwhelming argument as to why I should go to the scrap yard and at least get 5.00 for my gun. You can ramble on for hours and days about nonsense but at some point cold hard facts have to stick. Telling me chemical composition of alcohol and behavior isn’t it. Try again or lets just agree to disagree.
As for your smarting off at the end about Debbies and Freddy’s and shooting up the place, nice try. People have already said it in the posts before. It isn’t so much what happens in the bar/establishment. It’s what happens when you walk outside of the bar. That is where the bad guy usually preys. As a person who obeys the laws and has a conceal carry if someone approached me in the parking lot to do harm then harm is what the result will be. I could never defend myself because my gun would be locked in one end of my vehicle while my ammunition would be locked at the other end. If I could get to both in any kind of Superman time then I would next have to load my magazines because I can’t have ammo loaded magazines with the bullets. That is what the current law makes law abiding citizens do. And the government makes it easier for the perps by laying off police officers and not generating jobs. And to make matters worse some of the most left leaning areas of our country like Chicago want to show the millions of names of people who have a CCW as if we are registered child molestors. The chances of me needing to actually protect myself are slim but I camp and kayak and travel to the areas of Columbus, Sandusky, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland. I also have to eat and Applebees keeps coming up in my post so you know where I like to. I want to know walking out that I have a chance if that slim possibility that the bad guy wants more than just my wallet.
another average citizen. I didn't clarify things in my statement to you. It was in my head but not my post. I did say I am a different type of conceal carry type. Sporting events I don't believe you should be able to bring a gun into because of the reason of pat downs and because when you usually walk out there are throngs of people that deter bad guys.
Some of these places like schools and sporting events will be taken care of with a simple no guns allowed sign in the front of their establishment. That I am aware of that is not being taken away from the person that owns the building. If anyone is afraid of being shot by an emotional drunk carrying lawfully (then unlawfully by taking one taste of the alcohol) then they can look at the place they frequent's front door and see if there are no gun signs. If there aren't then you have the choice to go somewhere else that does so that you feel snug as a bug. By the way, Walmart has no such sign in their establishment. Now what? Let the blood curdling screams begin now. Is there nowhere we can be safe from law abiding ccw citizens?
@ another average citizen. The difference between a sporting event and a bar/ bar and grille is that you don't get patted down when you walk into Applebees. I believe in ccw and some gun control. I'm kind of the odd ball because there are others I know that believe you shouldn't have to get a CCW period. It's a great stipulation to me.
@ Nunya. I can't figure out if you are giving compliments or kicks to the groin. Your sentences I think have points but I'm not sure what except that we agree to disagree and you like seeing my perspective because I'm not lambasting everyone.
@ttup1rd. Calling the antigun people idiots is a bit harsh. They have their opinions and we have ours.
@samlam. Let's ban steak knives at Apple Bees and other places since it seems like alcohol and emotions lead to death on more than just a rare isolated incident. The servers can cut all of our steaks up for us so noone is put in danger.
To the antigunners. It's funny that you call progun people scared for wanting to carry a gun to protect themselves yet you sound just as scared that people who haven't been commited of a crime and took a class for safety and use of guns are about to be able to carry in a bar and start shooting up the joint. The reality is the bad guy that is going to go off in a bar is the one already carrying illegally if he were in a bar or at your local Walmart. As a matter of fact most of you probably text and talk while driving and that is alot more dangerous than someone who has never had trouble with the law carrying a gun legally for their own personal protection and the protection of their family.
It's ok though. I would still be there protecting you if ever the bad guy wanted to make you the victim. Please understand that most of us CCW people want nothing but peace and to keep our guns in the holsters they sit in. It isn't there for show (it's concealed) and it isn't there for intimidation and emotional release. It's like locks on doors. Locks on doors are for the innocent people. The bad guys break the glass in and turn the knob on the inside.
ts1227, what you said a Columbus newspaper said doesn't make alot of sense. I hate second hand information. Give us a link to that exact story and then I will comment. I know youwere talking to ttup1rd but the rest of us see it too and until I know the exact part of that story then I would like to either say that one part of the story shouldn't be or correct you on what you may have misread. Maybe you didn't misread it. I need to know and then I will comment.
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
Webster's dictionary:
Liar- a person who lies
lie - an untrue statement with intent to deceive
If any of my statements were untrue or generalized and made to look untrue I can tell you I did not do them with intent to deceive. I don't like lies and don't try to lie. For Nunya I went a bit further and looked online at dictionary.com and this is what they say:
lie: 1. a false statement made with deliberate attempt to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression
3. An inaccurate or false statement.
To all. I am guilty of #3 according to dictionary.com. I won't say where yet until I address everything Nunya said but I will but I can tell you I did not intenionally try to deceive anybody. My words are being used against me and when I have the time (I have an 11 hour drive ahead of me in a couple hours) then I will give Nunya the pat on the back for being able to use the word liar against me correctly according to dictionary.com. I will also take the time to say Nunya is a liar as well and use his words and links against him as he has so elliquintly done to me. This is no longer about conceal carry but an attack on my character. For Nunya this has been about who is winning an arguement. His words, "So now in you finding yourself losing this debate" and "Was merely because you already knew you couldn't defend any oppositional view in regards to what I stated". For you Nunya it's about "winning". In my eyes for you to win I would have to have lost something. Pretty soon it won't matter if it was you having more points than I or could somehow prove I am the bigger liar. It's my presumed fact that I will be able to carry in and around a bar. I think that you said you in fact are a ccw carrier. Will you leave your guns at home Bill or will you take your guns to town (a bar) when it is legal?
June 17, 2011 at 10:53 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
@Nunya. Here is the entire story. He wasn't carrying legally and had no right to shoot the man.
http://articles.mcall.com/2011-06-16/...
@Vindypost. Don't assume Gabby changed her mind about guns or anybody else for that matter. You are assuming. What would you do if she comes out and says she is still progun? Would you feel differently? Most likely not. For some reason everyone against guns assumes that because of a tragedy like Arizona that everyone turns anti gun. Did you think that it most likely did both? It pushed some to get guns and some to get rid of them.
June 17, 2011 at 2:52 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
For Nunya. Here is a story of a man who ran his wife down purposely with the van. If you would like I could pick two stories for every one you show me.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news...
June 17, 2011 at 2:16 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
Jupiter, my brother is a police officer. He says most police officers he works with prefer the educated innocent to carry guns. You can find some officers who don't want you to carry a gun but don't generalize it and say police don't want you to have them. That is how this whole story is. You will find talk from both sides. The mahoning county sheriff makes it hard to get a conceal carry. He asks for more than is lawfully needed. Surrounding counties do not.
You also generalize and say most gun nuts can't bend over and tie their own shoes. Maybe you mean the ones without a conceal carry. I've been to the shooting ranges and to get my CCW and every one of them looked capable of tying their shoes. And you'd be surprised how many people have guns. You think that any gun owner comes out like Yosimete Sam with a gun in each hand telling the world he's a gun carrier. You'd be surprised how many of us there are. Hopefully we don't shoot ourselves trying to tie our shoes.
@ Nunya. Read the story you had linked in your last post. What does it mean or prove. We don't know if the man who shot the other man was legally carrying. So what if it was outside a bar. If anything the arguement there could be that if the man who got shot had taken a gun course and was carrying legally that he might not be dead now. But then again by Jupiter's account he probably would have knocked himself out dead on a rock because he bent down to try and tie his shoes.
June 17, 2011 at 2:13 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
Nunya, I've had enough. Don't ever call me a liar unless you say exactly what I lied about. That is a powerful word you have not backed up. Give me the due diligence to at least defend myself. Tell me the exact lie you think I have said so I could at least lay out the evidence. You've shot off at the mouth plenty and I never called you a liar. Man up and point out what I have supposedly lied about or look the other way like it's Nunya business.
June 17, 2011 at 1:40 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
Facts;
Giffords was pro gun
Alcohol kills people
Sober people run people over every day
57% of gun fatalities are from suicide
Texting, cell phone use, and lipstick application while driving have caused vehicular homicide.
Besides not owning a gun each one of you has probably drank alcohol, even in it's smallest form, and got into your vehicle. I rarely drink and one bottle of beer impairs me. Should alcohol be banned? Should cars be banned because people run other people over with them? How far do you want to go with this? Nunya's mind will never be changed and neither will yours but I'd be more than happy to address the parade of stories you may have about victims and I can parade similar stories of loss of life that you won't even want to touch. A felon can get out of prison and hop right into his own car. He can't go buy a gun legally though.
I'm a different conceal carry person as I've said before. I think there should be limitations to magazine capacity and the type of weapon you can buy. Fully automatic is overkill. Most CCW people will fight against me on that like you antigunners fight on all guns period. But, the pro fully automatic people can say that deaths from one of those weapons is alot smaller than most every day homicides and I'd have no real answer for them.
What about this deadly rampage Saturday though? I don't know what you are talking about to even comment. I like to get some facts straight before commenting. Where did this happen and what happened?
June 17, 2011 at 9:15 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
@Nunya. It’s good to see that your bible is a thesaurus. At first I thought you were smarter than everyone else in the room until I reread your message to me. I will give you the courtesy you haven’t shown me and end sentences correctly (or as correctly as I know how) and not use bigger words than most of the country knows. I had to look some of them up wondering if you are even using them in the right context. It’s ok. Your secret is still safe. I had the definitions and still couldn’t figure out if you used them correctly.
Of course I will never be able to change your mind. That is what you mean. Come out and say it. Defending YOUR oppositional view is futile to anyone other than yourself. I looked at past posts of yours and can tell you drive a convertible. You have to. And your rambling about exactly what alcohol does and how it affects social behavior in no way showed me that your mind was far superior and that your point had such an overwhelming argument as to why I should go to the scrap yard and at least get 5.00 for my gun. You can ramble on for hours and days about nonsense but at some point cold hard facts have to stick. Telling me chemical composition of alcohol and behavior isn’t it. Try again or lets just agree to disagree.
As for your smarting off at the end about Debbies and Freddy’s and shooting up the place, nice try. People have already said it in the posts before. It isn’t so much what happens in the bar/establishment. It’s what happens when you walk outside of the bar. That is where the bad guy usually preys. As a person who obeys the laws and has a conceal carry if someone approached me in the parking lot to do harm then harm is what the result will be. I could never defend myself because my gun would be locked in one end of my vehicle while my ammunition would be locked at the other end. If I could get to both in any kind of Superman time then I would next have to load my magazines because I can’t have ammo loaded magazines with the bullets. That is what the current law makes law abiding citizens do. And the government makes it easier for the perps by laying off police officers and not generating jobs. And to make matters worse some of the most left leaning areas of our country like Chicago want to show the millions of names of people who have a CCW as if we are registered child molestors. The chances of me needing to actually protect myself are slim but I camp and kayak and travel to the areas of Columbus, Sandusky, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland. I also have to eat and Applebees keeps coming up in my post so you know where I like to. I want to know walking out that I have a chance if that slim possibility that the bad guy wants more than just my wallet.
June 16, 2011 at 4:46 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
another average citizen. I didn't clarify things in my statement to you. It was in my head but not my post. I did say I am a different type of conceal carry type. Sporting events I don't believe you should be able to bring a gun into because of the reason of pat downs and because when you usually walk out there are throngs of people that deter bad guys.
Some of these places like schools and sporting events will be taken care of with a simple no guns allowed sign in the front of their establishment. That I am aware of that is not being taken away from the person that owns the building. If anyone is afraid of being shot by an emotional drunk carrying lawfully (then unlawfully by taking one taste of the alcohol) then they can look at the place they frequent's front door and see if there are no gun signs. If there aren't then you have the choice to go somewhere else that does so that you feel snug as a bug. By the way, Walmart has no such sign in their establishment. Now what? Let the blood curdling screams begin now. Is there nowhere we can be safe from law abiding ccw citizens?
June 16, 2011 at 12:42 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
@ Jupiter. What the ?
@ another average citizen. The difference between a sporting event and a bar/ bar and grille is that you don't get patted down when you walk into Applebees. I believe in ccw and some gun control. I'm kind of the odd ball because there are others I know that believe you shouldn't have to get a CCW period. It's a great stipulation to me.
@ Nunya. I can't figure out if you are giving compliments or kicks to the groin. Your sentences I think have points but I'm not sure what except that we agree to disagree and you like seeing my perspective because I'm not lambasting everyone.
@ttup1rd. Calling the antigun people idiots is a bit harsh. They have their opinions and we have ours.
@samlam. Let's ban steak knives at Apple Bees and other places since it seems like alcohol and emotions lead to death on more than just a rare isolated incident. The servers can cut all of our steaks up for us so noone is put in danger.
To the antigunners. It's funny that you call progun people scared for wanting to carry a gun to protect themselves yet you sound just as scared that people who haven't been commited of a crime and took a class for safety and use of guns are about to be able to carry in a bar and start shooting up the joint. The reality is the bad guy that is going to go off in a bar is the one already carrying illegally if he were in a bar or at your local Walmart. As a matter of fact most of you probably text and talk while driving and that is alot more dangerous than someone who has never had trouble with the law carrying a gun legally for their own personal protection and the protection of their family.
It's ok though. I would still be there protecting you if ever the bad guy wanted to make you the victim. Please understand that most of us CCW people want nothing but peace and to keep our guns in the holsters they sit in. It isn't there for show (it's concealed) and it isn't there for intimidation and emotional release. It's like locks on doors. Locks on doors are for the innocent people. The bad guys break the glass in and turn the knob on the inside.
June 16, 2011 at 11:30 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Ohio lawmakers vote to allow guns in bars, arenas
ts1227, what you said a Columbus newspaper said doesn't make alot of sense. I hate second hand information. Give us a link to that exact story and then I will comment. I know youwere talking to ttup1rd but the rest of us see it too and until I know the exact part of that story then I would like to either say that one part of the story shouldn't be or correct you on what you may have misread. Maybe you didn't misread it. I need to know and then I will comment.
June 16, 2011 at 11:03 a.m. permalink suggest removal