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Do you think the Mahoning Valley will land the new V&M Star Steel facility?

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Yes 47%
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No 52%
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472 total votes

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1 redvert (2064 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Pessimistic, yes I am until I see this area's track record improve. Hope I am wrong but only time will tell!

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2 Stan (9923 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Lots of interest has been shown so my guess is that they are ready to build . Due to Obama's energy plan there should be a huge demand for bicycles and V&M Star will be busy building the tubes for the frames . Youngstown will be known as the bicycle capital of the world when we export to all corners of it .

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3 cambridge (3013 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

All "Moaning Valley Cry Baby Losers" comment here please..

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4 redvert (2064 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

I asked once before whether or not V&M was currently a union shop but never got a answer. Without starting a big pi%$ing contest you have to understand that this will probably play a part in their decision. If they are now a union shop it would probably not be a big deal to them but if they are not it may enter in their decision.

The valley really needs one big success to turn the corner. I may be wrong but I think a lot of prospects believe that Ytown is still old school in it's thinking and is not ready to move into the 21st. century. What I mean by that, is the Ytown workforce ready to adapt to the 21st. century ways of doing business? 401K programs instead of the old style pension systems for example. Can not think of anyone that should want the old pension system but there probably still are some that think that way even with the current pension issues. Just my opinion!

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5 redvert (2064 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Guess nobody knows if V&M is currently union!

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6 aeparish (669 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

I don't believe V&M is currently union. To my knowledge, the only part of V&M that is union is Tube City, one of the contractor companies.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's just how I understood it.

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7 redvert (2064 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Thanks aeparish and Jessiedavid for the answer! I do think this may play a part in their decision. Time will tell.

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8 JennyChan (111 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

paulydel is incorrect. In fact, unions are causing just the opposite of what he claims. The suppliers of union based employers actually are being paid less so that the union shop can make more. That's why Delphi and most of the parts suppliers were spun off. So that they could cut costs at the suppliers and benefit the automakers.

My salary isn't at all related to any union wage. My wages as an accountant are completely determined by the market for accountants. Because there are few of us and we are very much in demand, the wages and benefits are determined strictly by the supply and demand of accountants.

There might be a place for good unions. The problem is there aren't any.

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9 ront (119 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

i disagree with the comment that unions cause non union employers to pay less. a company me father started woreking for in the late 1940's paid quite well, had good benifits. after several years, the company was unionized. the contract called for less benifits than they had before the union.

all this talk about gm and chrysler union causing the bankrupcy. anyone ever heard of ford motor company? same union, differnts management

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10 pit_bull_marley (291 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

If they are a non-union company, they are not comming. Why waste your time toying with each other.

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11 Ytownboy (142 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

On the national scale, Alabama has the 7th highest poverty rate at 16.1% of its population. It only has one county in which the poverty rate is in single-digits, and that is Shelby County with a poverty rate of seven percent.

Birmingham is doing great too: the poverty rate is (24.7%)

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12 redvert (2064 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Gee ytownboy, as of 2008 Ytown was at 24.8. I will be kind and call it a wash!

http://poverty.suite101.com/article.c...

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13 atek101 (77 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

All's fair in free speech, but I'm admittedly irked by ProAmerican's blunt comments "ethnics". Everyone is descended from one ethnic group or another, so I'm not sure what that's really supposed to mean?

At any rate, I don't think V&M Star's decision whether or not to expand at this point has anything to do with unions. It has to do with the global economy and the recession.

If I recall correctly, when V&M originally intended to expand, the global economy was still stable and there was a high demand for oil exploration piping. However, the economy has since taken a downturn on a global scale, not to mention domestic oil drilling has become more permissible in the meantime.

Our local leaders pulled through for us, and have done everything the company has asked for to set up the sight for the expansion. They've done a good job, struck a fair bargain, and we should be proud of that. Now the ball's in V&M's court, and it's probably going to depend more on the global marketplace than anything else.

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14 atek101 (77 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

All's fair in free speech, but I'm admittedly irked by ProAmerican's blunt comments "ethnics". Everyone here is descended from some ethnic group or another, so I'm not sure why that's supposed to be a bad thing.

At any rate, I don't think V&M Star's decision whether or not to expand at this point has anything to do with unions. It has to do with the global economy and the recession.

If I recall correctly, when V&M originally talked about expanding, the global economy was still stable and there was a high demand for oil exploration piping. However, the economy has since taken a downturn on a global scale, not to mention domestic oil drilling has become more permissible in the meantime.

Our local leaders pulled through for us, and have done everything the company has asked for to set up the site for the expansion. They've done a good job, struck a fair bargain, and we should be proud of that as a community. Now the ball's in V&M's court, and it's probably going to depend more on the global marketplace than on anything else we do here.

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15 atek101 (77 comments) posted 4 years, 11 months ago

I'm sorry about the typos, too. Had a problem with my computer at the time.

However, ProAmerican, your ethnic slurs are completely uncalled for.

My Italian ancestors came to this country because they didn't like their native government and were in search of better economic opportunities, not because they didn't appreciate their own culture.

They were honest workers and businesspeople who helped to build up America and the Mahoning Valley, just like most others who immigrate to our country. Our cultural diversity as Americans has a lot to do with what makes us so great. What would the Valley be like without all the cultural festivals and traditions that were passed down to us by our ancestors? Not to mention the food!

But I digress. Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with the V&M star expansion project.

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