This poll should be interesting coming from this area. If it isn't 95% for yes,in this area, it will NOT pass on the State level
Not sure where you get your info...pure and lame speculation.
Just PURE speculation, the only lame thing was your response. Why is it that liberals always have to resort to name calling?
Not calling any names, but your response IS lame! Check how they vote in Columbus...there are far more public employees in Franklin county than in Mahoning. Just an observation...
I will not vote for the repeal. Once Ohioans see its benefits in action, they would be stupid not to keep this bill in action!
Go ahead and repeal it then see your taxes go up.
I will absolutely support the repeal of this attack on the Middle Class. I will go door to door collecting signatures to get it on the ballot, if that's what it takes. I see a lot of misinformation being spouted by those who are envious of the public workers (but who'd never get their hands dirty doing that sort of work themselves), which is shameful. They're either drinking the Kasich Kool-Aid, or they're so bitter about their own lives that they can't stand to see anyone else not suffer at least as much as they envision themselves suffering.
Valleyred - do you really think your taxes will go down if SB 5 is allowed to be implemented? How naive are you? We have control of our tax load, as every community knows. When the people vote no, their taxes don't go up.
This has been a long time coming. Unions are good to a point, but they have been on over-kill for quite some time now. When you can't let an employee go because they can't/don't/want to do a good job you find that it is almost impossible to do when there is a union involved. Look at our auto unions…they make 30-50 dollars an hour and most only do a few hours work if any at all. You always hear them bragging how they go to work to sleep or read the newspaper or make extra money by selling food to other employees. Yes unions were very good in the beginning, but they have forgotten why they were created. That’s why we can’t afford new cars. Ohio is in trouble and it is going to take DRASTIC measures to get us out. More and more of our young people are leaving. I am a state worker and in the union and these are my opinions.
When there are no police to answer your call during a robbery... or no firemen to put out the fire of your burning house... don't complain to me! I vote to repeal it!!!
This bill is necessary for the survival of the middle class - which is being taxed to death. I hope enough thinking people agree with me.
Clearly someone posted this on some conservative blog or something, by the votes coming in.
Isn't that how valleyred tries to undermine polls that lean towards liberal thinking every time that happens?
So it must be the same thing now.
Tigerlily.. Every Internet poll is UNSCIENTIFIC. Yes this probably posted on a conservative blog, as well as a liberal blog.
When I voted this AM around 630am there was a 170-130 split between the No's and Yes's. No 4000-1000 split?
Honest Abe,MY point,if you couldn't figure it out, was this area is Democratic so if this area doesn't vote to repeal it who will? With all of the union protests you would think that SB5 would easily be defeated --WAIT AND SEE!!
You are a brave soul, by admitting you are a state union worker and that you are against everything that a public union stands for (things SB5 is for) are dangerous words, for you if you are ever outed? We all know so very well how spiteful union people can be, they spike tires at teachers strikes, shoot at you if the teamsters are striking, and I could go on but I would guess you have heard it all down at the hall when they are talking about the owners of the companies they work for? Good luck to you and thank you for standing up and telling it like it is.
It's funny how this poll shows the completely opposite numbers as the actual scientific polls being conducted in Ohio. Interesting. Very interesting.
Find me some actual scientific polls that show people opposed 67-33% buddy. I will be eager to read these!
Just GOP , KKK scum
BTW: Mitch Daniels ended collective bargaining in Indiana a few years back. His approval rating fell to 37%.
Guess what his approval rating is now?
Cmon Guess Democrats....
ytown, you've got to be smarter than that. Linda's not a state worker, that's just some troll pretending to be one.
If Linda were an actual state worker and union member, she would have wrote about abuses by STATE WORKERS. Instead she chooses to use generalizations about UAW, and how autoworkers are lazy and overpaid...Just like the other anti-unionites on here.
The GOP should have been wiser. A governor is elected with only a plurality, by only 2%, during a mid-term election with a Dem president, and with a very low voter turnout. Not to mention all those cops/prison workers/firemen/teachers who weren't informed enough to realize that Republicans don't value what they do for a living going out and voting for Kasich. Add those up, and the numbers don't work in his favor for those running in 2012.
This poll is soooo rigged. I watched NO go up by 100 votes in 30 seconds. This is the most worthless poll I have ever seen.
BTW valleyred...Mitch Daniels ended collective bargaining rights for state workers ONLY...not teachers or municipal workers (police, fire, etc.) He's trying to limit teachers' collective bargaining rights now. Our governor is trying to eliminate collective bargaining for ALL public employees while raising the salaries of his staff (because you have to pay people good money to lure them to the public sector from the private sector-his words). Oh yeah...and he refered to a police officer as an idiot.
you got that right christine1. He's using the same argument for giving his staff big salaries as Gains used. Everyone was up in arms about that. They should be able to see that Kasich is no different. He wants his staff to be immune to the very thing he says is wrong with our state - overpaid public workers. How about leading by example. Take the hits in your own backyard first before you start attacking all the middle class workers.
I worked for the richest railroad in the world (Pand LE) they never lost a penny and were never subsidized but when the mills closed because of the high wages they had to pay due to Union bargaining the Pand LE gave up their rolling stock and now leases their track to the CSX. We had 28 Unions on our property but we couldn't strike, Railway Labor Act. What should be Repealed is OBAMA CARE which was voted on by the LIBERALS without reading what was in it. We are now 14 TRILLION dollars in the red. You can't spend more than you take in.
How many of you "middle class" people can retire with 75% of your salary after 30 years with cadillac health care at 5% co pay for life. SB5 addresses those type of issues. When Delphi screwed its employees I did not not see any other unions jump in for their cause. You people who oppose SB5 need to read the language. The state of OHIO can no longer afford to pay these type of pensions.
Vindy.com why can you not make it a requirement to at least log into an account or even better use a system like ticket master before you can vote in a poll here? Otherwise don't bother. This is a joke.
I am down with ytown1, these polls are getting completely ridiculous. They are posted on conservative and liberal blogs with thousands of votes from people OUTSIDE Ohio.
This is a joke.
Doesn't need to pass on the ballet, it's already law.
It amazes me the Vindy sets their polls up so one person can vote multiple times.Yea, this poll is accurate.
Awww, poor cons don't like the results. Boohoo.
What amazes me is how people can't see the forest for trees on this issue. This is about political power and control of the government. The republicans want the democratic party to be a permanent minority party. How? By de-funding the democrats of their union contributions. Rush Limbaugh and the rest say as much on a regular basis. All while the oligarchs pump enormous amounts of money into republican purses and agendas. Already, the referendum effort is predicted to be extremely underfunded compared to the republican contributions. Wake up people. If you want the country to become an oligarchy, keep supporting the likes of John Kasich and his puppet masters. Here are some sites to enlighten you:
There are more sites available. Due diligence would be advised before voting on this issue.
TigerLily, boy you are a hypocrite. You first attack me because it was posted on a conservative blog, now it is posted on the HuffPo and DailyKos and it is fine.
Like I said... ALL Internet polls are unscientific!
I bet that if the "poll" showed SB5 being repealed the libs wouldn't be complaining,
It does now. But like valleyred states, "these polls are all unscientific!" So why should ANYONE care?
This is the greatest BS I've ever seen. An online poll, on the Youngstown Vindicator website, that says 164,000 people voted in 3 days. Sure ....
As though even 1/10th of that number (16,000) of different people have ever clicked on the Vindicator website in the 5 or 10 years it's been in existance.
The poll is obviously being manipulated to have 160,000 votes cast . Vindy should close it immediately & find a way to ensure more honest voting .
How do I get petition forms for the referendum to recall SB 5? can they be downloaded from the internet or are they only available off line? If the latter, where?
To all public employees: While wishing you all you can get for an honest day's work, I hope you never lose sight of how fortunate you are and have been and that non-public workers are still "working people". Non-public employees also pay taxes just as you do and most have never received a fringe benefit package close to yours.
WOW 168960 people read the VIndicator Blogs.
Its now at 176,148!!!People from Pittsburgh, Columbus and Cleveland are really enjoying our valley news!
Public benefits, pay and especially pensions should be no better than the majority of people paying for them. Teachers, police,county workers, fire have golden benefits. Teachers getting 4 to 5000 a month in pension after 30yrs. in their early 50's?? goto www.buckeyeinstitute.org and check for yourself
If every public employee votes to repeal the bill, that is nearly 400,000 people. The bill will inevitably be repealed -- as it should be.
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