Max, actually I am Catholic and I am a strong supporter of the parochial schools, but only at the grade school level. No one is looking to recruit at first grade. No one is worried about how fast or how big a child is. No one cares how many grade school championships are won. It`s about raising a child with a sound, moral base. Strong in the Catholic faith, strong in family values.
Mooney and Ursuline only care about how many titles can be won. You hear about it every football season. While they are out "recruiting" more stars for their teams who get financial aid or free rides altogether, middle class Catholics who have daughters or non athletic sons have to struggle to raise the $7,000 a year tuition. No one is knocking on their doors or taking them to dinner.
I`ve read comments on these boards in the past from the Mooney and Ursuline supporters claiming, "there`s no recruitment going on." "all that is a myth." "lies created by haters." Now, they`re saying "well, everyone does it." Hoping it gets swept under the rug, and don`t worry, it probably will.
So tell me Max, what point is there to argue? That everyone goes to Mooney or Ursuline because they want a Catholic education? Really? I`ll try to remember that next Sunday at mass. I`ll look for all those football players at communion.
Boy, Mooney has taken a beating the last couple weeks.
Looks like the coach who "resigned" is the sacrificial lamb being offered up to quietly dispose of the situation. Or Mooney is just trying to get ahead of the punishment before OHSAA gets involved.
Here`s hoping that justice is finally served to those schools who have been breaking the rules for so long.
My question is, where are all those Mooney and Ursuline alumni and their comments now that their hand was caught in the cookie jar?
Parlay, enjoy Mooney in the inner city for now. As I see it with all things staying the same, the logical conclusion is the schools future will be a short one. Personally, I give it 10-15 years before shut down. Sooner if the alumni who didn`t get their way pull their financial support as I suspect. Your diverse inner city student population will move to Ursuline for the time being.
Funny, when you think about it, this is actually a short term Ursuline victory. But I suspect they too will fall by the wayside eventually because of the same issues that has befallen Mooney.
The fact is, no one has made comments on one of the true issues that threaten Mooney and Ursuline. Lack of feeder schools. 60 years ago when Mooney was built there was approximately 25-28 parochial grade schools. Now, there are 8. And 2-4 of those probably won`t be around in 5 years.
With the Catholic base in the city dwindling, with alumni dying and their children moving away or not willing to take on their parents support of the schools, Mooney and Ursulines future is in jeopardy already unless action is taken.
Parlay, I`m sure we will run into each other on these boards. I look forward to besting you again. :)
You make a lot of assumptions yourself, parlay, thinking I am white. I experienced prejudice at a young age and still do. Prejudice is everywhere and will continue on as long as there is a difference between peoples. That is "man`s" makeup. That is the reality of life.
There is a difference between the violent act of a teen and a calculating adult? Really? Aren`t both equally as tragic? Did the elderly woman that the teen killed pose a threat? Are you actually going to say that his actions weren`t as calculating? Both involved bad decisions that led to someones death. It doesn`t matter if there is one offender or many.
There is nothing wrong with the church`s mission to help those less fortunate but that doesnt mean the church will give until it is broke. There is still a business side to it. That is evident in all the parochial grade school closings. At some point it will not be economical to stay open. Like it or not you need the charity of those alumni, the ones you alienate with every ranting post you make.
Mooney and Ursline were built with the intentions of giving a Catholic high school education. That was their mission. I highly doubt every football player on those teams are concerned with that. Because if they were they would have been part of the parochial systems starting in first grade.
Ed, that may be true but that isn`t the case for all. I know of many Westsiders who are paying for Parochial high school education out of their own pocket.
Oh, but wait, they do not play football and they were actually going there for an education based in the Catholic faith. The reason Mooney and Ursline was built for in the first place.
Lol you`re cracking me up! Seriously! Lol! What does Medgar Evers have to do with Mooney? If we need to speak about tragedy lets discuss one that is closer to home and might have something to do with the topic. How about the white old woman who was murdered by a black man at St. Doms a few years back? Or the white couple gunned down in their car by the black gangbangers. All happening on the (safe?) south side in broad daylight?
I could care less if Mooney stayed or left but I do find it humorous when you say that it fills a valuable role in the city considering most students and teachers don`t even live in Youngstown and yet you want those students to leave. Also, the fact that most of the black athletes are at Mooney by the grace of those white alumni doesn`t seem to bother you either. I highly doubt those “Catholic” athletes are footing the full $7,000 bill to attend school there. So go ahead and keep ranting, once the families that actually pay the bill to go to Mooney leave, once the alumni that graciously give, stop giving, Mooney will close like everything else in Youngtown and you can have yet another thing to complain about.
No big surprises here. Mooney moving to the burbs never made sense. Although that may be where the catholic base might be, the fact is, Mooney would be competing with Poland, Canfield and South Range for students, three good schools systems. Add the cost of the building which is probably realistically around $30 million, not the $25 estimated. Word is, The Bishop wanted to keep the tuition comparable to Urslines, which would be difficult if there was a move. After the building was constructed how do you pay for the upkeep?
Mooney was between a rock and a hard place once this issue came up. Whether they moved or stayed they were going to lose supporters. That is evident in the earlier posts by Kensgirl. Once one side doesn`t get their way, they take their ball and go home. Now it is just a matter of time before they either combine with Ursline or close altogether.
The most amusing part is how, now all of a sudden, Youngstown is willing to help Mooney. The best they can do is level the 6th ward and leave the school there.
UPDATE | Mooney under investigation by OHSAA; coach resigns amid probe
Max, actually I am Catholic and I am a strong supporter of the parochial schools, but only at the grade school level. No one is looking to recruit at first grade. No one is worried about how fast or how big a child is. No one cares how many grade school championships are won. It`s about raising a child with a sound, moral base. Strong in the Catholic faith, strong in family values.
Mooney and Ursuline only care about how many titles can be won. You hear about it every football season. While they are out "recruiting" more stars for their teams who get financial aid or free rides altogether, middle class Catholics who have daughters or non athletic sons have to struggle to raise the $7,000 a year tuition. No one is knocking on their doors or taking them to dinner.
I`ve read comments on these boards in the past from the Mooney and Ursuline supporters claiming, "there`s no recruitment going on." "all that is a myth." "lies created by haters." Now, they`re saying "well, everyone does it." Hoping it gets swept under the rug, and don`t worry, it probably will.
So tell me Max, what point is there to argue? That everyone goes to Mooney or Ursuline because they want a Catholic education? Really? I`ll try to remember that next Sunday at mass. I`ll look for all those football players at communion.
June 16, 2013 at 12:10 p.m. permalink suggest removal
UPDATE | Mooney under investigation by OHSAA; coach resigns amid probe
Boy, Mooney has taken a beating the last couple weeks.
Looks like the coach who "resigned" is the sacrificial lamb being offered up to quietly dispose of the situation. Or Mooney is just trying to get ahead of the punishment before OHSAA gets involved.
Here`s hoping that justice is finally served to those schools who have been breaking the rules for so long.
My question is, where are all those Mooney and Ursuline alumni and their comments now that their hand was caught in the cookie jar?
June 16, 2013 at 8:29 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Bishop Murry decides against moving Mooney to the 'burbs
Parlay, enjoy Mooney in the inner city for now. As I see it with all things staying the same, the logical conclusion is the schools future will be a short one. Personally, I give it 10-15 years before shut down. Sooner if the alumni who didn`t get their way pull their financial support as I suspect. Your diverse inner city student population will move to Ursuline for the time being.
Funny, when you think about it, this is actually a short term Ursuline victory. But I suspect they too will fall by the wayside eventually because of the same issues that has befallen Mooney.
The fact is, no one has made comments on one of the true issues that threaten Mooney and Ursuline. Lack of feeder schools. 60 years ago when Mooney was built there was approximately 25-28 parochial grade schools. Now, there are 8. And 2-4 of those probably won`t be around in 5 years.
With the Catholic base in the city dwindling, with alumni dying and their children moving away or not willing to take on their parents support of the schools, Mooney and Ursulines future is in jeopardy already unless action is taken.
Parlay, I`m sure we will run into each other on these boards. I look forward to besting you again. :)
June 9, 2013 at 9:58 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Bishop Murry decides against moving Mooney to the 'burbs
You make a lot of assumptions yourself, parlay, thinking I am white. I experienced prejudice at a young age and still do. Prejudice is everywhere and will continue on as long as there is a difference between peoples. That is "man`s" makeup. That is the reality of life.
There is a difference between the violent act of a teen and a calculating adult? Really? Aren`t both equally as tragic? Did the elderly woman that the teen killed pose a threat? Are you actually going to say that his actions weren`t as calculating? Both involved bad decisions that led to someones death. It doesn`t matter if there is one offender or many.
There is nothing wrong with the church`s mission to help those less fortunate but that doesnt mean the church will give until it is broke. There is still a business side to it. That is evident in all the parochial grade school closings. At some point it will not be economical to stay open. Like it or not you need the charity of those alumni, the ones you alienate with every ranting post you make.
Mooney and Ursline were built with the intentions of giving a Catholic high school education. That was their mission. I highly doubt every football player on those teams are concerned with that. Because if they were they would have been part of the parochial systems starting in first grade.
June 8, 2013 at 8:16 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Bishop Murry decides against moving Mooney to the 'burbs
Ed, that may be true but that isn`t the case for all. I know of many Westsiders who are paying for Parochial high school education out of their own pocket.
Oh, but wait, they do not play football and they were actually going there for an education based in the Catholic faith. The reason Mooney and Ursline was built for in the first place.
June 7, 2013 at 11:38 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Bishop Murry decides against moving Mooney to the 'burbs
Parlay,
Lol you`re cracking me up! Seriously! Lol! What does Medgar Evers have to do with Mooney? If we need to speak about tragedy lets discuss one that is closer to home and might have something to do with the topic. How about the white old woman who was murdered by a black man at St. Doms a few years back? Or the white couple gunned down in their car by the black gangbangers. All happening on the (safe?) south side in broad daylight?
I could care less if Mooney stayed or left but I do find it humorous when you say that it fills a valuable role in the city considering most students and teachers don`t even live in Youngstown and yet you want those students to leave. Also, the fact that most of the black athletes are at Mooney by the grace of those white alumni doesn`t seem to bother you either. I highly doubt those “Catholic” athletes are footing the full $7,000 bill to attend school there. So go ahead and keep ranting, once the families that actually pay the bill to go to Mooney leave, once the alumni that graciously give, stop giving, Mooney will close like everything else in Youngtown and you can have yet another thing to complain about.
June 7, 2013 at 8:30 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Bishop Murry decides against moving Mooney to the 'burbs
I`m with you RTS, sounds like Parlayhenry got race issues. He makes it sound like we`re still in the 1850`s.
BTW, look around the south side Parlay, it`s a freaking dump! I can see why they would want to move.
June 6, 2013 at 1:45 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Bishop Murry decides against moving Mooney to the 'burbs
No big surprises here. Mooney moving to the burbs never made sense. Although that may be where the catholic base might be, the fact is, Mooney would be competing with Poland, Canfield and South Range for students, three good schools systems. Add the cost of the building which is probably realistically around $30 million, not the $25 estimated. Word is, The Bishop wanted to keep the tuition comparable to Urslines, which would be difficult if there was a move. After the building was constructed how do you pay for the upkeep?
Mooney was between a rock and a hard place once this issue came up. Whether they moved or stayed they were going to lose supporters. That is evident in the earlier posts by Kensgirl. Once one side doesn`t get their way, they take their ball and go home. Now it is just a matter of time before they either combine with Ursline or close altogether.
The most amusing part is how, now all of a sudden, Youngstown is willing to help Mooney. The best they can do is level the 6th ward and leave the school there.
June 5, 2013 at 11:46 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Youngstown spends $1M-plus on studies, largely unused
Why is this not a big surprise? Youngstown`s mentality will never die until there is no one left.
June 2, 2013 at 10:06 a.m. permalink suggest removal
Poland Seminary High School evacuated
And here I thought Polands poop didn`t stink!
They sure act like it!
:)
May 22, 2013 at 4:54 p.m. permalink suggest removal