the minimum wage is no longer just for teenagers. there are millions of adults raising families and single mothers raising kids. the working poor who have to rely on food stamps to put food on the table. raising the minimum wage puts more money in peoples' pockets which they will spend, thus invigorating the economy and providing jobs. only a knucklehead would deny anyone a livable wage!
here we go another that thinks raising will put more money into peoples pockets. GET SMART THE ONLY THING THAT WILL DO IS RAISE PRICES ON EVERYTHING AND BACK TO SQUARE ONE
If Boehner allows a vote on the minimum wage to come up, I will no longer support him and actively work for his primary challenger.
eivo, you're absolutely right! forget americans struggling and working hard to stay above water. let them and their kids starve. as long as I get mine. yeah, forget that, let's vote again on repealing the affordable care act so people can die for lack of healthcare. I can't think of enough adjectives to throw at you (most are unprintable), so i'll just have to be happy with this. you're a selfish moron. see, I didn't even use an exclamation point.
Sixty percent of people that earn minimum wage are are some kind of public assistance. When people that work for wall mart and micky d's get gov. assistance it comes out of the tax payers pocket. It's not the tax payer subsidizing the worker it's the tax payer subsidizing wall mart and micky d's.
Fast food workers alone receive more than 7 billion a year in gov. assistance. Workers at micky d's receive 1.2 billion while the CEO makes 14 million a year. The tax payer isn't subsidizing the fast food worker the tax payer is subsidizing the CEO. Wake up!
Anyone in favor of this needs a basic lesson in Economics 101. Raising the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour will destroy millions of jobs in this country, not create them. Would you rather there be 10 employees in a small business making the current minimum wage or 6 employees making the new minimum wage? Small businesses will NOT be able to sustain their current payroll with such an increase and therefore they will be forced to eliminate positions. This will put millions more in the unemployment line. Ask anyone who runs a small business and they will tell you the same thing. The idea that this would stimulate the economy and create jobs is foolish. Minimum wage jobs are just that, MINIMUM wage for minimal skills. These jobs are meant to be stepping stones, not life long careers that are required to maintain a household and a family.
@Outskirts, I agree with some of your statements, howvever, the problem is that these jobs are being used to put food on the table, out of necessity. Some of these workers have BA degrees and can't find good work and are forced to take multiple min wage jobs. Nobody can live on 7 bucks an hours. In most cases you can spend more in gas getting to and from work, than you would make in a shift.
@eivo, you said that you weren't against raising the minimum wage before. Oh yeah, you had a randsom note attached to it.
companies like walmart and mickey d's could increase their wages to ten ten and wouldn't lose hardly any of their exorbitant profits. like ted kennedy said, "when will the greed stop!" and of the obstructionist party would have voted for obamas "American jobs act" their would be millions of new jobs fixing the nations crumbling roads and dangerous bridges. estimates say one in four of the thousands of bridges are unsafe. remember minnesota? do more people have to die? repubs, don't dare ask where are the jobs?
@papa, Thats 1
I would be OK with increasing the minimum wage to $9.10 with an additional dollar going into mandatory HSA in a bill that included repeal of Obamacare.
That statement is equal to....I will repeal Obamacare if they make all guns illegal.
Papa, ObamaCare is forcing companies to cut back to 29 hours a week for employees. A company the size of Wal-Mart or McDonald's could not afford to cover every person. So consider this.
That is 11 fewer hours an employee will be permitted in a week, and that is 11 hours worth of pay out of their pocket every week (assuming they were working 40). Assuming the size of McDonald's and its opting to pay the fine rather than pay for coverage, that employee also will receive no healthcare.
That same employee will then have to pick up another 11 hours somewhere else, and they will not receive healthcare at that place of employment either.
The result therefore is your typical McDonald's worker will have to work at two different companies instead of one, and still have to pay for healthcare out of their own pocket. Is that employee better off than before? The answer is no.
And for that, you have the Democrats in Washington to blame. Unless of course you voted for them, so then you would have yourself to blame as well.
Papa1 - Please explain to all of us how the minimum wage debate relates to "crumbling bridges". Not sure how the infrastructure of the United States of America relates to minimum wage conversation. Keep on topic my friend or at least state some facts to backup your opinion.
kernaloftruth....people are trying to pay rent, utilities, gas their car, put food on the table and a shirt on their back all on less than $8.00 an hour and your first comment is what wall mart or micky d's can't afford? Do you know who owns wall mart?
lol poor mcdonalds....at the end of september of last year, they had a net income of $4,188,900,000. but yeah, they just simply can't afford to pay a decent wage.
as far as walmart, at the end of just SIX months last year, they posted a net income of $8,160,000,000. but yeah, keep telling yourselves that these companies are gonna be on the verge of closing everything down if they have to actually pay their employees a livable wage.
typical vindy.com commentors...."nobody except for me deserves a raise ever unless they make at least seven figures."
but don't let actual facts get in the way of goold old fashioned right wing talking points
I agree that the minimum wage should be raised to $10, maybe even to $12. Where I disagree is how to get there. I'm not in favor of forcing it upon employers until the unemployment rate gets below 5%. Imposing it now will only hurt some small business and increase unemployment. This would not affect Walmart's, McDonald's, Exxon or large major retailers. Small mom and pop hardware, gas stations, restaurants, etc. can't compete against the giants. They could be crushed by them just by increasing their monthly expense and the giants sell below cost.
We need to create an environment for economic expansion and competition within the United States.
1. Fair trade laws. We had our chance when Obama had both houses and he failed to address the imbalance.2.Tax incentives to bring back companies who went off shore.3. Tax penalties for companies who leave to take advantage of child labor and third world wages. NAFTA was supposed to bring wages up in those countries and it never did. 4.Bring back all our troops from chasing arabs in the middle east desert and have them chase the illegal aliens out of here. 5.Fine companies heavy for using illegals. 6. Tax incentives for businesses who want to expand. 7. Obama failed to get our infrastructure overhauled with all that stimulus money. Those shovel ready jobs weren't so ready. Another stimulus might help if it were done the right way, not by giving it to friends organizations that produce nothing. 8. A better energy program than what we have now.9. Education. If a child is not academically inclined to move on then teach them a trade, get them in the workforce at 16 or get them ready for the military. 10. Drugs. Harsher sentences. This generation has a hard time passing a drug test.
Once you create an environment for job growth higher wages will increase on their own just because of the competition. I'm sure some of the older geezers around here can remember when they graduated from high school all the mills were calling them when they turned 18. Obama is clueless on what to do. The high food stamp roles, more in the poverty level, wider gap between the rich and poor are his accomplishments. That's why he is at 35% approval. Even the smart democrats are jumping ship. Get the economy working and wages will rise. "Yes Ray, people will come".
Knightcap, Your recommendations are entirely too logical for most on here. They will reject any recommendation that requires any self reliance by the folks, Foe them it has to be a giveaway to everyone with their hand out in order to be effective.
There is no sense of company pride anymore. CEO's and corporate management talk about what they achieved and how they deserve their salaries because their job is more important that a cashier or waiter. Nobody believes a company will rise & fall on the efforts of all its employees anymore. That's why wages that grew as corporate profits grew until the 1970's, have stagnated over the last 35 years.
We shouldn't have an equal wage for everyone across the board, but a return to respect for every person in a company, no matter how low their title is. Most of us think everyone has a right to earn a living, but the minimum wage is not a living. We have a business structure where the few at the top are making a killing each year, while the rest of the company cannot even earn a living no matter how hard they work.
A livable wage would fix that. The Wal-Marts and Mickey D's of the world are just throwing out scare tactics when they cry that they won't be able to afford to do business. Apple Retail stores pay premium salaries and their bottom line is doing just fine. I say call their bluff. Raise the minimum wage to $12-14 an hour. If those business decide to close shop, that's their choice.There are hundreds if not thousands of people working for them who have the brains and work ethic to take their place. If Wal-Mart closes down another retail chain will take their place and hire their employees. There maybe a small hiring freeze, but like every other wage increase it passes quickly because it is impossible to get blood from a turnip. You have to have employees at work to get the job done, no matter what business you're running.
Likewise, the price scare is crap. Yes, some companies will raise prices because they see a wage hike as the opportune moment to make a grab for some extra cash. The Market will drop them quickly. I know some will say I'm delusional because WalMart will raise prices on things people need. Yes they will. And a few other stores won't. Those stores that don't will see their business go up and the others will drop their prices back down to what The Market will allow or suffer the consequences.
One last note since that redherring jumped out of the water again. Obamacare only made it worse. Now instead of barely getting by with one crappy job, most employees are finding themselves having to get by with two crappy jobs. Those second jobs aren't hiring them to work a scant 11-12 hours that would give them a 40 hour a week though. The second employers are demanding them to work up to those 29 hours a week, but not over 30. So they're working overtime, but not getting paid for it. All the while incurring expenses, like higher gas usage travelling between jobs, more childcare costs, and more healthcare costs, that the extra hours don't cover. But the minimum wage argument is about wages and their effect on hiring and prices, not Obamacare's effects.
Kernaloftruth, my point is, my friend, that repubs don't give a damn about the plight of the middle class, which built this country by the way, and don't want anything done to help them, whether it's raising the minimum wage or creating new, much needed, jobs. this country is sliding into an economic abyss for regular people. people are hurting and the American dream is all but gone. the American dream now is how much a corporate ceo can get in bonuses evey year while throwing crumbs to the people who make him all those profits. and Boehner says, "where are the jobs?" if people were paying attention and new what these criminals in Washington were doing I would hope there would be outrage. unfortunately regular folks are too busy scratching and clawing to maintain some kind of existence. I think what they're doing to descendants of those who built America and all real workers, not desk jockeyes, who maintain it, is treasonous to the middle class and there should be national outrage, maybe some day.
@papa, The reason the American Dream is all but gone is there are too many handouts and not enough handups.
The problem is *free handouts*.
People feel entitled, like they should be payed $10/hour instead of *earn* $10/hour through hard work and experience.
It's been said in other comments but here's the tl;dr version: Increased minimum wage results in increase prices across the board. You think $5/cereal at Sparkle is bad? That ain't nothin' compared to what will happen when minimum wage is increased.
Here's my thoughts, if someone is in a low paying job, such as Walmart and McDonalds (simple examples provided above in other comments), they should receive merit raises or time of service raises. If you achieve x you will be paid x more for your hard work and service.
It doesn't need to be a $0.50 or $1.00 raise. Set small goals that are achievable. I guarantee you'll see friendly competitiveness among your workers and a huge increase in worker/customer satisfaction.
I see that the Woodstock commie pot-head take-over of the U.S. is coming along. I just wonder if it will take the American people 70 years to get of them like it took the soviets.
When every last person is receiving a freebie from the government, the new battle will be how can one increase the rate of his freebies faster than everyone else's freebies.
I agree with giving people raises up to the $10 area as long as they are automatic, as long as work performance is satisfactory. But if you leave it in the hands of these companies like walmart and McD's to give raises for good work, it will never happen. As CEO's and management, their focus is making as many billions as they can in profit, and reap in mega bonuses for themselves.
More class warfare.
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