Remember !!!!! the Right wing GOP/ tea patry are in power . Why have they not done something ?????? OH h&ll they were in power for 8 years and did nothing then.
Here is my editorial in today's YSU Jambar on Senate Bill 5: http://i53.tinypic.com/2zqhtus.png
Collective Bargaining and improving Ohio's economy are not even remotely related. According to the USA Today the other day, over 62% of the public is in favor of keeping Collective Bargaining.
It ain't about the money.
LMAO... Last night I go to bed, it was 52%-48% for YES.. I wake up and it is evident this poll was posted on a left wing blog, likely the DailyKos or HuffingtonPost.
Folks, this is an UNSCIENTIFIC poll and this result proves why!
Valleyred, that is an excellent point made regarding the lower pay/benefits of private school educators, which have excellent academic programs.
Remove the Poll Vindy, we can clearly see this is a concerted effort by the pro union forces to make a mockery of the taxpayers.
Remember these are the same officers and firefighters who post here on Vindy, "don't call us when you are need us", if you disagree with us, "because we are not coming". And don't even try to deny it because you know if I take the time, I can dig through the archives and find the quotes, or threats to public safety is what I would call them.
Yes these are the same teachers, who cry out, "It is for the children", then sit around all summer or work a second job for additional income, then go on strike as soon as school starts? Go figure.
The reason Ohio's in debt isn't because of public employees. They play a part, but it's so minor compared to some other reasons, that it's clear what this movement is all about...union busting for future political campaigning purposes.
If Ohio, and the country, would stop giving tax breaks to any business willing to move into the state, we wouldn't be facing such a debt. What usually happens is that a corporation will not pay any taxes for years on end (even though they typically receive millions in sewer/water/street/rail/etc expansion paid for by the state), and then when their deal runs out they find a loophole or declare bankruptcy and move on to another locality and start the same process all over again. This has cost the state hundreds of millions of dollars in forgone tax revenue and infrastructure costs.
The second is medicaid and unemployment. Had the state taken care of its funds dating back 30 years, and made companies properly fund the unemployment responsibilities, we wouldn't be hit so hard right now with the costs.
Thirdly, taxes are simply too low. Everyone yells about how they're paying too much, but taxes have never been lower for what we use of public services. Look at how much we pay for our elderly, many of whom never paid into any system. I'm for being generous, why is the state paying for the housing of many elderly women who never worked or paid into any retirement system? If we're taking the "responsible fiscal" approach, let their families take care of them. The same goes for all these tiny school districts with less than 200 in a grade. In some form or another, we all use some of these services, but we don't want to pay for them.
Last thing, I'm not anti-catholic, but valleyred, don't refer to your education as "private." It wasn't, it was "Catholic." There's a huge difference between a proper private school, and these Catholic schools around here. First of all, most of the Catholic school teachers would never have been hired at a private school, and many wouldn't have been hired at the public schools. Ursuline and Mooney, though the latter is much higher than the previous, are still below Poland, South Range, or Canfield. You could have had a better education at Fitch than what you received at Ursuline. Not to knock YSU, I think it provides a great opportunity for local students, but I doubt many Hawken students went there. Private school kids don't go to YSU. So, you should realize that you're benefiting as we speak from public funds and public employees.
NoBs,It's not about the money,you're right. And why does it have to be? Why can't it be about union employees having their money taken from them by union leaders,given to the democrats to get them elected and to stay in office,then have democrats once in office help the union in their quest for power,higher wages and benefits. Why shouldn't the republicans try to diminish the chokehold the democrats have on all levels of government? It would probably be okay if only the union money paid for these increases,but it's eventually mine and other taxpayers monies that keep the cycle going and using my money to get democrats elected. No other individual,industry or group have the power that unions have to cause a shutdown detrimental to the majority of our country.
Public Employees haven't had a raise in over 5 years people!! They pay taxes just as much as the other guy, I am so tired of hearing how much they take from the state and always blaming the other guy when we ALL know where this came from. Tea Baggers, go drown in a lake somewhere, along with the new elected Governor. Look guys, we have to fight this thing, stick together, we know this is bad for everyone and that means EVERYONE!! I know what I want for my child, a chance in this life and I thank alot of my teachers, they have been wonderful!! I apprectiate my firefighters, policemen, and those that care for the mentally challenged. We voted for these services because they are needed!! And they haven't got all this money all you people think they got!!! Its just a ploy to put us against each other, I can't believe so many can't see this!! But if the ignorant can do these jobs better, guess maybe its time to call it quits in the country of milk and honey all its coming to is what you can get off your fellow American. Sad. Aside from revolting, this is going to become interesting, if alot of us don't leave this state or country all together
how much money do public employees put back into ohio, it has to be alot. what do you think is going to happen in the future if this passes. i want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. i dont want to hear half truths that are pitting one ohioan against the other.
Quail,can you back up your statement that Fox News makes up things,like you accused JessieDavid of doing. Just one commonly-used Fox tactic. Thank you.
bor-y-lie....Here you go. Let me know if you need more.
Federal public employees do not have collective bargaining rights and there are 2 million of them, they certainly are entitled to belong to a union, but never compelled to pay union dues.
If a public (servant) sector union goes on strike, there must a automatic 1 year deduction to their seniority for each day on strike or blue flu.
Quail,I don't post when cambridge is involved. See you some other thread. FWIW the TEA Party keeps republicans in line,nothing to do with you dems. I don't know why you and your ilk have a problem with Taxed Enough Already Party.
In the State of Ohio, Teachers on average pay for 10 to 15% of their health care plans and 10% of our pay for retirement!!!!!!! Once again, the Republican media sources misinforming the public. JUst remember, if the fundamental right of collective bargaining is legally stolen for the public sector, it will soon fall from the private sector.
LIttle know fact for teachers who everyone believes are the cause of Ohio's *billion dollar short fall", Starting teachers in Youngstown that have a family of four qualify for free and/or reduced lunch for the first six years of being employed. Also, The Republican leg. mandated the new teachers MUST HAVE A MASTERS DEGREE within the first seven years of teaching. This is a a burden on the school districts because of the high qualification costs.
Someone with my degree in the private sector will make 25 to 40% more easy. So, leave public sector workers alone. Remember, it was ELECTED officials that agreed to the contracts that are currently in place. The elitist politicians are doing a masterful job pitting Average Middle class Americans against each other as a distraction to the truth. The want the have-it-all's and the rest of us!!!!!
It is not a public worker issue that has caused the budget problems. It goes back 30 years to Ronald Mc.Reagan. He was the one major player. Lets cut taxes and triple spending in the federal budget. Oh yea, lets cut funding to the states and places mandates on those same states to figure a way to pay for it.......It's the officials that have been and currently elected, not public workers. Many have said it....America, we are in a race to the BOTTOM.....lets cut all wages to 7 dollars an hour and see how the economy in this valley handles it......people wake up before....if its not too late and Take America back...labor built it....corps, and Political greed are destroying it...
All this is just talk !!! you voted the thugs in and they are in power get over it. Did you really think they the GOP/KKK were only going to go after the poor in Ytown ??? Then you are FOOLS
Here save is a chart to support the issues, pay close attention to the (*) and double (**) at the bottom notes,
These are only some of the problems, we need to rein in this excess that we just cannot afford.
And could you please show us the facts where they want everyone to make $7.00 per hour? We are mostly talking about people make $35-$45 per hour with unlimited overtime and all benefits being covered under their contract. The contribute nothing, not even copay's. Not that everyone get that but there are a lot of adjusting we need to do so we do no end up in receivership to China because we can not pay our bills. All state governments constitutions require balanced budgets if I am correct, and right now quite a few states including Ohio are not able to do this. This is basic economics 101, or did you skip that class to go hang out at the mall?
3 Trillion in unfunded public retiree pensions nationwide
Hey Rocky, I believe if you include the benefits provided them, you could come very close to those number could you not?
To saveourcountry....curious in which school district you are employed. In the Mahoning County...there is not one school district that I am aware of in which the teacher contributes to their STRS. The school district picks up both sides. As far as health insurance, there are many districts that still have no copay.
With our economy going south resources to keep the special ones in an elevated atmosphere are getting scarce . They can't accept this fact and are screaming that the little people have the capacity to sustain the status quo by contributing more of their meager share of the pie .
Our horrible economic climate has impacted many, many citizens in our country and has forced companies to let good people go, while keeping union people on board. My wife and I both went through some terrible times in the past 2 years and have adjusted to severe financial loss, but still feel anger towards inflexible unions who were protecting their own at the expense of others. Now the union workers are facing the reality of what the rest of the public has faced and I don't care. Afterall, they did not care about me or my wife when we were laid off. But, they want all of us to care about them now. Sorry, I don't care, but I do care about balancing our books and reducing my taxes.
Spinman...... So, let me get this straight. the part on my pay stub that say STRS deduction really isn't coming out of my paycheck. (It adds up to 10%) Dam, if I knew that, Why am I paying it into MY RETIREMENT? Ohio is different than Wisconsin. We pay for healthcare and retirement
Thus far then, I've lost over one hundred thousand dollars with that payroll deduction. Man, get you facts straight. Teachers pay 10% in all of Ohio and 0% into SS. So, you get SS while teachers today don't. If you don't believe it, I'll gladly meet you and show you the facts!!!!!!!
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