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How would you rate President Obama’s first eight months in office?
| Choice | Percent | Visual | Votes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 33% | 325 | |
| Fair | 15% | 157 | |
| Poor | 50% | 500 | |
| 982 total votes | |||
andersonathan (384 comments)posted 2 months, 3 days agoWiki George Soros some time, ask England, ask the Asians.
Look up Democracy Alliance, follow who this guy funds.
I will give you one fine example Project Ohio is being funded through the back door by this man. In fact if you do some typing you find almost every heavy industrial state or what was OH, MI, etc Soros and his friends are sliding money into them through groups to push the Obama socialist agenda.
Obama handed a Brazilian company 2 Billion dollars for oil exploration Soros owns a part of it or has stock in it some say as high as 15%, most report are above 10% So at 10% that's 200 million of your tax dollars funneled to Soros.
But hey make those telling the truth out to be racist. Attack them and their family's. Then blame Bush.
So why don't we all get off our high horses for a bit and start supporting the troops and their mission. And if you can not do that then please walk in front of the troops for they are being killed daily in Afghanistan by road side bombs.
But no Obama wants health care at a tune of almost 900 billion, he wants to impose cap and trade, he wants to investigate the CIA. He has no problem with the SCHIP, SODA or FAT TAX. He has no problem funding abortions in other countries and handing planned parent hood their few hundred million. He has no problem standing in front of congress and telling bold face lies to them and to the country.
I Hope He Fails To!
Jessiedavid (100 comments)posted 2 months, 3 days ago andersonathan & ProAmerican, ..If you're regularly watching Fox News you also know there's a vast majority who are now totally fed up with the out of control corruption in our Government, and with being called "racists" for merely speaking the truth.............
andersonathan (384 comments)posted 2 months, 3 days ago True, I turned off all MSM and cable, I tune into a couple of people on the AM dial like Mark Levin.
I never voted for GWB [no vote in 04] I wrote off the democrats due to 911 and coming out saying things like we support the troops but not the war, of course abortion and other things made it a easy move. I never like the Haliburton /Chaney relationship but not a lot of choices out there in that area. The biggest problem was in 06 when everything came to a grinding halt when congress changed hands. And it is still a problem.
Any fool out there that still thinks Barry O and the boys are not full blown liberals by now are idiots. The only thing that kept Billy Clinton in the center range was a Republican congress.
So as far as both parties go I do not trust either one, I will however stand with the Conservatives and hope that they get their act together and join forces like they have with the TEA Party and make as much noise as possible not only in exposing these people for who they are and holding them accountable. But a loud enough voice to make a difference. And let both parties know it is time to start listening to the people, not special interest groups or start looking for other work.
And you are right those who want to voice a negative tone towards this administration is quickly tagged and bagged as a racist. And after that week old debate defending your self or trying too, they switch to blaming Bush, till the next person or group calls them on their bold face lies. Then it is back to being racist again.
cambridge (915 comments)posted 2 months, 3 days ago andersonathan....."And you are right those who want to voice a negative tone towards this administration is quickly tagged a and bagged as a racist."
Since the quote below is your post on Nov.4, 2008 I can see where some might suspect you as being a racist.
andersonathan....."OMG that Hussien guy u, no the Muslim who is half white with the Aunt won? We are doomed Jan, 20th 2009."
borylie (191 comments)posted 2 months, 3 days ago andersonnathan, If your called a racist,whether you are or not,agree and say,so what? Don't defend yourself,it doesn't matter. Let's quit letting the libs change the subject and end debate. Stay on offense.
Nonsocialist (347 comments)posted 2 months, 3 days ago I find it stunning that followers and rulers of the DSP(Democratic-Socialist Party) have the audacity to call anyone a racist. I believe that they do it because they realize that they'll lose a fact and reason based discussion everytime.
I could fill volumes with the racist history of the DSP, but here's a taste:
Dred Scott Decision
1864 DSP (then just the DP) platform advised withdrawl from the Civil War and continuance of slavery.
Opposition of the 1964 Civil Rights act DP>GOP
KKK formed from a radical branch of DP
Current Senator Byrd (D-WV) a former member of KKK.
DP opposition to reconstruction and the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments.
Ongoing support of entitlements that disincentivize minorities to seek education and financial indepence. I've heard this government-dependence refered to as "Uncle Sam's Plantation."
For shame, Jimmy Carter, for shame.
borylie (191 comments)posted 2 months, 3 days ago Jimmy Carter: 18 white males,1 white female,1 black female. This was Carter's cabinet for his 4 years.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months, 3 days ago Epic, why does reality frighten you so much? I told the truth and YOU can't accept it.
andersonathan (384 comments)posted 2 months, 2 days ago Come on Cambridge I know you can do better than that.
Hussein guy? Truth his middle name is that.
Muslim? His father was under Muslim law he is one when born? So look that up.
Half white? Well close kinda, like a caller into Ingram said that is wrong to say. Since once you put chocolate in milk it changes color and flavor forever? And he was a brother of another color.
His own Aunt? Yes she was a illegal and by law she should have been deported. One half brother living in a hut, one have brother busted for pot, half sister? Grandmother on his dad's side last we heard just received electric and running water. Yet I am sure the issue of John McCain's ex-wife and Sarah Palin's son and pregnant kid were more of a moral issue, rather than a family values issue. It would have been kinda hard to keep track of relatives while attending Harvard Law, since the Aunt lived in Boston. Or it might take to much to reach out to his deep heritage in Kenya [tag-n-bag me] and help a brother out?
Or better yet move them all into a Tony Rezko slum lord apartment building right there in Chicago. This way they all could have attended Rev. Wright's church together. Everyone could see the kids and his wife, I am sure employment through ACORN could of happened, I mean the possibilities are endless. And why are my Tax Dollars paying for the First Ladies Mother being housed in the White House?
So you do not need me to plaY the card when it seems fit. he started this race deal in Iowa and like I say your side uses it anytime some one has every tried to say anything negative about him, his policies etc. Bill Clinton SC primaries tagged and bagged. If anyone is throwing fuel on the fire coming to race it is coming from your side you want this and you need this issue. And the rest of us are very tired of it.
AND I HOPE HE FAILS TO!
cambridge (915 comments)posted 2 months, 2 days ago Nathan....There your comments not mine. They speak for themselves.
Jessiedavid (100 comments)posted 2 months, 2 days ago andersonathan, A GREAT post! We collectively, as a free Country, must continue to speak the truth without fear, rather than being bullied into continuing to skim the truth with the same tired old politically correct stuff, that is now becoming (out of necessity) rapidly outdated, thanks to the vast majority of completely corrupt and out of control politicians, beginning with Obama. He has put us innocents over-the-top.
andersonathan (384 comments)posted 2 months, 2 days ago Maybe the sad thing is about all of this, people wanted change and still do. But a change into a socialist country is not going to happen with out a fight.
The people have a voice and that voice shall be heard. And from recent events it is working.
Your side does not need a single {R} to do a thing and personally I wish you would do it with out us so I could say told you so down the line.
And anyone who thinks email, letters, phone calls to your Congressmen and Senators don't work your wrong. Unless your dealing with Little Timmy and Brown Nose Brown. There are others in this country that will listen and take your money.
I just want to know Why ABC NBC CBS MSNBC [mslsd] CNN and even local news and papers will not cover the disgraceful dealings of ACORN. One must wonder since everyone knows ACORN is OBAMA and OBAMA is ACORN is this the reason? Approval ratings is a joke with out the truth.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months, 2 days ago Half white, half black, all red. The govt. is America's most lethal enemy. Cap And Trade, national health insurance, NAFTA, CAFTA, SAFTA, climate change myth, promoting illegal immigration, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Social Security, ACORN tax breaks, income tax, busing, welfare, S.S.I, food stamps, Head Start, TARP, Stimulus Package, Recovery And Reinsvetment Act, Endangered Special Act, NPR, Public tv, Capital Gains Tax, inheritence tax, bonus tax. Anyone care to add to the govt. theft list?
Hortus (34 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago I am an independent voter, therefore I look at all candidates with a jaundice eye.
Being either a Republican or a Democrat means nothing to me, except these are the two most corrupt organizations imaginable. I don’t batter or barter with them unless they use their political clout to harm me.
And they both have, using my disability as their weapon of war (specifically Westmoreland County, PA) where they consider mental illnesses and developmental disabilities as the same thing--which they are not.
A person running on the Independent ticket means nothing either unless they agree to thorough and honest vetting procedures.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago I still think that Obama continues to do a good job, in spite of the conservative entertainment industry's attempt to bring him down.
They know that what Obama is trying to accomplish is very good for this country, but very bad for their well-lined pockets.
Their fear of what he may accomplish has driven them to spend much of that money mashalling their blind, unquestioning minions against Obama's initiatives. And, unfortunately, we have many examples of how well this works. For example, look at how many of these zombie-like waifs automatically believed Palin's "death panel" commentary without question, even though it was clearly a lie.
Will the good he is trying to do, overcome the forces aligned against him? I hope so, but I have my doubts. Many others have tried and failed.
Hey Merkin, a question for you: Are you a Christian and do you believe that the bible is the word of god?
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago Quailbird, the conservative entertainment industry. LOL!You think Obama's doing a good job? Imagine if he was doing any better? Maybe he can disarm America, kill our economy and nationalize buiness ever faster. Yes, I believe the Bible is the Word of God.
Palin told the truth about the death panels.
OBAMA POLL
GOOD 30%
BAD 50%
Do you remember when the Bamster said we shoudn't focus on Iraq but on Afghanistan? But victory is not the goal. Cofused? So is Obama.
cambridge (915 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago FactCheck.org says Palin lied about death panels.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-v...
scrooge (563 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago Cambridge - OK so they aren't called "death panels". What exactly would you call manditory counseling for the elderly on how to die? HMMM?
Just give em a pill to ease the pain instead of spending thousands of dollars to prolong AND BETTER their life. What the heck, they're old and a drag on societhy anyway.....right?
By the way how OLD are YOU??
Typical Liberal B.S.
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago Great post, scrooge. Clearly you're the one paying close attention to things. Unfortunately in your case age clearly doesn't reveal intelligence.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago Scrooge,
That's easy. There is no mention "manditory counseling for the elderly on how to die" in any of the proposed health care reform bills.
What there IS is this:
If someone wants to discuss their end-of-life wishes with their doctor, the plan will pay for the visit. Currently, under medicare, the patient must pay for this service on their own. This is something that has long been on the wish list of the AARP.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago Maybe a patient would be better off with with a pain pill, didn't the Bambster say something to that effect? What about the Bamster Czar who advocated forced abortion? Has he been appointed yet un-elected or vetted by congress? Palin isn't the liar, the sociaists are the liars and Obama is a master.
cambridge (915 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago Dorothy...."What about the Bamster Czar who advocated forced abortion?"
If your going to post something that outrageous how about providing a link to some reliable source to back it up?
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago CamBilge, I'm not Dorothy but she has enough going to defend herself. This idiot is the Science Czar, check it out. I'm sure you'll still deny the truth like all faithful socialists. His name is HOLDRAN. A super-leftest loon making average lefto loons looking like conservatives.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago The correct spelling of this left wing moonbat is JOHN HOLDREN.
andersonathan (384 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago Look it up, Cambridge from a man who uses factcheck? LMAO?
cambridge (915 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago I don't quote someone from some blog or Fix Noise as though it's fact. I use a reputable new source. Provide a video or a direct quote from John Holdren saying "I promote forced abortion."
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago All you conservatives, did't I tell you CamBilge would distort the truth about the death panels.
He wants video proof of John Holdren stating his belief for forced abortion.
We have proof of ACORN'S promoting child molesting, legal immigration, tax evasion for pimps and prostitutes, etc. Is that enough proof for you CamBilge? Or did the right doctor the video, lol.
How about your claim of 75,000 or less attending the DC Rally on 912?
If you want to see and hear forced abortion advocate would be czar John Holdren, check it out online.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago To whomever is interested in the truth:
Mr. Holdren discussed in his 1969 book ways that future generations may choose to counter uncontrolled population growth. He and his co-author did not in any way, shape, or form "advocate forced abortion" some have suggested on this board. They were simply speculating about what the future may hold.
The neo-cons on this board would have you believe that, because of this book, he supports "forced abortion."
That's like saying that Orwelle advocated a world in which "big brother" watched our every move just because he made a speculative movie. Or that Charlton Heston supported eating our elderly just because he starred in a movie that discussed such a thing.
As you already know, the neo-cons who habituate this site will respond to this truth with more insults, and discombobulated ramblings about a range of unrelated topics. It's all they know. Forgive them . . . dementia is an illness, not a choice.
Instead, I am directing this post to those of you who are truly searching for the truth. Hold what these individuals say up to the light of truth, and you will quickly see how transparent they are.
The Quail
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago Hey Merkin,
I am very glad that you are happy with the results of this poll. That brightens my soul.
A lonely old man, who seems to have nothing to do but spend his days and nights posting on an Internet board, needs something to smile about.
Maybe I'll check in on my lunchbreak tomorrow. Enjoy the money and the free government-run health care my labors will earn for you tomorrow.
I know . . . you think you earned them. But the bottom line is that you still willingly particpate in socialist programs that benefit YOU.
OK, I'm going to go live my life now. I won't worry though . . . I know you'll be here when I return. After-all, you've got nothing else to do. I pity you old man . . .
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months, 1 day ago QuailBirdBrain,
I'm not a lonely old man; I'm self-employed, pay my own private health insurance, sacrificed, invested and saved my after tax income to support both good and bad govt. I'll explain the truth to you again, so don't pretend you're too stupid to understand. Social programs, i.e. Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme (do a word search). Both the worker and companies pay into it. Stupid socialist employees believe they're getting over on the boss b/c he pays for half; but in reality, the boss has to add that cost to his prices, so they're not getting over on him. Soc. Sec. is forced on us. We have to buy into it even though we can do much better (ROI) with our own private plan, sometimes 4X better. And it's bankrupt, lol. It's not a vested account, so you don't own it. Do you know the def. of VESTED? Getting back to a Ponzi, it's pay as you go. Soc. Sec. is bankrupt; so is Medicare, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae. That's socialism, you fool.
Are you really a working person? A working person wouldn't want to work for the lazy bum you in-accuraterly described as me. Maybe you described yourself, moocher!
BAMSTER POLL
GOOD 33%
BAD 50%
I'm happy you're happy with the poll. I hope you'll be a lot happier.
Eric (132 comments)posted 2 months ago Quail is right, there is no "death panel" that would cut off care to critically ill patients. Palin incorrectly called it that and sparked all kinds of unnecessary controversy. The health care plan simply allowed Medicare to pay for consultations of patients with their physicians concerning end of life issues, such as pain management and appropriate treatments for aggressive diseases.
Let's be honest-all of us will die. I worked in long-term care for many years, and I, as well as my former coworkers, can immediately testify to the value of such a service. That is why AARP supports the measure. Patients need to be able to have open and honest discussions with their physicians about the appropriate treatments of diseases that will ultimately end their life. Anyone who equates this type of discussion to a "death panel" is just ignorant.
Freethinker (24 comments)posted 2 months ago This letter to the Editor was taken from the Tribune Chronicle. It was rather interesting.
DEAR EDITOR:
Now let me understand your position. You shout, rather loudly I must say, that you don't want any government run socialistic health care.
Let's see now, you get up in the morning and stumble into the bathroom, wash your hands and brush your teeth, and whatever else you do. Now back up a little, first thing you do is turn on that faucet and out comes that glorious government run socialistic water. Sure beats going outside with a bucket and getting water from a cistern. You can tolerate a little socialism.
Now you flush the toilet and again everything is gone into that government run socialistic sewer system. We both know that you would rather use an outhouse or just carry it out and dispose of it yourself, or maybe you can tolerate just a little more socialism.
Well it's now time to get the kids onto that big yellow government-run socialistic school bus which will take them to that government run socialistic public school. We both know that you would rather pay for your kid's transportation to a private school that you would gladly pay for. Yea, sure we know. Well we can put up with just a little more socialism.
Cont. on next post
Freethinker (24 comments)posted 2 months ago You call your mother to see what is going on and she tells you that she and dad are going to the bank to cash that government run socialistic Social Security check that they got in yesterday's government run socialistic mail. Its tough getting by on just government run socialistic Social Security since dad lost his pension that he worked a lifetime for, in the capitalistic bankruptcy court. Health insurance and life insurance gone. They really don't like living on government-run socialistic Social Security but you haven't been able to give them the money they need. Mom has an appointment to have surgery and if you can't give her the money to cover the expense they'll have no choice but to use that darn government-run socialistic Medicare.
Well, you decide that you will go and help your parents so you get into the car and turn onto that government-run socialistic highway to get to their house. Now why didn't you just travel across your property to the neighbor's property line and negotiate payment to cross their property to the property line where you would then negotiate with that property owner to cross that property to the next - you get the idea. Maybe you can tolerate just a little more socialism.
You yell at people, rather loudly, that we have the best health care in the world and you don't want it changed.
The World Health Organization has the U.S. health care system ranked No. 37 in the world. Now I believe that we have the best health care in the world if you have the money. Fifty million people don't have the money; therefore we do not have the best in the world. The life expectancy listed by the world health organization has the U.S. at No. 24. We pay twice per capita as other countries.
Richard Cecconi Sr.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months ago Socialism isn't free. You pay for it. Public schools are a failure. Billions of hard earned money and look at the results. School systems are bankrupt. Social Security, Medicare are bankrupt. There aren'
t 50M without health insurance. More like 15M. America has the best health care in the world. The worst health care is in communist governments like Cuba. Of course we need govt. roads, sewer and water systems. That's a given. Do we need govt. owned car companies, insurance companies, banks? Name ONE socialist or communist which is successful. Most Americans are satisified with their health care. Lower health care costs by allowing the 1300 insurance companies to compete state to state instead of restricting them to only one state. Allow us to form group plans. We need tort reforms to lower physicians' costs which is passed on to the patient. We need capitalism (competition) not more govt. Nations with socialized health care pay as much as 60% of their income in taxes. Can you sue a socialized health care system for malpractice? Do you want the govt. to have access to your financial, medical and personal records. Yes, there will be death panels. Obama's health czar advocates forced abortions. Isn't that a prelude to a death panel? Didn't the Bamster say if a patient is too old, maybe it's better to give him a pain pill? Women in the UK die at a higher rate than they do in the USA b/c they don't have access to the meds. The reason, too expensive. They are also dying at a higher rate from osteoporsis for the same reason. The UK doesn't have the money and can't afford to treat those patients humanely. The Native Americans have "free" health care, until the end of June of each year when it runs out to money too. Socialism is the cowards way out. It appeals to the greedy, lazy and stupid.
Health care in America is far superior to any other nation worldwide. Canadians are very concerned about social medicine being mad law in America. They need to come across their borders to the USA for correct diagnosis and timely health care. They fear being put on a waiting list for months or even years and by that time their condition gets even worse. Of course, in socialized health care systems the diagnosis is often incorrect.
Socialism is in-efficient, very costly and a failure everywhere. If you can receive better health care anywhere else, go there. Enjoy you trip.
borylie (191 comments)posted 2 months ago Freethinker,The examples you give aren't enough,you want more? How much more? Where will you draw the line? Will you even draw a line?
Jessiedavid (100 comments)posted 2 months ago ProAmerican... There's no point arguing with Socialists, because America is bankrupt, and there is no more money to continue on with the way too absurd Socialist give aways of the past decades. Out of necessity, there will be continuous cut backs, because that's how it is when there is no more. The income from the loss of tax revenues is astounding. ..Can't help but wonder if Obama is pushing health care with every smoke filled breath he takes, to keep people from talking about the way things are.
Eric (132 comments)posted 2 months ago A managed care company can't be sued for malpractice-the physician is the one who has to be sued. Where do you get the 15M for the number without health insurance? That is sure the lowest I've ever seen. ProAmerican, you frequently throw around facts and figures. I would appreicate it if, just for once, you would cite your sources.
Data from a 2000 WHO study has rebuffed the idea that the USA has the best health care in the world. This is based on more than just the USA's poor performance in life span and infant mortality. True, you picked one health indicator where the US does very well-breast cancer. But, Australia beats the US in treatments of both cervical and colorectal cancer. And, if a Canadian needs a liver or kidney transplant, they best stay in their own country-the success rates there by far beat the USA's.
My point here is that different countries excel in different areas. That doesn't mean one healthcare system is necessarily superior to another's. People love to compare the USA to the UK, but other countries, especially Australia, have much stronger socialized health care systems. Just because the UK has a bad system doesn't mean that all socialized healthcare systems are bad. I'm not an advocate of bringing socialized healthcare to the USA, but I also always look at other options with an open mind.
borylie (191 comments)posted 2 months ago Eric,and just because Australia has a stronger health care system,is it because they don't spend money on other social programs like we do? Therefore, having more money to spend on health care? Just asking.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months ago Eric, Australia citizens also have a choice to keep their private plan.
Canadians flock to the Cleveland Clinic, Michigan and New York for quality healh care for small ailments and large complicated surgery. They have to wait for month and even years for treatment and frequently have to wait for long periods of time just to have an initial appointment.
Also, Canadians pay a lot more income tax for their free health care. Socialized medicine is nearly as good as the private American heatlh care in a few nations but their taxes are much higher. Norway's citizens income taxes are 60%. That's just income taxes alone, not including other taxes there.
Eric (132 comments)posted 2 months ago ProAmerican, I am trying to figure out where you got your Norway income tax rate. I did some web research, and the closest I got was around 28%. Norway has a progressive system like the US, so the rate varies depending on income. In discussing tax rates it is necessary to include other taxes, such as FICA, state taxes, local tax, sales tax, etc. This is important because the money has to come from somewhere-for example, Tennessee has no state income tax, but most counties have sales tax of 9.25%. The best comparison I found is at http://ic.pressflex.com/249.pressflex.ne... It is dated, but it does show that Norway's all inclusive rate is only a few points above the US's.
Another factor to consider is the amount of an employee's pay that is devoted to paying health insurance premiums. My employer pays a monthly health insurance premium of about $360 for every employee to United Healthcare (this is for a single person, and is after employee portions). That works out to be 10-15% of most employees' pay. If I was instead given that $360/month and paid a bit more in tax, I would probably end up with more money in my pocket. Most people don't realize how much of their compensation package is used for health coverage.
Freethinker (24 comments)posted 2 months ago My last post was taken from another newspaper...I thought it was an interesting spin. I enjoy it when people think for themselves. We don't get too much of that here as all I read is the same material I hear on Limbaugh and Beck.
America currently ranks 37th in health care. I am not satisfied with this statistic. France currently ranks 1st. That upsets me. I know we can do better.
I am interested in ProAmerican's background. You must have a PhD and have lived in many, many countries to be such an authority on so many topics.
Eric, I truly appreciate your thoughtful posts. You do some research before sitting down to the table. Too many just ramble on with unsubstantiated, hate filled accusations and claims.
Be well, all
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months ago ERIC, YOU LIE! Yes the money has to come from somewhere. Do you know who provides the source of income, such as sales tax, FICA, Soc. Sec. Medicare, etc. The Tooth Fairy?
Your health care is partially paid for by your employer? How do you like the idea of it being taxed by the Bamster? Those lying, corrupt, socialist rulers want to tax you benefits. Didn't the Bamster say if your income is under 250K married and 200K single, your income tax wouldn't increase one Dime. And the rich taxes would increase to pay your free health care. You people were orgasmic when you thought someone else would be robbed of their income so you couldl have a freebee.
That's socialism, rob from someone else so you could have it easy at someone elses expense.
Freethinker (24 comments)posted 2 months ago Eric,
Evidently people are not reading your post with the understanding of what you are trying to state. As an employer, I found your last post to be rather accurate.
It may be too late in the game to secure some of the changes our Country so desparately needs. The economist Chris Martinson believes our total liabilities as a nation, as of last year, exceed $50 trillion. He stated that our economy, as we knew it, is over and a whole new economy is currently evolving.
Food for thought.
borylie (191 comments)posted 2 months ago Freethinker,I'm glad you don't charge for your thinking. Seriously,I hate to interrupt your love affair with Eric,but neither one answered my easy questions. I'm also glad you listen to Limbaugh and Beck. I think a lot of posters sound just like Olberman and Maddow,who never have a person on their shows with a different view than theirs. The listeners hear only one side of every topic. At least Rush begged to debate Obama. Back to the question of Obama's first 8 months,even this 75% democrat area is being beat in this poll by 17%. People are waking up,set your alarm.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 2 months ago America's success was due to limited govt. allowing people to enter the fields of business, eduction and R & D and creating huge industries, thus creating millions of jobs. The big govt. anti-American socialist want to un-do all that greatness with over-regulating big, intrusive govt. and confiscatory taxes which stiffles ambition and stimulates unemployment.Cap And Trade, international taxes, internation laws, open borders and national health insurance are lethal to America. Don't let them get away with it without a fight.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!
andersonathan (384 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Just get real if there is a panel that will ultimately decide if you have the operation or take a pill or what ever the case may be and call it what ever you want to. Ultimately that panel of people looking at numbers in cost most likely rather than the medical records or opinion. Could be called a death panel or a life extension panel either way it is going to be out of your hands.
And next your going to tell me that his plan will not call for mandated health care?
Better yet lets stick to the LIE maybe people will not notice the rest.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Andersonathan,
I stand my me earlier statement:
"There is no mention "manditory counseling for the elderly on how to die" [AKA 'Death panel']in any of the proposed health care reform bills.
What there IS is this:
If someone wants to discuss their end-of-life wishes with their doctor, the plan will pay for the visit. Currently, under medicare, the patient must pay for this service on their own. This is something that has long been on the wish list of the AARP."
Just because you WANT to believe that there will be some kind of "death panel" does not make it so. You really need to let this one go. Call it what you you will . . . there is no such thing and never will be.
To whomever is interested in the truth: Canadians are NOT flocking to those clinics for health care. Merkin made that up and has no reliable evidence to the contrary.
To whomever is interested in the truth: Please note that Merkin ignored Eric's dispute of his statements about Norway's income tax. Apparently, he made that up also.
To whomever is interested in the truth: Please take Merkin's propensity to make things up as you consider the veracity of his future statements.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago QuailBird's credo, GIVE ME FREE HEALTH CARE OR GIVE ME DEATH PANELS!
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago QuailDirtyBird and the rest of you socialist useful idiots; did you hear you savior's choice for health czar John Holdren claims the US Constitution includes forced abortions? If that's not a prelude to death panels I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Kansas, lol.
sistersun (32 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Fact......I know Pres. Obama is doing the best he can considering the mess we've been in with bush these last eight years.Go Mr.Obama !!!!!!!!!! For some of you people,give the Man a chance.
Eric (132 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days agoQuail and Freethinker, thank you for being the two people on this board who approach this topic with a clear mind.
borylie, I seem to have missed the easy question you asked. Please repost it and I will gladly answer it.
Now, ProAmerican,
"ERIC, YOU LIE! Yes the money has to come from somewhere. Do you know who provides the source of income, such as sales tax, FICA, Soc. Sec. Medicare, etc. The Tooth Fairy?"
What am I lying about? Of course the money has to come from somewhere. What do you mean?
"Your health care is partially paid for by your employer? How do you like the idea of it being taxed by the Bamster? Those lying, corrupt, socialist rulers want to tax you benefits...You people were orgasmic when you thought someone else would be robbed of their income so you couldl have a freebee."
I take great offense at you referring to me as "You people." Every day I put in an honest days' work, am loyal to my employer, and am fortunate I have a job. I'm not asking for anything for free. At least Freethinker understood the point of my previous post.
Socialism is nothing new to this country; that is the idea behind our decades-old progressive tax system. People who make more income have always devoted a higher percentage of their income to tax, because of the idea that they could afford it. As a country we need to decide what values we want to embrace. If we feel that those who have much have no responsibility for helping those who have little, let's go to a flat tax, get rid of Medicaid and subsidized housing, and let the poor fend for themselves on the street.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Sistersun, Obama surrounds himself with America haters like William Ayers and Von Jones. He hates America, individual rights and freedom; why else would he associate with such scum? All his czars are either socialists or communists and their goal is to reduce America down to the level of Cuba or Venezuela. However, I don't blame him for the mess the socialist Republicans got us into by attempting to surpass the Democrat Party's socialist agenda. Both major political parties are huge tax and spend and debt creating dictators, however, Obama is George Bush on steroids. They have led us away from our republic, the US Constitution, capitalism, personal responsibility, incentive and our individual rights by promising to eliminate all our personal difficulties with big government. Obama has given big business and Wall Street Billions in freebees. AIG, GM, Chrysler, the banks and insurance companies; the Democrats are for the little guy, not a chance. Now he even wants to take away our private insurance, tax you if you employer pays for your plan, and replace it with a national health care which works nowhere in the entire world. Don't forget THE EMPLOYEE "FREE" CHOICE ACT which is a huge misnomer. It legitimizes Mafia union thugs to intimidate and beat employees to and from work, in the workplace, during their breaks, in the company parking lot and even in their own homes.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago I am also an employer. Our benefits contribution shakes out to be 18%-23% of an employee's yearly compensation. Additionally my company has frozen employee premiums and absorbed increases at their end over the last two years. We are talking about a considerable amount of money to be certain.
Eric (132 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Okay, let's take a step back at the controversy surrounding John Holdren. I obtained a copy of the book he co-authored over 30 years ago and read the passages referring to forced abortions. He was describing population measures to control growth that may have been used elsewhere or discussed by commentators, including forced abortions. He never advocated or recommended them. There is a difference.
In fact, at his Senate Confirmation Hearing, Holdren REJECTED the idea of government efforts at population control (yes, including forced sterilization and abortions). Holdren may support access to abortions, but that is much different than forced abortions.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Eric, do you believe him? I don't. His wife shares his beliefs. He wrote that book in the 70's but Hitler wrote Mein Kamph probably at least a decade to his rise to power; he didn't change his view or goals? Of course he lied b/c he wants to gain power under false pretenses.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Merkin,
Not that I think it's within your limited mental capacity to answer a simple question in a rational, thoughtful manner, but I'll ask it any way: Why do you believe that Holdren advocates forced abortion? Is there any reason other than that you made it up?
Please try to answer an honest question for once, without your usual political tirades and tactical redirection. I don't believe you are capable of this, so here's your big chance to prove me wrong in a decisive manner. C'mon Merkin . . . take my challenge . . . answer the question.
The Quail
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago A very tall order, Quail. A letter to Santa Claus might well sooner yield the response you are looking for.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago QuailDirtyBird and Jeffie, I answered every question any of you useful idiots asked me. I don't avoid being truthful like you collective loving sheeple do all the time.
Why do I believe John Holdren advocates forced abortion? He said so in the book he wrote in the 70's. It was his version on Mein Kamph. He convicted himself with his own words. He also said forced abortion is constutional b/c it benefits society as a hole. Didn't socialist Hitler say that about the handicapped, mentally disabled, Gypsies, homosexuals and the Jews? John Holdren, Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Pol Pot are all the same, lefto scumbags. However, Lenin did get one thing right. He rightly labeled you fellow travelers in the West, useful idiots. How does it feel to have a communist (govt. and business controlled govt.) call all of you useful idiots?
Nonsocialist (347 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago The book authored by Czar Holdren is entitled,"Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment ." He has a section labeled, "Involuntary Fertility Control".
A quote from the book, "Of course, a government might require only implantation of the contraceptive capsule, leaving its removal to the individual's discretion but requiring reimplantation after childbirth."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinio...
I actually fully agree with efforts to address the overpopulating of the Earth and the catastrophic consequences that will develop. My suggestion would be to stop paying people to have babies (tax deductions, etc.) rather than forced sterilizations as advocated by Czar Holdren.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Nonsocialist, Thank you for your blog. I am aware aboutboth books the NAZI wrote and did read the very quote you informed these leftos (as if they didn't know). His wife is also a far left wacko. I ask these socialist here and now; who will he determine not fit to live for the sake of the state? Whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, browns, mentally retarded, physically disabled, the prenatal, neo-natal, elderly, Christians, Jews, homosexuals, useful idiots, librarians, police, dwarfs, giants, homophobes, capitalists, libertarians, obsolete employees like steelworkers, illusionists. People who have flatlence (climate change), burpers (climate change again) , alcoholics, drug addicts? Anyone but himself.
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago I didn't ask you any questions, pro.
cambridge (915 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Nonsocialist.....David Freddoso is a commentary staff writer giving his "opinion" or his "interpretation" about what the authors of the book meant. If Mr. Freddoso were an actual reporter he would have done an interview with Mr. Holdren.
The parts of the book cited in the "opinion" were discussions of hypotheticals. There is a difference between discussing and advocating.
Mr. Holdren has repeatedly denied ever advocating forced abortions and if Mr. Freddoso had interviewed him his column would have contained facts instead of opinions.
hope4thevalley (387 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago GET BACK ON YOUR MEDS POR YOU ARE ONE SICK PERSON
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Hopelessnessforthevalley, need major surgery, organ or joint transplant? Take a pain pill.
CamBilge, aren't you leftos ashamed of you lies? You are a victim of cognitive dissonance. Czar John Holdren 1 said in his book, it's ok to forcibly abort the unbord for the sake of the rest of society. Can you deny what he wrote? Can he deny what he wrote? Yes, b/c both of you and all socialist useful idiots are pathalogical liars. Yes Czar John Holdren 1 denied ever advocating that option, although he wrote it. READ HIS BOOK!
Nonsocialist (347 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Cambridge,
We're dealing with facts and direct quotes from the book authored by Czar Holdren, such as:
"It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society."
Note the word "require" and not "suggest". Of course he's changing his story now. He's a dishonest elitest who has ascended to the perks and privileges of the ruling class.
You're right, I cited an opinion piece. But, dude, read the text from the Czar's book and tell me with a straight face it's not wacked. Do you actually feel, as JFK refered to his appointees, that Czar Holdren is the "brightest and the best"?
cambridge (915 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Nonsocialist,
LOL! I don't believe for a second that the "brightest and the best" would involve themselves in politics Would you?
The situation with Holden is a prime example of people beating a drum about something that is a non issue because it is not or ever has been the guys point of view. Some people put their spin on it for their own agenda. If it were taken seriously it would be covered by every news agency 24/7 instead of it being covered by ProMerkin 24/7. Just my opinion.
I can go back through your posts and find a sarcastic reference, an example or scenario of a hypothetical and twist it around to say you favor Socialism or Fascism or some other kind of ism. People like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh have made millions doing it.
Nonsocialist (347 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Cambridge,
Another sampling from Czar Holdren's work:
"There exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. It has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."
When reading his very own words, I'm not seeing sarcasm or jesting. I'm seeing proposals on how to address a legitimate and real problem with wild government intrusion into individuals lives and bodies.
Don't you see that this fits with this current administrations ambitions and efforts to transfer power from the unwashed, ignorant subjects to the rulers? Do you see the word "require" mentioned more than once in my prior Holdren quotations? Do you see the parallels with the power acquisitions sought by other socialist regimes?
If you think people are stupid and uncaring, than a nanny state suits you. If you believe that people are essentially good and generous, than liberty is for you. I believe in the later.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Nonsocialist, these leftos really are wacked. They actually believe they will be the ruling class if or after their lyng, murderous, communist bossed take over.
Do they know what happened to every wealthy Russian citizen who financed the bolshevic revolution? The very tyrants who they made possible to topple the czar, executed every one of their benefactors. Serves them right.
Hemmingway was a socialist, living in Cuba and a friend and supporter of Castro and his communist revolution. Hemmingway was also a friend of Che; and the racist murderer even invited Hemmingway to witness numerous executions (murders). What did Fidel do to Ernest, confiscated his expensive mansion for the people; Hemmingway was shocked when he lost his posessions b/c he believed Castro's enemy and his was those evil, rich businessmen, not artists like himself. Serves him right too. USEFUL IDIOTS! = distribution of wealth and income. Useful idiots aren't exempt from the same fate as we common folk, lol. What explaination do you have for that CamBilge? Think you're special or superior? Hemmingway did, Castro didn't.
cambridge (915 comments)posted 1 month, 29 days ago Nonsocialist....Your response is a perfect example of what I was talking about. I said "...a sarcastic reference, an example or scenario of a hypothetical....". You conveniently choose to ignore the "an example or scenario of a hypothetical" possibility and chose to spin the "sarcastic" part to suite your agenda.
You have your opinion and I have mine and that's all I have to say on the subject, but thanks for proving my point.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 1 month, 28 days ago Jeff,
Do you happen to have Santa Clause's full address?
Anyway, back to the question . . .
Obama's willingness to adjust to new information or changing situations is a refreshing change from the previous administration. I give him high marks for this. Dubya seemed incapable of any flexibility whatsoever . . . to the detriment of the country that we love so dearly.
Pro: Another suggestion: If you insist on trying to use big words with which you are unfamiliar, please look them up first. You are harming whatever semblance of credibility you may have left. Now that you are on the public dole, you should have plenty of time to look them up.
Or, maybe you could try making up words in the same way that you make up "facts." At least you'd give us what we expect.
OK, back to work I go. Enjoy your day at the trough, Pro.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 28 days ago Quail, address the truth in lieu of ignoring it; that demonstrates how socialists fear the obvious. Don't hide behind the W. Bush cop out b/c I didn't support his socialistic, govt. wasteful spending, just as I don't support your Savior, the Bamster's socialistic enslavement stragedy. By the way, did you know the Bamster wants to increase welfare's wasteful spending to a higher level than Bush spent on the war in Iraq? The Bambster is Geroge W. Bush 4X. Do you approve? Yes you do b/c he's your anti-capitalist, anti-individual superman. I don't. What do you greedy, fearful, selfish, irresponsible socialists hope to gain? Do you expect the "rich" and productive American citizens, people like myself to pay your way and b/c having the govt. think for you b/c it' a no brainer?
As far as my being on the dole. Not true again.
MY WORK HISTORY
44 YEARS WORKING IN FACTORIES, INSURANCE COMPANIES, RESTAURANTS, SUBSTITUTE TEACHER, BRAND AMBASSATOR, ACTOR AND STILL WORKING, PAYING MY OWN PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE, STILL HAPPY TO BE EMPLOYED.
Defying the truth about your Czar John Holdren 1 only demonstrates your inflexability and fear to admit you're incorrect. THE TRUTH, FACE IT! Your Czar, John 1 wrote his books in the 70's and he hasn't changed his views on forced abortion since. His infamous book is parallel to the other socialist dictator's book, Mein Kamph!
Elevate the Bamster as you infalliable Savoir?
YES YOU CAN! AND YES YOU DID? Imagine what he thinks of you?
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 1 month, 28 days ago Hey Pro,
Wow, it seems as though you were unable to hold down a steady job. Quite sad. What was it? Bad attitude?
Here's one for you to comment on (this should be fun):
When Social Security and Medicare were first proposed, the conservatives in this country spoke out loudly against it. They said that guaranteeing an income and health care was socialism at its worst.
Now, here you are, decades later, participating in these very programs. (I know, you were "forced" into them, but I'm not aware of you sending any checks back).
On top of that, you have the audacity to criticize similar programs because they are "socialist."
Pro, you use arrogant bravado and mindless chatter to divert attention, but your hypocrisy remains evident.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 28 days ago Quail, lol, you socialists certainly are resourcful liars. Ever hear of upward mobility? It's what you cowardly socialists fear b/c you doubt your own God given talents and your're jealous someone will exceed your success. My first job paid $1.00/hr. when I started college. I wanted to do better and I did. My prosperity was sidetracked when I entered the US Army and when I returned home, VietNam Vets endured lots of discrimination in hiring for better jobs. I didn't whine, I rolled up my sleeves and climbed the latter capitalism provides for those like myself who have guts, determination and responsibility; as a result, I've had my failures and successes.Got my BS. and did a little more for my MBA. Maybe I'll complete in but I've been quite busy and I'm enjoying being self-employed, although It tough, but I'm tougher. I sacrificed, saved my after tax earnings, invested (it had it's up and downs) and I'm still living the American dream is spite of the socialists like the Dems, lots of GOPers, the Bamster, Pelosi, Bwarney Fwank, Dodd, Howard Dean, and you.
Quail, PLEASE keep up the pressure; I love it. The elected "representatives" I e-mail, fax and call, (along with millions of other American citizens doing the same) will testify to that.
I have the courageous, intellingent, patriotic Founding Fathers as a great example; they defeated the super power of their, created the Constitution and our republic. The entire world owes a great debt them for founding the greatest nation of all time, America. who saved the world twice from dictators like socialists Hitler and Mussolini. What other nation has done so much to correct her own injustices? Who outlawed the international slave trade, what nation is always first to offer humanitian and aid and hope on the largest scale to every nation in every corner of the earth? What nation will the poor and oppressed risk being murdered, drown, strave to death or die of thirst in the desert just to cross our borders?
I'll say it again, I have the Founding Fathers as a prime example of what can be accomplished if we have the freedom to excel.
Who do you admire, Karl Marx and Josef Stalin?
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 28 days ago Quail, your thinking is so twisted on so many topics I didn't include rebuking you when you scold me for not returning my Social Security checks. You admitted we conservatives complained Soc. Sec. and Medicare were socialistic and we were forced into paying into it. So if we paid into it, why should we be obligated to pay it back if we were forced to pay into it? You socialists would love it if we did did pay all our money back. Redistrubution of income? Oh, by the way, isn't Soc. Sec. and Medicare bankrupt, just like Freddie Mac and Fannie Mac. That's socialism, steal the taxpayers hard earned money against their will, the squander it.
Want to solve the health insurance crisis? Allow all 1300 insurance companies to compete against eachother state to state. Allow everybody to form thier own group plans. Mandate tort reform so doctors and hospitals won't have to pay such rediculously high insurance premiums and order unnecceary expensive tests. Social Security and Medicare are hindering our prosperity b/c they are govt. monopolies, no competition and have unlimited funds supplied by the taxpayers. That's why they are so expensive, offer a low yield compared to private plans, and bankrupt.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 1 month, 28 days ago What part of my thinking is twisted? In reality, you don't know, or chosse to ignore what I think.
You tend to mix up what you THINK "liberals" believe with what they actually believe. You often take comments made by a single individual and apply it to the entire Democratic party. That's like me saying that "Conservatives endorse picking up guys in airport restrooms" . . . just because one conservative was caught doing so.
For example, I've told you many times that I believe that socialism is a dead philosophy . . . and I do. Yet, you persist is saying that I embrace socialism, just because yo uahve been told to believe that I do.
I have said that I am a fiscal conservative. You ignore that. Actually, I support much of what those "tea parties" espouse. Unfortunately, too many fanatics, such as yourself, have highjacked these valid political beliefs for use in their anti-Obama campaigns.
You tend to mix up what you THINK "liberals" believe with what they actually believe. You often take comments made by a single individual and apply it to the entire Democratic party. That's like me saying that "Conservatives endorse picking up guys in airport restrooms" . . . just because one conservative was caught doing so. That would be as ridiculous.
Every country in history embraced some tenets of socialism, but adopting it as a driving philosphy has never worked. A blend of political systems, such as we have in this country has usually worked best. That is what I support and what I believe, regardless of your twisted, groundless assertions.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 28 days ago Quail, with all due respect, the twist in you thinking is your defying numerous facts such as the ones concerin John Holdren's written beliefs.
You call me a fanatic; just observe the lefto extremists in Pittsburg during the G20 summit. I predict they will riot, burn, vandalize, attack police and civilians.
Pelosi has the gall to call us Tea Party Patriots extremists, un-American, radicals, disruptive, a mob, etc.
The extremists are the Taliban and Al Quaeda who brutalize and rape women, force them to wear clothing covering them from head to toe, beat them if they're stockings are too, thin, refuse them to work, to be in public without the comany of a man, honor killings, rape, child marriages.
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 1 month, 28 days ago Re: fanaticism
pro, relatively speaking I comment a lot on this site. I've logged 720 comments. You have just over 720. What has taken me over two years has taken you under 7 months. Maybe I’m just a lazy fanatic…
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 23 days ago Jeff, thank you for exercising you right to free speech. Although we seldom agree; I support the right of everyone to express themselves in this blog or anywhere else.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 1 month, 23 days ago http://wadesayswhat.wordpress.com/2009/0...
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The most far left "president" who was ever "born" in this country. Nothing more than a govt. substidized community organizer. A candidate manufactured by super rich (socialist) industrialists for their personal servant. Continuing Bush's bail outs of big business but on steroids.
I am a life long Republican. I find no flaw in Mr. Obama's performance. These Tea Party people seem to forget who got us into this mess. Geo. W. Bush took a surplus and turned it into a multi trillion dollar defecit in 8 years because he wanted to get even with the guy (Saddam Hussein) who plotted against his Daddy. I'm a Republican, not a fool. This guy (Obama) has ten times the leadership skills of a Geo. W. Bush.
Because of Republicans like you, we lost both houses and the WH. bush was one of them who's at fault too, a big spending liberal. Of course, the Bamster is Bush 4X on wasteful spending and defecits.
I thought you weren't GOP or Dem, Merkin. All the sudden "we" lost both houses and the WH?
I don't know what to think anymore. Let me further compliment you on nice grammar all around.
Jeffie, I'm no Goper. The conservatives lost b/c we don't like either party. The Bamster = the Gop 4X. Conservatives want to bring Americans up to their potential not reduce them down to the lowest common denominator like the Bamster and his 30+ czars in 8 months. ACORN reduces under age minority girls into prostitutes. That's "liberalism". He's the greatest community DIS-organizer we know. In you case Jeffie, a mind is a terrible thing to develop.
THE BAMSTER POLL
GOOD 35%
POOR 51%
Read it and weep Jeffie.
UnHinged.....You belonged to unions and reaped their benefits and a living wage and now bad mouth them every chance you get.
You cry socialism whenever the government tries to help its citizens by investing tens of millions and saving jobs in the valley while you collect your social security check.
You vote for Bush twice and defended everything he did while he was in office and voted for McCain who supported Bush 95% of the time and now it's "I never liked the guy he was a bad president".
Are you loyal to anything? You would be last guy I'd want to go to war with. A true coward.
CamBilge, unions also fought to raise my taxes, stuck me with paying social security vs. my own profitable retirement plan, my employers too and it's nothing gut a huge Ponzi Scheme making Madoff look like a local union backed socialist counsel man. 10s of Billions of Dollars to help the economy, lol, yeah paper money we didn't earn yet. Who's going to pay all that debt, our children and grandchildren and what's is doing to the value of the Dollar? Yes I'll collect my social security check at a huge loss vs. my own private retirement plan. What do employers do with the soc. sec. they have to pay for their employees? Add it to any good or service you purchase you idiot.
I'm the last guy you'd want to go to war with b/c I'm a coward? I've got new for you, we're not on the same side, you are a dye in the wool America hating socialist. I hope we face each other in combat. I'LL PROVE TO YOU I'M NO COWARD!.
I'm laughing really hard right about now.
Well Diane86 I don't buy for a second that you were a lifelong Republican . Who are you trying to fool ? You sound like a liberal story teller .
I bet you are laughing. YOU'RE A COMPUTER COWARD! You'll probably be hiding behind you commie Mafia, corrupt, dues stealing, high live union president and the cowardly unions which won't fight unless they outnumber anyone at least 6 to 1.
My best friend is a really big guy; first he resented having to join a union, secondly, he resented the union asking him to run for union steward b/c he know those cowards wanted a big man to be their thug.
Do your own dirty work, union scumbags, without your half wit union thugs, you'd pick up your socialist skirts and run.
LATEST POLL RESULTS
GOOD 36%
BAD 48%
CamBilge, is this poll rigged just like the videos and pictures of the DC 912 Tea Party were rigged, lol?
Well the right wing Nuts seem to be out at night with out their Med 's I thought Bush killed of all these freaks GUESS NOT MMMMM POR
Cambridge,what are you doing? Standing in front of a mirror? (Post#9) Before this post gets away from the very important question of how Obama is doing,let's one at a time list Obama's failed campaign promises,then will get into his failed domesticate policies,failed cabinet choices and failed czars. Then get into foreign affairs,ie.goofy gifts,no closer than Bush in catching Bin Laden,no exit strategy in Afghanistan and the potential catastrophe in getting rid of the missile defense in Eastern Europe. Let's use facts,as there is plenty.#1) All bills before they're signed into law will be available to the public to read for at least 5 days. This poll for you'll no paying attention is about Obama,not Bush or Cheney.
I am not sure how anyone can logically or seriously answwer "Good" to this poll. I think "Fair" is likely the most realistic as it has only been 8 months.
I would like someone to convince me how doubling the deficit in his first 3 months in office will not single-handedly strangle any real growth potential out of this economy over the next couple decades? Notice I said "real" growth potential.
I am happy to see that society never ceases to show me how stupid they are and how much they do not know or understand about anything they comment on. The only thing the internet has really achieved is depicting how moronic adults in this society are. I am truly scared for the future. Before I was exposed to the mass stupidity my own ignornace on the matter was bliss.
Left wing nuts are still trying to say the Bamster is doing a great job but conservatives know better. Tearing down our nuclear defenses in Eastern Europe on the anniversary of the 70th anniversary of the USSR invasion of Poland, promoting our communist enemies in Hondorus and pulling the passport from their legally elected anti-communist president, appointing self admitted communists czars like Von Jones. Nationalizing GM and Chyrsler. 30+ czars promoting forced abortions, and claiming the old and very young American citizens are worth less than younger people and we must do what is best for the rest of society.
Hope4thevalley, I'm sure you think the Bamster is doing a great job, he's a fellow communist. USEFUL IDIOT. Even you communist heros look down on you.
I don't know how people who are supposed to be intelligent can look at Obuma's creditials voted for him. He hasn't run anything except the scam he's got going now.
Good is a stretch, plain and simple. Given the current climate I don't know how anyone could really think that things are "good." That said, the 72 votes at present hardly yield a representative sampling of the population.
I am admittedly uneducated on the whole ACORN thing, I'm aware of the organization and that some new things have come to light in regard to it and from the sounds of it these things are indefensible, but to paint an entire organization and/or section of the population with that brush doesn't make sense to me.
On the other hand I also realize that not all conservatives harbor the type of resentment toward the current administration that we sometimes see on these pages.
Jeff, you are in the majority. I also know little about ACORN, othert than what I hear on Fox News. And we know how reliable that can be . . .
In reality, ACORN is a relatively inconsequential group that simply has the unfortunate luck to have become the poster child for the extreme right.
In a way, I'm glad its here though. As long as these nuts can get their feathers all ruffled about stupid things such as ACORN, they are less likely to lead us into more useless wars for oil.
I thnk Obama has done a pretty good job so far, although he has not been nearly as successful as I would have liked. He has pursued the majority of his campaign promises, which I like. However, the issues with which he is dealing are huge and will require that huge amount of soul-searching and debate that we are seeing.
I respect him for being willing to compromise, but also not backing down from his core values.
I too, need to keep in mind that not all conservatives are nut cases like ProMerkin. I just wish some of them would post. I would love to hear what rational conservative voices would have to say about these questions.
OK, to work I go. Gotta earn enough so that Merkin gets his government check next month.
The Quail
There's a whole lot more on ACORN than you (Jeff and Quail) don't know about. You really should listen to Glen Beck and FOX and then form your own opinions. There's a lot of things the media is and has not reported that isn't news until someone reports it. I know and I agree that I'm a rightwinger,but at least I'm informed. There's some really scary stuff going on and has been for at least 50 years that's starting to come to fruition. Call me a fear mongerer or whatever,I don't care,but you'll aren't going to like where we are heading. Watch FOX.
ACORN is inconsequental? $8M from the taxpayers. Promoting child sex abuse. Taking over bank directors' offices to intimidate them into granting home loans to losers who don't even have a job. No wonder we had a banking and housing crisis.
Quailbird, go to work so you can give ACORN it's govt. check, and all the welfare losers ACORN supports. For your information, I've worked all my life, sacrificed, invested my taxed earnings and by the grace of GOD, I'm pretty comfortable is spite of unfair high confiscatory taxes and I'm not a slave to any employer. Of course all of us are slaves to the govt.,the only difference is we conservatives want to be free and you left wing moonbats love being slaves.
You, Jeffie, CamBilge, Duped4thevalley; all of you left wing moon bats are and will always be USEFUL IDIOTS! Tax evader Charlie Rangel, one of your tax evading lefto leaders is laughing at you. Rich old Nancy Pelosi, who all of you schlmozos also love is a very rich capitalist. Are you? If not why do you support such hipocrites?
THE BAMSTER POLL
GOOD 35%
BAD 47%
That's what I thought, Pro.
borylie, I'm not interested in talking heads like this Beck person (who I'm told was a disc jockey and appears on the verge of crazed tears on his TV show, I've honestly never laid eyes on him) nor the media outlets that they represent. I tend to roll with NPR.
Combining the fact that this ACORN stuff doesn't seem to be getting a lot of traction among the public and that I don't watch cable news channels to have knowledge about it, I would submit that it is a "media story" that exists only to serve the ratings beast. To form opinions based on "media stories" designed to increase ratings would seem to be an irresponsible thing for me (or anyone for that matter) to do.
Pro, that's 8 Billion in addition to the 53 Million that they already have recieved. Jeff your a lost cause. You're not worthy of debate. But,why did Van Jones resign and ACORN lose all their funding if Fox just did it for ratings? Obama and Nancy did it to help Fox? People like you don't deserve this once great country that is being turned into what other countries are. Glen Beck almost singlehanded has made many people of both parties and those in between(basically Americans) informed on what's going on. It's not about politics. You're a poor excuse for an American.
You roll with NPR. Of course you do; NPR is specially tailored for useful idiots. You don't like Glen Beck b/c the truth alarms you. If ACORN, the rotten nut is so innocent, why did the senate just cut off it's funding? Even many liberal Dems voted to stop the funding. ACORN is not only a rotten nut but also a cracked nut, thanks to the two brave kids who exposed them and FOX News for broadcasting the truth.
Jeff, your are allowing the left to take advantage of you. dont't let it do it b/c the left is a huge gang of rich old duplistic capitalists who don't want the rest of us to enjoy freedom and prosperity.
The left has shut off the irrigation system to 30,000 people in California, food growers (now they are unemployed) b/c it wants to protect a 2 inch fish. The Dems, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Dodd, Turban don't care. 30,000 people who were fully employed and thriving are now on the public dole, their once furtile land is now a desert and we may have to import food the same way we have to import stee, cars and electronics. As far as I know, only Fox reported the crisis. I watch CNN, CBS, NBC as well and I don't recall any report, it's called selective journalism, no wonder their ratings are down the tube.
Borylie,
I DO watch Fox news, and (Glenn Beck) many days. I find it very interesting how they are as good at spinning the stories to the right as MSNBC is at spinning them to the left.
One good thing about Fox is that they seem to have an obsession with attractive blonde announcers.
I also watch Obermann and listen to Limbaugh on occasion. If I'm feeling especially adventurous, I give Micheal Savage a try, but he's so out there that I usually end up cussing profusely.
I tend to avoid traditional network news as it seems a little too sensationalistic at times.
I also listen to NPR frequently. They are by far the most unbiased of any of them. They always present as many sides of an issue as there are. The fact that Merkin criticises NPR tells me without a doubt that he has never listened to it for any length of time.
For instance, they do a lot of stories about global warming. But, two weeks ago they did a week-long piece on what is BAD about the "green" movement. Over the past month or two, I've also heard excellent interviews with both Micheal Savage and Glenn Beck. I often love hearing all sides of an issue and you truly can get it there.
It's a shame you guys choose to insult and criticise things you really know nothing about.
Bottom line, I try to get perspectives from a variety of sources. I always try to make sure of my facts BEFORE I form an opinion. I'd especially be interested in finding a conservative on this site who is able to actually discuss conservative ideology without all the spin, insults, and other crap we get from people such as Merkin. People like him truly are an embarrassment and I find it sad that true conservatives don't speak out against his senseless diatribes.
Oh well, lunchtime is over. I almost have Merkin's check covered. Now it's on to his Gov't pais health care.
Hey Jeff, Where do you listen to NPR? I listen on WKSU. I have an hour drive each way to work in Cleveland and that's the station that I can hear the entie way.
Have a great weekend all,
The Quail
Quailbirdbrain, who broke the ACORN pimp, prostitution, illegal alien, child prostitution you don't have to pay taxes if you're a prostitute? Was is the fringe lefto media or FOX News? The lefto info babes wish they could look like the Fox News babes.
We get a lot for our 8M we are forced to pay in taxes for ACORN. What about the farmers in California who had their irrigation system turned off by the federal govt. to "save" a 2 inch fish? Who broke that story? 30K of them now unemployed and their once furtile land is now a desert. where will be importing food b/c of it? China, Mexico, Venezuela? The Marxist Demorat Party wants to and is in the process of destroying America. Peosi owns vineyards and she's rich. but she ignores the hard working farmers in her state, why doesn't she and the other members of the "working peoples' party" turn the water back on so they can earn an honest living? Is it b/c they want to reduce America and Americans down to the level of the rest of the world?
The Dems came for the working farmers in Calif. and their weapon was a 2 inch fish. When will they come after you?
Oh JEFFY....Acorn is not getting any traction?Try SENATE & HOUSE are calling for DE-FUNDING and an investigation, and the organization that has 13 STATES ASKING FOR INVESTIGATION of acorn, and more to come! California just added yesterday to that number. You have no idea whats going on,several months ago acorn would not let two of it's OWN high ranking officials look at it's books, and because they questioned ACORN, they were not allowed into their own office(By the way BOTH WOMEN WERE BLACK).The PUBLIC you must be talking about is either your friends or ABC-CBS-NBC, oh I forgot you lead a sheltered life and do not watch TV.
Rudy, You said it all. We wouldn't know about the two high ranking black women ACORN representatives if we relied on CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBS and NPR. ACORN is anti-black women if they want to be legal, ethical and honest if it weren't for FOX NEWS.
ACORN is a racist, pro pimp, prostitution, tax evadng, child molesting aiding, illegal immigration assisting, taxpayer supported Marxist organization. But not for long.
These are possibly the five most important sentences you'll ever read. Our educators should make a lesson plan on these statements and instill these words in the minds of all students.
"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity."
"What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving."
"The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else."
"When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.."
"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
MrsRupp, Thank you. To Quail,that I don't know anything about? You are a joke. A bad joke. To Pro,it's not the capitalists you need to worry about. The country is full of communists,we just don't call them that anymore. Seriously,50 years ago they started to make their move and know with congress and the White House full of far left thinkers,it's the perfect storm.
Quail, I live out of state but I catch NPR on satellite radio. Their website is also pretty good.
So...just to make sure I'm clear, I'm a poor excuse for an American because I don't watch ENTERTAINERS pass on entertainment as news on cable and network TV. I also don't consult electricians for medical advice...I guess I must just not get it.
Also, never said I don't watch TV, just don't watch cable and network news...slow down and read what is in front of you. My quote was "I am admittedly uneducated on the whole ACORN thing," what about that statement is difficult to understand? From what I now see the Senate voted earlier this week and the House just voted today, neither of which I knew about last nigh, that's great...whatever. I have no skin in arguing for or against this organization, although I would say that they appear quite shady but the most recent scandal involving 2 of their 400,000+ members seems like "gotcha journalism" defined.
Acorn will revitalize Youngstown with their own string of cat houses . The only regret that Acorn has was getting recorded . The criminal intent was good but the exposure of it was bad.
Borylie, I agee, it's not the capitalist we need to worry about, I'M A CAPITALIST! However, there are socialists living a capitalistis life stlye (Kennedys, Pelosi, Reid, Dean,Hollyweird actors and moguls, union leaders). You're right, the country is full of communists anymore, we just lack the guts to call them communitst. The Kennedys, Pelosi, Reid, Dean Hollyweird actors and moguls, union leaders to name a few. THEY'RE COMMUNISTS! THEY HATE AMERICA! THEY WANT TO REDUCE AMERICA DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF THE REST OF THE WORLD! STOP THEM!
AND BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Don't fear them, confront them.
JEFF....NPR no wonder you don't know whats going on,their website is pretty good and from it.." YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT"S GOING ON".You are uneducated because you don't listen to more than NPR, or do you? Appear to be shady...2 of 4000,000 WRONG NUMBERS,and it was the same line in all 5 cases, no difference. The people in all 5 cases talked the same trash as how to scam,lie,avoid paying taxes, promote child prostitution.. funny how the line was the same but different people.All Of ACORN costs taxpayers money,in deceit,tax fraud,voter fraud,I hope they are driven out and a REAL ORGANIZATION would evolve to help the poor people as was intended.LIKE I SAID "You Don't Watch TV-You Don't Listen To The News"..you just are so smart that you make statements about things like acorn without knowing the facts and then act so smug as to one who knows it.
Jeffie over-estimated ACORN'S numbers and underestimated the DC 912 numbers. ACORN is a corrupt organization and the "pimp and prostitute" revealed the truth in numerous ACORN offices. If the video was doctored up like ACORN claims, why did they fire their employees seen and heard on the tape? That's an admission of guilt. So, how large was the DC 912 rally? You be the judge. By the way, 56% now opposed to the Bamster's health plan. RASMUSSEN POLL. The communist Democrat shas been exposed from the Bamster, his czars, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Bwarney Fwank, Howard "Screamer" Dean, labor unions, Hollyweird and the media; the really great thing about it is they did it to themselves.
rudy, I said from the beginning that I was uneducated on ACORN and that because of that I couldn't defend or promote it. Your nonsensical rambling doesn't serve to better my understanding...I literally have no idea what you are talking about. Literally. I also don't care about a witch hunt being waged on a political action group rooted on either side of the aisle. Step to me all you want, you'll still appear to be a degenerate mouthbreather and I'll still value my intellect and education as a result. Me and other people who are rational human beings, we own you, today and everyday. We sit at the grown-up table and are the decision-makers. But don’t despair – the world needs ditchdiggers, too.
pro, you must (again) have me confused with someone else who regularly demonstrates how their grasp of basic common sense far outweighs your own. I never commented on how many wackos, er, people decended on DC. Not once. I didn't because I really don't care. Really. Honestly. And guess what? Most other people don’t care either. They don’t care because people at your rally are so “patriotic” that they make a mockery of our country by defacing photos of the president to portray him as Hitler and make signs that say things like "Obama's Plan: White Slavery." Reasonable people are turned off by such behavior. How do you think garbage like that plays overseas? What little respect we still command in the international community further erodes DAILY because of “patriots” like these.
Yes, as an intelligent person I am starting to take it personally; ignorance passes as wisdom, grandstanding rhetoric replaces intelligent and thoughtful appreciation of different points-of-view. I’ve said it on these pages before, pro, I respect your POV but often beg to differ, especially when you throw your credibility out the window by calling people nicknames and using racist terms to describe others.
Get it together folks.
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Jeff, if Bush was portrayed as Hitler you'd love it. You lie when you say you don' care how many people were in DC on 912.
I'll tell you who hurt America overseas. Hillary and Obama cutting off support to our east European allies on the 70th anniversary of the USSR invasion of Poland.
You are uneducated about ACORN b/c you watch CNN, NBC, MSNBS, and PUBLIC TV. the super rich, white male, owners of all those in the media want to keep you uninformed.
Very few people displayed a picture of Obama like the one you described. I know Obama is no different than Hitler or Stalin. Can you prove otherwise?
"I know Obama is no different than Hitler or Stalin. Can you prove otherwise?"
That's easily the most ignorant thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
Epic, I can prove it. Just investigate all the 30+ czars he appointed. Very strange bunch, from hard line socialists, forced abortion advocates, lawyers for animals, international judicial opinions vs. the US constitution, birth control meds in our drinking water, value of human life based on age in relation to healthy young adults's value to the rest of society. Czar with staff who weren't vetted by the Legislature and answer only to Obama, can they overide Congress and the Senate who were elected and not appointed? Who pays their salaries and the salaries of their staffs?
No, you can't and you really just make yourself look like a fool. No one will take anything you say seriously after reading that quote.
There is no way I would enjoy or support Bush being portrayed as Hitler, whether it happened during his administration or now. No way.
Jeff, you and I agree. I wouldn't portray Obama as Hitler either.
you just did, idiot.
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Mrs. Rupp's comments above (#29) are a must read. I hope she continues to offer her insights on this website.
Mrs. Rupp in 2012!
Mrs. Rupp, Thank you for your post.
Obama is a bitter leftist who is owned and operated by wealthy Communist billionaires like George Soros, who hate, and want to completely destory our Free America.
BTW, George Soros' bitterness towards America is rooted in something quite different than Obama's. George Soros changed his Jewish name/heritage from Swartz(sp?) to Soros, and is now either agnostic or atheist,..maybe both, but in either case George Soros is an extremely evil man.
Epic, is that a compliment, lol?
Jessiedavid, You're right, Soros is secular and a real danger to Christians and especially Jews. Check out his record when he lived in Hungary.