I THINK FEDUP BOTTLED WATER AND HELENJ ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON.. AND I ALSO FEEL THAT THEY ARE "FOTP". YOU'RE TOO WEAK TO SHOW WHO YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED. HIDE HIDE ALL YOU WANT BUT YOU'RE JUST AS BIASED IN YOUR OPINION AS ANYONE ELSE!! I LOVED THE PRODUCTION OF TITANIC. THE SCRIPT SUCKS! THEY PUT A SINKING SHIP ON STAGE. CONGRATULATIONS! NO "FOTO" COMMENTERS PUT DOWN ANYBODY FROM THE PLAYHOUSE YET YOU SEEM TO FIND IT IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO LAY ALL OF YOUR INSECURITIES ON THE LINE TO MAKE FUN OF EVERYONE. LET'S GO FED UP! YOU WANT TO MAKE IT PERSONAL WE CAN.
As for making it to a big stage. 90 percent of the cast isn't even planning on going to a big stage. They have careers in other fields and this is just their hobby. Something they enjoy, being able to pull together with other people to create something from the bottom up and be able to share it with others, who may be too scared to be up on stage, or may be going through similar situations as the characters. Drama therapy it helps us all escape our demons. Why do you shows good or bad touch people in different ways? There's no reason for anyone to put anyone else down here, it's Youngstown. This is so far from professional, but these people have just as much heart and that shouldn't be held against them. They will vent for as long as they can fight for their heart, let them. You're just as bad as Milan for telling them their SO is nothing. Think about it. I really hope one day you find something to believe in and have it ripped away from you. I think the stable and crew of Eight Belles knows all too well about that. She ran one of the best races I've seen in Kentucky Derby history. She ran until the very end. Literally. Yet they didn't take her pride away. They still talk about how valiant she was and not about how she could have ran faster. She's a professional and when she was put down they did nothing but lift her up. That's what this cast is doing. Fighting for themselves so that they can go on next weekend. This cast has a lot of gusto to be able to bare it all like they did. Kudos.
Bottled... follow up to my comment on having something ripped away....
Your standing ovation comment.. once again back handed. They do have power. I saw The Color Purple in Cleveland, it took the audience until the lead bowed to stand up. Why? You ask. The show sucked. Nothing deserved a SO except the girl who never left the stage. To have the audience on their feet does mean something. Let's look at some examples...
Grey Gardens. No SO until Christine Ebersole and Mary Louise Wilson graced the stage for their bow. Tony award winning performances.
Xanadu. Immediately. The audience had so much fun that they were standing up and dancing to the music before the cast had even left the stage.
Legally Blonde. Horrible. The audience didn't budge until stage diva and legend Orfeh entered for her bow. Not only that but they screamed for her and not so much for the other leads.
As for Youngstown shows I've been to shows where the audience doesn't move. That my friend can be just as powerful as a SO. So why don't you take yourself to the sink, uncap, and dump because I think your tamper seal is broken. Let these kids and NON-PROFESSIONALS fight for themselves. Did you not understand that. Watching their faces up there you could tell that they were relieved to show their bodies on opening night and you could almost hear the sigh of relief as the anxiety left their bodies. LET THEM ENJOY IT. I mean if I stole your child's first place ribbon for the school science fair, you'd be upset too. Really though, It's just a stupid science fair, but in our eyes that ribbon hold meaning. As does ANY SO. The show may not have been the best thing in this area but at least the audience applauded the cast for their hard work. That my friend is what it's about. Having RESPECT for something that so many people have put so much effort into.
I'm not agreeing with everything that has been posted with the people involved, they're upset and are saying things they need to help them get the courage and strength to bare it all again next weekend. I'm also not agreeing with what Milan is saying either. What I will say is that there is a correct way to write a review, there is also and way to do it tastefully and I think Milan did not achieve that in this review. To say that there are good points is an understatement. Most of the comments Milan makes could be a positive if it weren't for the follow-up back handed remarks. For example.. let's replay the "Dog Sees God" review by Milan..
"As a result, you’re more likely to leave the theater crying than laughing. Of course, the suicide of a major character in the second act pretty much guarantees a weepy outcome."
Than my friends is a classic Milan.. did he see the play???? At the end, Charlie Brown finally receives a letter from his pen pal, the letter states that Schroder is in heaven with Snoopy and Woodstock and that he is with them. Also, to not hate him for killing himself and to keep his chin up because it will get better. If that's not emotional enough we find out the the pen pal is none other than Charles Schultz. As the audience left crying that I think would be a pat on the back for the actors in the show because after all it is a drama. Milan was probably so upset that Mr. Mcrae was not in the steamy boy on boy make out scene that it clouded his vision and he didn't pay attention to the rest of the show.
So enough of the crap... a note for Helen.. back off why do you care if you saw it and were thinking about going back again.. SO GO BACK AND SCREW MILAN. Leave it alone.
For the people involved... Milan obviously has issues within himself and wishes he were someone other than Youngstown. You are what you make of yourself. You all received and standing ovation both nights, you had people laughing, crying and clapping. The audience was cheering for you the whole final number. The believed in you, so believe in yourselves. You are what you make and I believe that you have a great show your passion is seen. The moments that shine really truly shine and you make it what it is, a decent, low-budget, difficult to put together community theater show that the public loves. Take what you have and run with it. Life's short. Enjoy being naked on stage while it lasts. Not everyone can say they've bared it all for 300 people. There's a level of respect that goes out to any performer. And I give you all the respect I have. I have faith in you guys. Good Luck on the rest of your run and Good Luck to all the other theaters doing shows (Easy Street, TNT and the Playhouse). Youngstown theater is getting better and better every time I see it. Keep it up kids, You've done well.
It doesn't matter who RBell was talking about when he mentioned the review.. the point of that comment was to express the face that this like Jekyll and Hyde isn't really a dancing show, it's very pedestrian. So no the musical numbers are not going to be heavy with movement like a "typical musical." Could the choreography have been better, smoother, more well put together, tighter??? Yes. Some of that could be the choreographers fault but some of it goes to nerves. Did you see the guys, if i remember correctly they didn't really look like they knew much about dancing. I watched "Michael Jordan's Ball" from the Broadway production, which you can see on YOUTUBE.com and it's not that great. They pretty much run basketball drills for 5 minutes and not much else. And, If you watch "Let it Go," you will also see "dumbed down movement" in respect to the script and the fact that these are not dancing men. Is it more polished .. Yes. It's Broadway, they're paid. The rehearse 8 hours a day before they do a show at night. They don't juggle three jobs, rehearsal, family and school. They can solely concentrate on the show.
Speaking in terms of polishing, If I head correctly there were a couple of deaths throughout the rehearsal process and some actors were not able to be there for a period of time due to these emergencies. I couldn't imagine having to act with an invisible person the three days before opening night.
I believe Jekyll and Hyde at the Playhouse was cast with an 18 or 19 year old as the lead with the rest of the cast just as young, or slightly older. Was that ok??? According to the reviewer, it was. It didn't seem to bother them, they reviewed the performances themselves. Which is what this is all about. Personal attacks on people is not good, healthy or what this area needs. There's already so much competition for these tiny theaters for actors, money and resources, why make it harder?
First off Helen.. Tony Genovese wasn't in the show.. he's living in Florida right now. Shows how much you pay attention. Also, I don't really understand why this must go on.... If you attended the show you would have seen the show stop on numerous occasions due to audience laughter, the standing ovation and great smiles as people left the auditorium. That is a win. Even if one person is affected it's a win.
Laughing Crow once reviewed a show at YSU and gave away the ending to the show. Somebody was outraged enough to even write the opinion section about her lack of respect for the show itself. I didn't care, it didn't phase me I simply remember the effect it had on the mother in the audience who held both of her children and cried at the end as the mother in the play watched her child slip away. That moment is and forever will be etched into my brain.
As for Milan, yes he's allowed to have his own opinions and whether they are good or bad they are still opinions. Does he write great reviews.. No. Simply said Milan and most of the Vindicator reviewers spend the majority of the "review" critiquing the work of the author instead of "reviewing" the production. Either that or they just tell the whole story and write on small paragraph about the actual performance. In this review particularly, you can see Milan's perversion for Eric Mcrae as his favorite performer. (if you'd like to call it that.. ) Milan had the audacity to point out that certain cast members don't look like they work in a steel mill but oddly enough Mr. Mcrae looks nothing like a chip n' dale's stripper yet that is not mentioned.
As with any show there are it's ups and downs, I've seen miscasting at every venue I've been to from Youngstown to Broadway and places in between. I've seen technical blunders, bad understudies and everything else but what I don't understand is why there is the need to call out these performers as "cry babies." For some of the cast this is their first musical, for others it's just one of many but in any case a review such as this that really puts a show down is going to strike a chord in their hearts. These men who are not what every woman fantasizes about are dealing with the same issues as the men in the play.. it's just not that easy to be in your underwear in front of a hundred people when you're fat, too skinny, balding, old, etc. Would you do it Helen?? Milan??? Anyone???
After rehearsing 5 nights a week 4 to 6 hours a night having the joy of opening night ripped away by a review is not easy to swallow and for an amateur group of actors they will respond. Maybe not in the best way or right way but they will fight for something they've sweat over, something they believe in.
‘Titanic’ more than just spectacle
and yes i do suck.. i suck a lot.. i get what you're trying to say "slurp slurp".. are you attacking homosexuals now???? that's real cute
May 25, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. permalink suggest removal
‘Titanic’ more than just spectacle
I THINK FEDUP BOTTLED WATER AND HELENJ ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON.. AND I ALSO FEEL THAT THEY ARE "FOTP". YOU'RE TOO WEAK TO SHOW WHO YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED. HIDE HIDE ALL YOU WANT BUT YOU'RE JUST AS BIASED IN YOUR OPINION AS ANYONE ELSE!! I LOVED THE PRODUCTION OF TITANIC. THE SCRIPT SUCKS! THEY PUT A SINKING SHIP ON STAGE. CONGRATULATIONS! NO "FOTO" COMMENTERS PUT DOWN ANYBODY FROM THE PLAYHOUSE YET YOU SEEM TO FIND IT IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO LAY ALL OF YOUR INSECURITIES ON THE LINE TO MAKE FUN OF EVERYONE. LET'S GO FED UP! YOU WANT TO MAKE IT PERSONAL WE CAN.
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‘Titanic’ more than just spectacle
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May 25, 2008 at 3:41 a.m. permalink
Oakland’s ‘Full Monty’: too long, but enjoyable
Helen, PsyCare. PsyCare, Helen. I think you two are going to get along just fine.
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Oakland’s ‘Full Monty’: too long, but enjoyable
As for making it to a big stage. 90 percent of the cast isn't even planning on going to a big stage. They have careers in other fields and this is just their hobby. Something they enjoy, being able to pull together with other people to create something from the bottom up and be able to share it with others, who may be too scared to be up on stage, or may be going through similar situations as the characters. Drama therapy it helps us all escape our demons. Why do you shows good or bad touch people in different ways? There's no reason for anyone to put anyone else down here, it's Youngstown. This is so far from professional, but these people have just as much heart and that shouldn't be held against them. They will vent for as long as they can fight for their heart, let them. You're just as bad as Milan for telling them their SO is nothing. Think about it. I really hope one day you find something to believe in and have it ripped away from you. I think the stable and crew of Eight Belles knows all too well about that. She ran one of the best races I've seen in Kentucky Derby history. She ran until the very end. Literally. Yet they didn't take her pride away. They still talk about how valiant she was and not about how she could have ran faster. She's a professional and when she was put down they did nothing but lift her up. That's what this cast is doing. Fighting for themselves so that they can go on next weekend. This cast has a lot of gusto to be able to bare it all like they did. Kudos.
May 5, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Oakland’s ‘Full Monty’: too long, but enjoyable
Bottled... follow up to my comment on having something ripped away....
Your standing ovation comment.. once again back handed. They do have power. I saw The Color Purple in Cleveland, it took the audience until the lead bowed to stand up. Why? You ask. The show sucked. Nothing deserved a SO except the girl who never left the stage. To have the audience on their feet does mean something. Let's look at some examples...
Grey Gardens. No SO until Christine Ebersole and Mary Louise Wilson graced the stage for their bow. Tony award winning performances.
Xanadu. Immediately. The audience had so much fun that they were standing up and dancing to the music before the cast had even left the stage.
Legally Blonde. Horrible. The audience didn't budge until stage diva and legend Orfeh entered for her bow. Not only that but they screamed for her and not so much for the other leads.
As for Youngstown shows I've been to shows where the audience doesn't move. That my friend can be just as powerful as a SO. So why don't you take yourself to the sink, uncap, and dump because I think your tamper seal is broken. Let these kids and NON-PROFESSIONALS fight for themselves. Did you not understand that. Watching their faces up there you could tell that they were relieved to show their bodies on opening night and you could almost hear the sigh of relief as the anxiety left their bodies. LET THEM ENJOY IT. I mean if I stole your child's first place ribbon for the school science fair, you'd be upset too. Really though, It's just a stupid science fair, but in our eyes that ribbon hold meaning. As does ANY SO. The show may not have been the best thing in this area but at least the audience applauded the cast for their hard work. That my friend is what it's about. Having RESPECT for something that so many people have put so much effort into.
May 5, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Oakland’s ‘Full Monty’: too long, but enjoyable
I'm not agreeing with everything that has been posted with the people involved, they're upset and are saying things they need to help them get the courage and strength to bare it all again next weekend. I'm also not agreeing with what Milan is saying either. What I will say is that there is a correct way to write a review, there is also and way to do it tastefully and I think Milan did not achieve that in this review. To say that there are good points is an understatement. Most of the comments Milan makes could be a positive if it weren't for the follow-up back handed remarks. For example.. let's replay the "Dog Sees God" review by Milan..
"As a result, you’re more likely to leave the theater crying than laughing. Of course, the suicide of a major character in the second act pretty much guarantees a weepy outcome."
Than my friends is a classic Milan.. did he see the play???? At the end, Charlie Brown finally receives a letter from his pen pal, the letter states that Schroder is in heaven with Snoopy and Woodstock and that he is with them. Also, to not hate him for killing himself and to keep his chin up because it will get better. If that's not emotional enough we find out the the pen pal is none other than Charles Schultz. As the audience left crying that I think would be a pat on the back for the actors in the show because after all it is a drama. Milan was probably so upset that Mr. Mcrae was not in the steamy boy on boy make out scene that it clouded his vision and he didn't pay attention to the rest of the show.
So enough of the crap... a note for Helen.. back off why do you care if you saw it and were thinking about going back again.. SO GO BACK AND SCREW MILAN. Leave it alone.
For the people involved... Milan obviously has issues within himself and wishes he were someone other than Youngstown. You are what you make of yourself. You all received and standing ovation both nights, you had people laughing, crying and clapping. The audience was cheering for you the whole final number. The believed in you, so believe in yourselves. You are what you make and I believe that you have a great show your passion is seen. The moments that shine really truly shine and you make it what it is, a decent, low-budget, difficult to put together community theater show that the public loves. Take what you have and run with it. Life's short. Enjoy being naked on stage while it lasts. Not everyone can say they've bared it all for 300 people. There's a level of respect that goes out to any performer. And I give you all the respect I have. I have faith in you guys. Good Luck on the rest of your run and Good Luck to all the other theaters doing shows (Easy Street, TNT and the Playhouse). Youngstown theater is getting better and better every time I see it. Keep it up kids, You've done well.
May 5, 2008 at 3:12 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Oakland’s ‘Full Monty’: too long, but enjoyable
It doesn't matter who RBell was talking about when he mentioned the review.. the point of that comment was to express the face that this like Jekyll and Hyde isn't really a dancing show, it's very pedestrian. So no the musical numbers are not going to be heavy with movement like a "typical musical." Could the choreography have been better, smoother, more well put together, tighter??? Yes. Some of that could be the choreographers fault but some of it goes to nerves. Did you see the guys, if i remember correctly they didn't really look like they knew much about dancing. I watched "Michael Jordan's Ball" from the Broadway production, which you can see on YOUTUBE.com and it's not that great. They pretty much run basketball drills for 5 minutes and not much else. And, If you watch "Let it Go," you will also see "dumbed down movement" in respect to the script and the fact that these are not dancing men. Is it more polished .. Yes. It's Broadway, they're paid. The rehearse 8 hours a day before they do a show at night. They don't juggle three jobs, rehearsal, family and school. They can solely concentrate on the show.
Speaking in terms of polishing, If I head correctly there were a couple of deaths throughout the rehearsal process and some actors were not able to be there for a period of time due to these emergencies. I couldn't imagine having to act with an invisible person the three days before opening night.
I believe Jekyll and Hyde at the Playhouse was cast with an 18 or 19 year old as the lead with the rest of the cast just as young, or slightly older. Was that ok??? According to the reviewer, it was. It didn't seem to bother them, they reviewed the performances themselves. Which is what this is all about. Personal attacks on people is not good, healthy or what this area needs. There's already so much competition for these tiny theaters for actors, money and resources, why make it harder?
May 5, 2008 at 3:12 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Oakland’s ‘Full Monty’: too long, but enjoyable
First off Helen.. Tony Genovese wasn't in the show.. he's living in Florida right now. Shows how much you pay attention. Also, I don't really understand why this must go on.... If you attended the show you would have seen the show stop on numerous occasions due to audience laughter, the standing ovation and great smiles as people left the auditorium. That is a win. Even if one person is affected it's a win.
Laughing Crow once reviewed a show at YSU and gave away the ending to the show. Somebody was outraged enough to even write the opinion section about her lack of respect for the show itself. I didn't care, it didn't phase me I simply remember the effect it had on the mother in the audience who held both of her children and cried at the end as the mother in the play watched her child slip away. That moment is and forever will be etched into my brain.
As for Milan, yes he's allowed to have his own opinions and whether they are good or bad they are still opinions. Does he write great reviews.. No. Simply said Milan and most of the Vindicator reviewers spend the majority of the "review" critiquing the work of the author instead of "reviewing" the production. Either that or they just tell the whole story and write on small paragraph about the actual performance. In this review particularly, you can see Milan's perversion for Eric Mcrae as his favorite performer. (if you'd like to call it that.. ) Milan had the audacity to point out that certain cast members don't look like they work in a steel mill but oddly enough Mr. Mcrae looks nothing like a chip n' dale's stripper yet that is not mentioned.
As with any show there are it's ups and downs, I've seen miscasting at every venue I've been to from Youngstown to Broadway and places in between. I've seen technical blunders, bad understudies and everything else but what I don't understand is why there is the need to call out these performers as "cry babies." For some of the cast this is their first musical, for others it's just one of many but in any case a review such as this that really puts a show down is going to strike a chord in their hearts. These men who are not what every woman fantasizes about are dealing with the same issues as the men in the play.. it's just not that easy to be in your underwear in front of a hundred people when you're fat, too skinny, balding, old, etc. Would you do it Helen?? Milan??? Anyone???
After rehearsing 5 nights a week 4 to 6 hours a night having the joy of opening night ripped away by a review is not easy to swallow and for an amateur group of actors they will respond. Maybe not in the best way or right way but they will fight for something they've sweat over, something they believe in.
May 5, 2008 at 3:11 a.m. permalink suggest removal