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Do you think the Mahoning Valley will land the new V&M Star Steel facility?
| Choice | Percent | Visual | Votes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Yes | 47% | 226 | |
| No | 52% | 246 | |
| 472 total votes | |||
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Pessimistic, yes I am until I see this area's track record improve. Hope I am wrong but only time will tell!
Hell no, Why would they?
What reputable corporation would want to re-locate in the Mahoning Valley? Anti-business, pro-socialist, pro Mafia, pro union dumb ethnic people.
ProMerkin,
Apparently V&M Star Steel does. Why else would they go throught this exercise if they had no intention of occupying the facility?
We've had many disappointments in the past, but this one's for real.
If they do, I am going to have so much fun at your expense . . . but, of course I do that already every time I read your posts.
Your last line is amazing since you were in a union, are ethnic, and participate in socialist programs. You so love to criticize the trough at which you feed.
The Quail
V&M didn't go through any exercise. This was exercises done by the petty politics of Y'town and Girard. Why would they locate here when they can locate somewhere where there are no unions to hassle with. Birmingham, Alabama is the Pittsburgh of the south. No unions, better weather, close to the Florida and Gulf beaches, a steel trained workforce, no major union/mafia stupidity factor, much less political corruption, etc.
Quailie, Remember when a non local corporation would foolishy re-locate in the Valley in the past? They would barely break ground and the union geniuses would wildcat strike. Remember when the RMI local in Niles struck? They did $50,000+ damage to the facility, injured a Cub Scout, by stoning as he was being driven in a van and thoudands of Dollars damage to the businesses owned by supervision. They also beat up non union RMI employees, some very seriously. That's what businesses worldwide expect and fear about coming to the Mahoning Valley.
I don't participate in the feeding of the dumb ethnic, union loving, anti business, Democrat Party worshiping socialists. I provide the feeding for them.
Lots of interest has been shown so my guess is that they are ready to build . Due to Obama's energy plan there should be a huge demand for bicycles and V&M Star will be busy building the tubes for the frames . Youngstown will be known as the bicycle capital of the world when we export to all corners of it .
All "Moaning Valley Cry Baby Losers" comment here please..
Good one Cambridge
I asked once before whether or not V&M was currently a union shop but never got a answer. Without starting a big pi%$ing contest you have to understand that this will probably play a part in their decision. If they are now a union shop it would probably not be a big deal to them but if they are not it may enter in their decision.
The valley really needs one big success to turn the corner. I may be wrong but I think a lot of prospects believe that Ytown is still old school in it's thinking and is not ready to move into the 21st. century. What I mean by that, is the Ytown workforce ready to adapt to the 21st. century ways of doing business? 401K programs instead of the old style pension systems for example. Can not think of anyone that should want the old pension system but there probably still are some that think that way even with the current pension issues. Just my opinion!
Cambridge and Quail , I have found that you can not help PRO as he has some good thoughts at times, but there must be something wrong with part of his brain.
REMEMBER
Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference
Hope,
You make good points about Merkin. However, I'm not really arguing.
To me, it's sort of a game. It's really fun when I manage to get him to start reciting a whole bunch of ridiculous stats that only people like him care about.
His last post said something about a cub scout ans 50K. I dunno, his stats all run together after awhile.
Sometimes, when I want a challenge, I try to get him to bring up Sen. McCarthy. That one's a tough because Senator Joe is pretty far down on his list of required rants.
Oh well, it gives the old man something to do. If he couldn't spend a large part of his day posting here, he would be left with only Jerry Springer and Oprah.
Kind of sad when you think about it . . . maybe I should be nicer to him. Yeah . . . that's what I'll do . . . at least for a while.
The Quail
ProAmerican,
Thanks for alerting us to the vicious union guys beating up on cub scouts!
My god . . . I had no idea that those union guys were such bad people. I'm going to drive right over to my dad's house and bop him on the head with a frying pan for being such a bad union person!
I know lots of Democrats, but I've never seen a one of 'em "worshiping socialists," but I'll certainly be on the lookout from now on. (Hey Pro, what should I do if I see one? Should I report them or something?)
ProMerkin, you certainly are a beacon of light to this valley. Thanks so much for continually alerting us to the evils that surround us. Keep up the good work!
Sincerely,
Your compatriot in this divine effort,
The Quail
Guess nobody knows if V&M is currently union!
I don't believe V&M is currently union. To my knowledge, the only part of V&M that is union is Tube City, one of the contractor companies.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's just how I understood it.
aeparish, you are correct, V&M is non union, but Tube City is union.
Thanks aeparish and Jessiedavid for the answer! I do think this may play a part in their decision. Time will tell.
Yes, the RMI strikers did throw rocks at a mother driving her van while she was tranporting Cub Scouts and at least on of the kids required hospital care. It's a fact. They beat up non union RMI employees and did thousands of Dollars damage to RMI facilities and to supervisors' businesses as well. FACTS, FACTS, FACTS!
Another fact, Obama has 30+ McCarthy like people. I just provided you doubters with the facts; it I'm a idiot in your opinion, I feel honored.
Unions are obsolete and the union free workers continually demonstrate that fact in Southern Ohio and in the Southeastern USA.
There is a place for good unions. the unions are the reason non-union workers get paid so well without having the stones to stand up for themselves. Unions have a place in the workforce and are only as good or strong as the people who make tehm up. Its funny that whenever some type of business gets ready or is looking to move into the area all the morons come out of the woodwork to pee on somebodies leg and tell them its raining.
paulydel is incorrect. In fact, unions are causing just the opposite of what he claims. The suppliers of union based employers actually are being paid less so that the union shop can make more. That's why Delphi and most of the parts suppliers were spun off. So that they could cut costs at the suppliers and benefit the automakers.
My salary isn't at all related to any union wage. My wages as an accountant are completely determined by the market for accountants. Because there are few of us and we are very much in demand, the wages and benefits are determined strictly by the supply and demand of accountants.
There might be a place for good unions. The problem is there aren't any.
There IS a good place for unions. In a huge trash heap, just like the America hating, communist, white trash, degenerate Kennedys! That's where they're headed thanks to the majority of employees who have rejected the Mafia/socialist thug union leaders in favor of their right to work. They have helped generate jobs and prosperity for themselves by not pricing themselves out of the market like organized labor. The only way unions can make a comeback is by the EMPLOYEE "FREE" CHOICE BILL. Then they can intimidate, threaten, beat, cripple and murder employees who have the guts to resist their Mafia/socialist thug activities.
It's going to be a real treat to watch GM, which is partly owned by the UAW negotiate against themselves against the majority of the government owned stockholders.
Ya know ProMerkin, even if you had good points to make, most people would be put off by your incessant name-calling and juvenile rants.
I am somewhat of a fiscal conservative, so who knows, we just might share some opinions in this area. It's a shame that you choose this route instead. Rather than working together to help others understand and accept fiscal conservatism, you are nothing but an embarrassment to true conservatives.
You are not going to convince anyone that you are right with this kind of crap. To save what little credibility you may have left, you really should give it a rest.
The Quail
Quallie, can you explain why less than 8% of the private workforce is union and the remaining 92% of the private workforce is union free?
Juvenile rants = socialist union chants, i.e. "WE ARE THE UNION! THE MIGHTY, MIGHTY UNION"!
And juvenile delinquint behavior = throwing rocks at at Cub Scouts riding in a van.
Yes, I am opinionated but I'm not such a loser I have to destroy private property and injure kids because I believe the "company f...... us"!
That's what embarrassing!
i disagree with the comment that unions cause non union employers to pay less. a company me father started woreking for in the late 1940's paid quite well, had good benifits. after several years, the company was unionized. the contract called for less benifits than they had before the union.
all this talk about gm and chrysler union causing the bankrupcy. anyone ever heard of ford motor company? same union, differnts management
If they are a non-union company, they are not comming. Why waste your time toying with each other.
On the national scale, Alabama has the 7th highest poverty rate at 16.1% of its population. It only has one county in which the poverty rate is in single-digits, and that is Shelby County with a poverty rate of seven percent.
Birmingham is doing great too: the poverty rate is (24.7%)
Gee ytownboy, as of 2008 Ytown was at 24.8. I will be kind and call it a wash!
http://poverty.suite101.com/article.cfm/...
All's fair in free speech, but I'm admittedly irked by ProAmerican's blunt comments "ethnics". Everyone is descended from one ethnic group or another, so I'm not sure what that's really supposed to mean?
At any rate, I don't think V&M Star's decision whether or not to expand at this point has anything to do with unions. It has to do with the global economy and the recession.
If I recall correctly, when V&M originally intended to expand, the global economy was still stable and there was a high demand for oil exploration piping. However, the economy has since taken a downturn on a global scale, not to mention domestic oil drilling has become more permissible in the meantime.
Our local leaders pulled through for us, and have done everything the company has asked for to set up the sight for the expansion. They've done a good job, struck a fair bargain, and we should be proud of that. Now the ball's in V&M's court, and it's probably going to depend more on the global marketplace than anything else.
All's fair in free speech, but I'm admittedly irked by ProAmerican's blunt comments "ethnics". Everyone here is descended from some ethnic group or another, so I'm not sure why that's supposed to be a bad thing.
At any rate, I don't think V&M Star's decision whether or not to expand at this point has anything to do with unions. It has to do with the global economy and the recession.
If I recall correctly, when V&M originally talked about expanding, the global economy was still stable and there was a high demand for oil exploration piping. However, the economy has since taken a downturn on a global scale, not to mention domestic oil drilling has become more permissible in the meantime.
Our local leaders pulled through for us, and have done everything the company has asked for to set up the site for the expansion. They've done a good job, struck a fair bargain, and we should be proud of that as a community. Now the ball's in V&M's court, and it's probably going to depend more on the global marketplace than on anything else we do here.
Atek, I agree; all of us descended from some ethnic group or another; however, I've moved beyond that; I'm an AMERICAN! Mahoning Valley residents are still mired in the "old country". I couldn't care less about my "ancestory"; however, ethnic cuisine is delectable. I'll say it agai, I'am an AMERICAN!
It infurates me when I see American citizens born in the USA wearing Italian, Irish, and UK flags on their jackets, stickers and flags on their cars, etc.
I've been in other regions of our nation and those Americans are proud to be AMERICANS, not narrow minded hyphened ones. It's no wonder Youngstown and the Mahoning Valley is the laughing stock of the whole country and probably the world.
Become proud AMERICANS, abondon your ignorant ethnic heritage.
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I'm sorry about the typos, too. Had a problem with my computer at the time.
However, ProAmerican, your ethnic slurs are completely uncalled for.
My Italian ancestors came to this country because they didn't like their native government and were in search of better economic opportunities, not because they didn't appreciate their own culture.
They were honest workers and businesspeople who helped to build up America and the Mahoning Valley, just like most others who immigrate to our country. Our cultural diversity as Americans has a lot to do with what makes us so great. What would the Valley be like without all the cultural festivals and traditions that were passed down to us by our ancestors? Not to mention the food!
But I digress. Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with the V&M star expansion project.
http://www.rateitall.com/i-2680632-young...