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Rocco (99 comments)posted 6 months agoPro American - you are wasting your typing fingers with these left wing Socialist, Marxist's. They will never change the way they think. Ol Cambridge living in San Fransicko - makes me crack up laughing. That's where he/she belongs!!! Thanks for trying Pro.... - myself, I'm sick of them all.
cambridge (916 comments)posted 6 months ago Qual....I hope ProMerken never stops posting. It's important to know people like that exist and how far out of whack the far right can swing. With someone like that representing them their agenda is damaged with every comment he/she makes.
Plus it's such a good time making fun of them.
redvert (495 comments)posted 6 months ago Cambridge, why is it that when ProAmerican mentioned that your state was bankrupct you did not reply to the statement? Why did you not try to defend your state's economic policies?
When you run your flags up the pole (if you do at all), which one goes on top, the Mexican.
Then along comes Quail who states " Hey ProAmerican . . . the Cuban commies are coming and Obama wants to own all our companies and the gov't is going to take all our money and the gays are after you!!!! Please . . . remind us how horrible this all is!!!" It seems to me that Quail especially likes Obomination controlling industry and the gays coming. If that is what you like Quail make sure you don't squeal too loud!!!
When we talk about all the free handouts etc. I do not think any of the Conservative crowd have any problem helping out those less fortunate that are doing all they can to help themselves. What turns us off is the generation after generation that have lived on the dole as a way of life and just keep popping out more kids that they cannot support. Keep in mind that our Housing problem right now is
due to liberals pushing Fannie May and Freddie Mac to allow people who could not afford to buy houses to get 100% mortgages (no equity) and now expect tax payers to bail them out.
My question to both Cambridge and quail is, "are you comfortable with your taxes being used to bail these individuals out?" I do not know either one of you but I would be willing to bet that you both pay in more to the government then you get back at the end of the year. There are checks going to people that did not pay taxes to the government last year. That is your money, is that okay with you?
redvert (495 comments)posted 6 months ago Read these words from Scottish jurist and historian Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler, penned over 200 years ago. And consider them in relation to the 'promises' being made by Barack Obama.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence; from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again into bondage."
A vote for Obama is a vote based in complacency, a vote for moving toward apathy and dependence. Make no mistake - this is the "change" that he has in view. And millions of Americans are buying the package like sheep. Never thinking about what the long-term direction is, only focused on what's in it for me in the short term. "Spreading the wealth around," as B. Hussein Obama puts it.
Remember, these words were from 200 years ago and sure are applicable today!
cambridge (916 comments)posted 6 months ago redvert....I'd be happy to comment on California's economy. It's the 8th largest in the world. At present we are having some serous problems with our state budget. Our Republican Governator did the same thing to the state that Dubya did to the nation. You needs two thirds to get any thing past and the Republican minority block any attempt to move forward.
You need tax revenue to run the state. Every day letters to the editorial page in the SF Chronicle are from people begging them to raise their taxes to keep schools open, police, fire protection, infrastructure and so on. Nobody likes to pay taxes but if you want to dance you have to pay the band.
Believe me Arnold is on his way out along with the other human road blocks.When Jerry Brown was the Governor the Republicans referred to him as Governor "Moonbeam". Anything to create a distraction. That guy balanced the budget 7 out of 8 years. His last year we had a med fly problem and the eradication went over budget. But just like the Republicans in DC they can only distract by talks of socialism and other scare tactics. They need to come up with a plan but i don't see that happening.The people are tired of it and are wise to it. Keep trying to BS them and watch where it gets them.
ProMerken also mentioned all the hospitals closing. I haven't heard of a one. I worked in industrial design and engineering, mostly factory, refinery type projects. The contractors I worked for have shifted a lot of their focus toward hospitals because so many are being built. I worked on so many hospitals I'm sick of them. Just one more point your boy had no idea of what he was talking about.
I don't know why ProMerken or anyone else would think because someone lives in California they are for illegal immigrants. Nothing could be further from the truth. The sooner that problem is addressed the better. I don't agree with anything I've heard from Bush, McCain or Obama on that subject. I have my own views for the fix but that's for another discussion.
My problem with people like him is that if you don't agree, your a socialist. He's a hater of anyone who disagrees. We have had thousands of "social" programs in this country for generations. He is against all of them unless he partakes. He's for closing down Youngstown State and any other state university. I hope I answered some of your questions. I'd like to know what your view is on that subject.
hope4thevalley (391 comments)posted 6 months ago OMG here comes the Anti America , Anti worker, Anti union , right wing nuts out of the wood work . Onward RUSH, Beck, Cheney, Bush and what ever right wing freak they can quote.
redvert (495 comments)posted 6 months ago I could care less about Youngstown State, It is just another liberal think tank. Since you commented that it takes tax revenue to run a state I hope you are happy with the taxes you pay and will pay in the future. You never did mention what you thought of all the illegals that are loading up on your tax money. Perhaps you are happy with it. I am sure Obama is gonna fix what the last two administrations ignored.
Are the people begging to have their taxes raised or do they really want "those rich people" to pay more and as BO would say "spread the wealth"?
In defense of California I have to admit that there are two Californias, Southern California where all the leeches on society live and the rest of California where actually contributors to the economy live. Do the contributors want their taxes raised so the leeches can have more? No need to try to twist a answer on that last one.
cambridge (916 comments)posted 6 months ago redvert.....I did comment on illegals. I'm against them and any solution I've heard from any politician. Like I stated I have my own views on the fix. I'm sure at some time in the future Vindy will run a poll and I'll give my opinion.
I see you also are against state universities. There is an old saying "if you think education is expensive, the lack of education costs even more". Or something like that. The last thing this country needs is more uneducated stupid people. Believe me when I do a spell check before a post sometimes it looks like my screen burst into flames. I've spelled so poorly at times the spell check doesn't even know what I meant. I hope that the next generations do better but eliminating state supported education is not the answer.
You need to change your way of thinking. By assuming that because a person is for state universities that means they are for illegal immigrants or people living off the dole is ridiculous. If your capable but are not willing to work I'd be in favor of giving you nothing.
The last administration doubled the national debt. They did everything wrong. The current administration is doing what it thinks are the right things to fix it. If you don't agree with what they are doing, fine. You can offer your own plan or you can be like the Republicans that caused the problems and offer distractions and name calling. Like I said, the people are wise to that one.
Rocco (99 comments)posted 6 months ago Now don't be adding San Diego into the mix of fruits and nuts of "Southern Cal". It's a good military town.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 6 months ago Talk about taking the bait. National Health Insurance, social security, medicare, medicaid. How did you like it when your owner committed 17,000 troops to the Afghan war. Of course you socialists are so weak minded. Dream on useful idiots.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 6 months ago Redvert, defeat a "liberal" every time; all we have to do is reveal the facts. They're the haters. Truth haters. Cambridge, quail and Hope4thevalley are still waiting for the Demoncrats to bail the Mahoning Valley out with New Deal 2. Real Americans get off their butts to generate their own prosperity for their families and themselves. The state of Maryland just raised taxes against millionaires to, redistribution of income. Result, they excaped to other states further eroding the tax base. Socialism reduced everyone to the lowest common demoninator so the libs on this site will be torn down too. Socialists are so greedy they want to steal from anybody who is better off they they are. No wonder Lenin called them useful idiots.
hope4thevalley (391 comments)posted 6 months ago Wow you sure prove my point
UP UP with RUSH
By the way I sold my business and living very very well Thank you
redvert (495 comments)posted 6 months ago I have a dislike for most universities as I do the media. What I dislike about both and I mean the Conservative as well as the Liberal side is that they cannot seem to just present all the facts and let the people form their own opinion.
I did not agree with the last administration increasing the debt anymore than I agree with Obama committing 4 times the money that Bush spent. I personally did very well in my 401K during the Clinton years. Why, because the White house and Congress were under two different parties so they had to work together. I don't feel too comfortable with the Liberals in charge of everything. Anyone that can believe that reckless spending will decrease in this term has to be dreaming.
Cambridge, you stated "If your capable but are not willing to work I'd be in favor of giving you nothing." We certainly agree on that but I am afraid that the current administration and congress does not agree with us.
Well I have said all I want to say on this subject. I am sure we will agree to disagree again on some things in the near future.
ps: Sorry to give the impression that I was including San Diego in the free ride side of California. I apologize for that.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 6 months ago Hope, if you're doing so well, be a good socialist and share your wealth with the rest of us. Practice what you preach. It's not fair for you to do better than us when we are suffering. Tax the rich big time. Besides, it's not your money in the first place; it belongs to the govt. so pay up.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago Cambridge, Quail, Hope4theValley,
I'm happy today. Your socialist dictators want to tax your company paid healthcare as income and it's only fair. After all, you're getting an unfair advantage over employees who have to pay their own insurance. The Demoncrats are for the "little guy", lol. Chains We Can Believe In. Yes We Can, over tax you useless idiots.
Rocco (99 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago FYI - just heard on the morning news - The CA Governator is talking about stopping all welfare in the state - how about them apples!!!! Maybe more states should think about that!!!!! Billions could be saved on taking care of the illegals everywhere.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago Rocco, welfare was origionally enacted to assist working people to overcome extremely hard times like sickness, huge medical bills, etc. It wasn't intended for losers to procreate more losers who procreate even more losers for hard working people like us to support. The more you feed, the more they breed.
Rocco (99 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago You got that right Pro. The only thing I feel is my due is my Social Security that I have paid into my whole life. I just hope there will be some left when I can ever retire. I would have to say that Youngstown has to be the worst city in the country with generations of welfare collectors. It's disgusting and very depressing. One month in my entire life I did collect unemployment. That's it. There is always work out there if you really want it. The younger generation has many slackers with their work ethic I have found. I have had to fire many young people because they take advantage so much. Come in late, never know where they are, etc., etc. Must be from bad parenting....who knows....they think they "deserve a job"......NOT
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago Hey all you socialists, get ready for the VAT tax. It's a regressive tax. For the majority of you Mahoning County and San Fransicko residents; that means it hurts the poor, minorities, women the hardest. Again, CHAINS WE CAN BELIEVE IN. Big government at it's finest. Those who sacrifice liberty for freedom gain neither. Socialism always causes the direct opposite as it's origional intention.
scrooge (563 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago I took the time to read each and every thread. All I can say is WOW! I certainly hope cambridge and some of the others are just goading us along and don't actually belive the dribble they were spewing.
"Social programs" IS NOT "socialism"
Government DOES need to play a role in saftey and security of our nation, but as it takes on more and more programs it becomes a country completely run by government i.e. socialism
Healthcare should be kept private sector. If the government wouldn't tax the companies into nonexistance they would be able to fund and research at a more rapid rate. Look at the significant discoveries in healthcare - all done in the private sector! People from countries with "free" healthcare come to the US for the best medical treatment. They aren't just the rich - any given day you can go thru the parking decks at Cleveland Clinic (voted one of the top hospitals in the WORLD by the way) and see dozens of Canadian plates.
Now the actual topic of the thread:
The cost of the hybrid car will be considerably more than $1500 someone stated earlier. In fact they claim trucks (pickups) will be too expensive for average citizens to own - they never made that claim when they were selling $80K Hummers now did they? The 35 mpg mark will mean turbocharged 4 cyl. engines and a (big surprize here) large tax on "gas guzzlers". Hybrid power is a lot further away than the 8 year mark Obama put on it. Coincedently AFTER he leaves office.
BAD IDEA.......right direction but bad timeframe.
One last thing - someone also said 5% of the world using 25% of world oil - that may be true but we (U.S.) contribute well over 50% of world food/manuf. production.
hope4thevalley (391 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago COME ON DO NOT SPOIL IT. IT'S FUN TO STIR THE HATE ( RUSH , CHANEY , BECK, rigth wingnut ) POT WITH THE TRUTH
borylie (191 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago ProAmerican,
Ask these " geniuses " ( they really aren't ), what is a liberal/democrat. They won't or cannot answer that question. You have great stamina to take on these people and I'd like to help you, but I got worn out trying to have them understand why I'm neo-conservative and all the the other compliments they call me and yet to have them tell me why they are liberal/democrat. Good luck.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago Borylie. Who own GM? The government. That's socialism. The current defination of socialism is someone who loves to give away someone else's money. Talk about hate! Reverend Wright, terrorist William Ayers and his terrorist wife, union knee breakers, the Hollyweird crowd. VAT tax, denying minority children school vouchers while rich libs enroll their kids in expensive private schools but force the poor into dangerous, inferior public schools. Referring to veterans, cops, pro lifers as right wing extremists, partial birth abortions. Libs accuse our military of torturing. Isn't partial birth abortion hatred and torture? Not to the libs, they are only compassionate to Islamic murderers.
Rocco (99 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago I can't help but call the Libs "The Enemy Within" as they whine about us torturing the terrorists. Give me a break....betcha only 2% of them have been in the military and never have been to war. They have no idea what it's like to have your life on the line. How many of you whiny babies have had you or your family members life threatened. How many of you would stand up to our enemies....no, you would rather "talk about it", because you know they would never dare hurt "you"....GAG ME!!! ALL OF YOU!!! You would be hiding behind your mommies skirt.. Cambridge is probably up there in San FranFreako waving the rainbow flag........ugh....
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago Rocco, lib men are girly men! You know the type; riding their little bicycle while wearing a bright multi-colored helmet, elbow and knee pads and a colorful shirts and pants. They they stop at Starbucks with their male partners for a Latte. Real men are proud to be Americans and willing to fight for our freedom. We don't whine to get welfare, social security and free health care. We support ourselves and families and support charities. Libs need us so they can raise our taxes to support their sissy boy lifestyle.
Rocco (99 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago Yep, girly men in spandex.....LOL
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago Yes, wearing spandex and calling spaghetti, pasta. We told the truth and they can't take it. We win every time because conservatives use facts not fiction.
JD010101 (110 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago The price of gas would not go down if we used less due to higher mileage cars. Case in point, European cars high gas mileage and also use of mass transit. Still gas prices in Europe are stellar. If gas prices fell, the democratic government would want to tax the bigesus out of a gallon of fuel to fund their social plans.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago JD, that's what libs want. They want all of us to be reduced to the lowest common demoninator. Socialism! For the greedy, lazy, stupid and cowardly. Someone to think for them. Un American.
cambridge (916 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago You folks seem to really be up on the gay life style. Very informative. If your directing that to me thanks for the interest but I'm strait. Please don't confuse me with the countless Republicans in Congress that preach family values while they're chasing around little boys and undercover cops. I'm a Democrate. You know the difference, if we cheat on our wives we do it with another woman. But you guys have at it it's a free country and it's your own business.
As far as all that tuff guy talk. It's real easy hiding behind your key board. I know not a one of you would have the balls to talk to anyone in the street that way.
So have a good time. And don't forget to wipe your chin.
epicfail (171 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago "...riding their little bicycle while wearing a bright multi-colored helmet, elbow and knee pads and a colorful shirts and pants. They they stop at Starbucks with their male partners for a Latte..."
"...girly men in spandex..."
"...wearing spandex and calling spaghetti, pasta..."
Get a room you two.
cambridge (916 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago (This comment was removed by the site staff.)
epicfail (171 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago No way! They're manly men! The kind who live in log cabins!
UnionForever (262 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago I like driving my big roomy SUV made in the USA.
hope4thevalley (391 comments)posted 5 months, 29 days ago Looks like the hate group can now stir their own pot now . It seems they are so worked up and off their *sses, that the truth squad can go on to better things and let them eat each other . Have fun
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago A question for ProAmerican and some of his/her fellow Dittoheads. Is it possible for you to post anything without some sort of dergatory comment?
It really doesn't bother me . . . I'm just curious. It seems to be the single common thread thea ties you all together. Aren't you a little embarrassed by it?
Ronald Reagan is probably turning over in his grave over at the way people like you have corrupted true conservatism.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago Wow aren't these socialists hateful; read how they think of gays. Sounds like Hitlers gay SA who murdered other gays. And they call us hateful. Gays should be fearful of hate mongers like Quail, Hope4thevalley and Cambridge. It's laughable how they claim we use derogatory language against gays. We didn't make fun of anybody's sexuality, they did.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago Ummm, ProAmerican . . . I didn't even mention gays. What the hell are you talking about?
Where do you people come up with this stuff? It's like you live in this little imaginary world . . . quite interesting.
The Quail
hope4thevalley (391 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago It's called Rush cool aid , or Beck aid. Somethine like that
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago We live in an imaginary world? You leftos are the ones who are trying to achieve Utopia on earth. It's your religion. Except for gays who you hate. Why do you leftos hate gays? Paint our roofs white! Give us a break, lol. You losers are the cause of global waming with all the hot air you generate.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago Why do you libs who use that word as a cover for marxism love Castro, Chevez, Che? All of them are racist mass murderers. Are you criminally mentally ill?
redvert (495 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago (This comment was removed by the site staff.)
cambridge (916 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago redvert...LOL! I've alluded to my lack of my spelling skills before. Believe me your not the first to point them out.
The thing with Barney Frank is, he's gay and he owns it. The list of Republican legislators and Evangelicals that demonise gay people while they preach family values is as long as my arm. Meanwhile their out cheating on their wives with other men. That makes them hypocrites. That's the difference between them and Barney Frank.
If it makes you feel better to pretend I'm gay go ahead. I don't care. You, ProMerken and his little friend the Roc-et are doing exactly what your Republican friends I mentioned do. I'm guessing you three are the ones with the issues.
I live where I want to live just like you live where you want to live. Why is where I live an issue to you or anybody else. I don't have a problem where anyone else lives. I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person that moved away from Youngstown. Are you obsessed with all of them or just me?
I get the impression from ProMerken who loves to run down the valley and brag about the red state he lives in that he doesn't live in Ohio. I get the same impression from his little friend the Roc-et. Why don't you get them to tell where they live and you could be obsessed with them?
redvert (495 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago (This comment was removed by the site staff.)
cambridge (916 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago Like I said, you seem obsessed. You could probably get some help for that.
redvert (495 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago Sounds like you are running out of steam cambridge. You can have the last comment if you wish. If not, that is fine. When you all were trying to gang up on ProAmerican you were having fun. Looks like it isn't as much fun anymore.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 28 days ago We conservative support the US Constitution. Freedom of Speech, etc. You libs love dictators like Chevez and Castro who abolish those freedoms; no wonder you want to change America into a dictatorship. Conservatives support your right to free expression; we don't have to employ draconian laws like "The Fairness Doctrine" to shut anybody up or "The Employee Free Choice Act" to terrorize employees into voting for a union because unions can't win elections fair and square. The secret ballot is our sacred right; if you don't hate individual freedoms, go to Cuba or Venzuela. How many Americans risk life and limb sailing to those two Communist countries in unsafe, overcrowded boats?
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 27 days ago Good post Pro-American! We have a lot in common!
- I too support the Constitution.
- I am a strong supporter of freedom of speech
You do have a few inaccuracies though:
- I do not like Chavez or Castro
- I do not belive it terrorizing anyone
- I believe in the secret ballot
- I do not hate individual freedoms
- I am an American, I am not going to Cuba, Venezuela or anywhere else.
I would like to answer your question, but am a little confused . . . WHAT "Americans are risk[ing] life and limb sailing to those two Communist countries in unsafe, overcrowded boats? What the hell are you talking about? Where do you neo-cons come up with this stuff?
The Quail
redvert (495 comments)posted 5 months, 27 days ago TheQuail, he wrote that last sentence as a question, not a statement.
Rocco (99 comments)posted 5 months, 27 days ago I told you days ago, you are wasting your typing fingers arguing with these libs. They bore the H*!! out of me. Same old, same old. I can't be bothered. Don't remember who brought up Barney Frank but I just laugh my a$$ off every time I think of that poor loony tune crook. You can thank him and his buddies for the melt down....they started it.
OK - I'm outta here. Have a nice day....
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 27 days agoQuail, my point is America is so great nobody would leave to go to Cuba for "free" health care. If you believe it all the things you said you do, you are a conservative. Welcome.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 27 days ago Happy to be aboard ProAm!
Of course I am also a strong supported of Obama, gay rights, and the right to unionize.
I am a fiscal conservative, and a social liberal.
I voted for George the first and for Dole a few years back.
I love this country and would die for it.
I abhor what dubya did to this country.
I am anti-abortion, but support a woman's right to choose.
Hmmm, I guess this knocks your tendency to lump all "libs" into a single category doesn't it?
I would love to see true conservatism return. I did not like Reagan, but at least his supporters understood what conservatism is. People like have truly lost the meaning of the word. You have all pretty much become conservative wannabees.
Ever since Limbaugh hit the airways and the Republicans invited the religious right into the fold by pretending to care about gays and abortion, your party has really suffered.
There is hope for you though. Some of the younger Reps seem to be returning to traditional conservative values. They will leave people like you in the dust as they once againn make their party a worthy opponent for us Dems.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 27 days ago Quail, I don't like Bush 1 or Bush 2. McCain either. We agree on numerous subjects but remember, the religious left exists as well as the religious right (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev. Wright, and that Catholic Priest from Chicago). As far as gay rights, maybe the government should be out of marriage totally. I can't stand the GOP or the Dems. Both are driving America down the road to Communism! I'm considering the Constititional Party. Right wing, left wing, lib, are all cumbersome terms. True convervatives were once identifited as libs. You sound a lot like a liberatarian.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 24 days ago Sure there are examples of left-wing religious people, but conservatism has largely become identified with the religious right in the country.
Actually, I looked in to the Libertarian praty at one time, but I just couldn't be comfortable with its close proximity to anarchy. I'm not a fan of big government, but we do need more regulation than the level promoted by the Libertarians, as is clearly demonstrated by the financial melt-down that was fueled by de-regulation. Simply put . . . we gotta have rules.
Yeah, I could see you becoming a member of the Constitional Party . . . can't get much more right wing than that. We had a member of that party working here for awhile. Quite a strange individual . . . we kept expecting him to say, Heil! Let me guess . . . you are a fan of Micheal Savage, right?
Here's a question for you: All your "toe-the-pary-line" rhetoric aside, what is so bad about a little socialism?
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 24 days ago So what's wrong with the US Constitution? Do you like free speech? What's wrong with a little socialism? It leads to lost of socialism, like Government Motors.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 24 days ago I don't believe anything is wrong with the Constitution and I am in favor of free speech.
Socialism has nothing to do with free speech. Perhaps you are equating the repressive regimes in China, Cuba, or the former Soviet Republic as true examples of socialism? Sure, they embracesdmany socialist concepts, but repression is not a socialist concept.
Every single government in the world has some elements of socialism, as has every single government in modern history. The U.S.S.R no longer exists, China is embracing capitalism, and I could go on. These examples seem to contradict your assertion that "it leads to a lost [sic] of socialism." It seems to me that you really don't understand socialism well enough to have such strong opinions of it.
As for me, I embrace some tenets of socialism but tend to reject the concept as a whole. Socialism was an interesting experiment that failed.
Today's neo-cons simply use it today to try to generate fear of some mythical socialist takeover. This worked in previous decades, but is laughable in the modern era. You might as well givde it up ProMerkin. It makes you look foolish.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 24 days ago Not not socialist nation allowed free speech. when the last premier of the USSR permitted free speech the USSR fell! You're right, socialism has nothing to do with free speech.
Rocco (99 comments)posted 5 months, 23 days ago Quail must be deaf and dumb and blind. He says:
"As for me, I embrace some tenets of socialism but tend to reject the concept as a whole. Socialism was an interesting experiment that failed.
Today's neo-cons simply use it today to try to generate fear of some mythical socialist takeover. This worked in previous decades, but is laughable in the modern era. You might as well givde it up ProMerkin. It makes you look foolish."
Your the myth and the fool Quail. Socialism is alive and thriving under Hussein and our "Not Born In USA" Pres that will soon be found out. Just a matter of time.
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 23 days ago Rocco,
Thanks so much for your enlightening comments! Your quick wit and educated analysis bring a level of intelligence not often seen on this board.
You truly are a credit to your species. Please keep the comments coming!
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 23 days ago Rocco, we conservatives are human beings, not species like socialists who believed they evolved from the common ancestor of apes and men. America is in sharp decline because of little children who want big daddy government to protect them from individual rights, personal responsibility and good old fashioned American guts!
hope4thevalley (391 comments)posted 5 months, 23 days ago JUST MORE RIGHT WINGNUT HATE. YOU SURE MAKE THINGS FUN TO READ . THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 22 days ago Ummm . . . ProMerkin, you let me down again.
Human beings are indeed members of a species. Socialism is a political/social philosphy.
Don't worry my friend, you'll get osomething right one of these times. Keep trying!
By the way: I know many liberals, and not a single one of them wants "big daddy government to protect them from individual rights, personal responsibility and good old fashioned American guts!" Who are you referring to? Or perhaps that's just you saying exactly what you've been told to say by the neo-con media?
The Quail
redvert (495 comments)posted 5 months, 22 days ago Quail said: By the way: I know many liberals, and not a single one of them wants "big daddy government to protect them from individual rights, personal responsibility and good old fashioned American guts!" Who are you referring to?
Are you sure you are referring to liberals, sounds more like you are describing conservatives. Remember, the president received lots of votes from those that wanted to "share the wealth". If you worked for what you have in life then some of that wealth is yours. Take a look at this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3...
Ya Buddy!!!!!!!!
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 22 days ago left wingnuts: Bill Ayers, his wife Bernadette (both commie terrorists), Michael Moore, Sean Penn. All of them rich and they have no use for any of you weak minded socialists.
cambridge (916 comments)posted 5 months, 22 days ago I believe cars that deliver higher mileage and improved gas emissions are a good idea.
redvert (495 comments)posted 5 months, 22 days ago cambridge, are you saying this thread has kinda got off track?
cambridge (916 comments)posted 5 months, 22 days ago Just since the 8th post.
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 22 days ago Quail, socialism is a failure. Can you name one socialistic nation which succeeded? Cambridge, the government can even provide decent mail service; how can it decide what cars should be built?
TheQuail (125 comments)posted 5 months, 21 days ago Not a single one of them has succeeded. As I said earlier, "socialism is a failed policy."
That's exactly why we don't need to fear it. Get it? It is a FAILED policy. So why are you neo-cons so worried about it?
Hey, I think our postal service does pretty damn good job. Less than 50 cents gets a package delivered anywhere in the country, right to the recipient's place of residence. It's still one of teh best bargains out there.
BTW: Sorry, but I've really said all I had to say about fuel mileage.
The Quail
ProAmerican (1059 comments)posted 5 months, 21 days ago How many billions of dollars do the taxpayers pay to the postal service?
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Let's see. Does anyone really want to pay $1,300 more for a car??? NO.
Everyone should vote NO on this one.
Let's see. If a car lasts 10 years that would be another $130 a year, or around $11 more a month or about $0,36 a day. Everyone should vote no. Lets use up what ever oil is left as soon as possible and cause as much pollution as we can.
I would like to make another point. A car with better mileage would use less gas. If cars used less gas the price of gas would be less. So while you would be paying that insane amount of $0.36 a day more for the car you would be using less fuel and the fuel would be cheaper. In the long run the car would save you money.
The question should probably be "could you agree with ANYTHING Obama wanted to do?"
Don't you just love the drill, drill, drill crowd. There's no global warming, we got plenty of oil offshore, oil isn't finite.
Cambridge is correct. We need to change our energy consuming habits. 5% of the worlds population shouldn't be using 25% of the resources. Not only is it immoral, it is unsustainable.
Using less gas is a start and the actual increased cost of the auto is offset by the savings in fuel.
What gives Americans the right to pillage the environment and use energy with ruthless abandon?
I voted yes but the higher gas milage will get you either way if Obama has his way because every tax you can think of will be out there to make it more expensive than just the car.
For those who think higher milage would result in lower gas prices, you're forgetting one important business principal. "GREED"
If we start using less gas then the oil companies will raise the price to offset their losses.
In response to the question I would love to see improved gas milage, but not just because the president thinks its a good idea. It's an idea thats been around for a long, long time.
Oil consumption is still down and the price of gas is going up - why?
You Mahoning County idiots will never grow up; even after we have socialism rammed down our throats. You will still be too stupid to know how bad you're being exploited. What can we expect from union mentality, under educated blue collar sport fans and pseudo intellectuals? Watch your porn dvd, drink your beer; who's on first?
Socialism never works. it always a generates the opposite result of what was intended. If you want to drive a clown car and pay 10.00/gallon of gasoline like those European sheep, by my guest. Meanwhile Al Gore and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr will be flying around the nation in their huge, expensive, private jets, burning lots of fuel while talking you socialists about saving the environment. Small, unsafe, vehicles will consume less fuel and your taxes will rise dramatically and so will the price of the fuel you consume.
Hey ProMerken: Great comments. Your parents must be proud. When it comes your time are you going to file for SOCIAL security and Medicare? I'm sure you won't be like the rest of the sheep cashing that check.
Cambridge, the socialist Social Security and Medicare are both bankrupt. You leftos don't have the guts or common sense to take care of yourselves so you rely on government. I don't need the govt. to steal my money, do you? And don't employees pass Social Security costs they are forced to pay to the consumer? Capitalism is superior but socialists like you don't have the guts or brains to realize it.
Cambridge expects me to pay Social Security and Medicaid against my will and then when its time for big daddy govt. to pay up, if possible, I'm supposed to refuse to accept what is rightfully mine in the first place. Weak minded citizens want to be treated like children; that's why they want the govt. to baby them instead of being a real man or woman, a responsible individual.
I don't know what a poll on improved gas mileage and lower emissions has to do with socialism. But if you have ever filed for unemployment, are in favor of a public school system, plan on collecting Social Security and Medicare, are in favor of government funding for cancer research and cures for other diseases like diabetes and others you should shut up about socialism. If you haven't figured it out, those are all social programs. Maybe we should close all the state colleges and have every institution of higher learning be private. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Let me attempt to educate you. When govt. dictates what sort of car a corporation has to manufacture that's socialism! And the result will be driving dangerous European Clown Cars, the ones we don't want. Yes, I say the govt. shouldn't fund colleges, every one of them SHOULD be private. Ever hear of paying your own tuition instead of relying on the taxpayers hard earned money? If taxes weren't so outrageously high, medical science wouldn't have to rely on govt. grants. Socialism is for cowards and leeches. Our Founding Fathers would be heartbroken if they knew their countrymen degenerated into cowards. I know, why don't we give ourselves back to England?
If you're not in favor of the social programs I mentioned you're probable against the hundreds of others I didn't get around to mentioning that have existed for generations. You don't seem to want to accept America and can only react to Americans by calling them names because they don't agree with you. As if you have a clue. Why don't you just go and live somewhere that shares your values and views. You know where they don't have any of these social programs? Afganastan for one. A few countries in Africa. Do me a favor when you get there. Please change your user name because your views are far from American.
You're the one who won't accept America or the Constitution. America is prosperous because the Founding Fathers, unlike you and other losers recognized and risked their lives and fortunes for capitalism vs. a monarchy. Social programs create, poverty, higher taxes for the honest citizens, and dependency on big government. Are you receiving a living from such programs or maybe you do work but can't recognize you're being enslaved? That's a laugh, a socialist calling me un-American. If this was 1776, you'd have been a torrie.
wow, there's that word "socialism" again....that word gets thrown around among the righties too often it's lost all meaning.
tell me, do you enjoy the food you buy at the grocery store? because you know there's such thing as the USDA to make sure that food you eat is safe and won't make you sick. SOCIALISM
tell me, do you trust the medicines your doctor prescribes you? of course you do, because they have been approved by something called the FDA. they make sure what you're putting in your body won't kill you. curse them socialists for not allowing drug companies to put whatever they want in their pills.
i'm not a fan of the FCC, but they tell networks what they can and can't broadcast. those damn socialists, them
ProMerken:
That's your problem. It's not 1776 it's 2009. Try to keep up. Don't be selective with that founding fathers crap. Your type never mention the part about them being slave owners and traders or the fact that the systimatically committed genocide on the Native Americans.
When you go down to your local Memoral Day Parade remember it's the tax payer paying for the planning, coordination, security and clean up. I'm pretty sure that would qualify as a social program. You might be against paying for a day to honor the men and women that died for this country but I'm honored to.
Taxpayers pay to maintain Mill Creek Park. You have to go a long way to find an inner city park to come close to that one. Another social program thrown away. Speaking of parks lets get rid of any others like ball fields. Who needs playgrounds or little league baseball. That's not in the constitution.
Close Youngstown State. Why have state universities? Why help educate our citizens? Only people with money should be able to get an education. Like our last President. Look at what good an education did him, or us.
I'm a tax payer and you are right about one thing. When I pay taxes to the city, county, state and federal governments I expect something in return. That does not make me a socialist. I'm as capitalist as they come. I also have some common sense and have a grasp on the big picture.
I'm done going back and forth with you off the topic. So just go ahead and call me some names and lets give some other people a chance to express their views on the poll.
Reduce the weight of a car by 100 pounds and kill as many as 750 motorists per year. Check it out with NHTSA. So millions of Americans will die because of clown cars. How much money is that worth? Save 1M, kill 35M Americans. How about the govt. forcing banks to make bad loans and covering them with FREDDIE MAE and FANNIE MAE? Result, the curren economict crisis. If you like big govt. so much, migrate to Europe; you will enjoy the additional benefit of National "health" insurance.
so now this is about healthcare, i see.
it's so nice being able to enjoy our 37th ranked healthcare system worldwide
We have the best health care in the world. Castro went to Spain for his hernia; he'd have come to America for treatment if he could. All the rich Arabs come here too. When that drunken, drug abuser Ted Kennedy, needs health care he doesn't go to Cuba does he? What's wrong with you socialists?
so you're naming a bunch of rich people as examples of why you think america's healthcare is the best. of course rich people get their heathcare here because THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CAN AFFORD IT. this is the only country in the world that has a for-profit healthcare system. and it fails miserably.
all you ever hear from the right wing nutjobs is that under a national healthcare plan "a bureaucrat will be in charge of your healthcare decisions instead of your doctor" blah blah blah
guess what.....your doctor doesn't make your healthcare decisions today either. your insurance company does. and chances are, when you need them the most they find a way to screw you and deny you your care leaving you with an enormous bill that only the wealthiest can afford to pay.
You lefties are looking for a handout at the taxpayers' expense. Those rich people are lefties just like you. Candians hope we don't fall for national health insurance; where will they go for civilized health car. Ask them or the Brits what they think of their "free" health care. You trust the government to choose your doctor, the care it wants to provide and replace insurance companies. Balance out your news coverage with Fox as well as the established media. Listen to Rush, and Michael Savage and lefto radio talk shows as well.
talk radio and cable news are for people who can't think for themselves.
and regardless of what rush, hannity, or whoever has told you, canadians and brits choose their own doctors and they live a lot longer than we do, too.
You don't believe that for one second. Leftos hate to admit the Socialistic religion is a false god. British patients are denied health care because of age, etc. Ever hear of stacking? That's what the Brits call lining up ambulances outside a hospital then lining them up in the emergency room for hours. 'They are frequently left unattended, even after they finally are assigned a room. Would you like to drink water from a flower base because no one will attend to your medical needs? If that's what you think is quality health care go for it but leave me out.
I'm all for better gas mileage and less emissions.
yet the righties want to continue to build big gas guzzling vehicles that have bankrupted the entire auto industry
Hmmm. Maybe I should change my username to "ProBabyJesusAmericaConstitutionApplePie".
The UAW, EPA, CAFE, EEO, is what bankrupted the US auto industry.
Never argue with a right wingnut . They are all on Bushaid and Beckaid and can not think for themselves . They hate their neighbor, their community, their country and anything not right wing nut +rap They must blame all the troubles in the world on unions, liberals or what ever they are told to hate at the time by Rush, Beck ,Chaney and Fox .I sure hope they never need help some day.
But their so perfect and full of themselves they will never need help.
Lefto moonbats lack guts so they depend on "wingnuts" for everything they need, national defense, financial handouts. Blue states have a 20% higher unemployment rate than red states. They say we are hateful; who attacted Sarah Palin and Miss California with such filthy language? But lefots claim to be tolerant and we are mean spirited and hateful. Why do you leftos love muderous dictators like Castro and Chevez?
Hey hope:
Fox Noise isn't so bad. They're kind of fun to watch. You never know when Sean or BillO's head will explode and the only thing more fun to watch than Glenn trying to cry is Greta doing those imitations of Bill Murray as Carl in Caddy Shack.
ProAmerican(FOX) just proved my point THANK YOU Just more hate that is all they know
I'm proud to say I live in California (SF Bay Area) the bluest of all states. The last election proved all the best states are blue.
The Red states are Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. The Blue states have the best beaches, ski resorts, the Statue of Liberty, Intel, Microsoft, Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Cal Tech, MIT, Columbia, most of Americas venture capital and entrepreneurs. The red states have Dollywood, Ole' Miss and Alabama.
Blue states have most of the country's fresh water almost all of the pineapples, lettuce, fresh fruit and quality wine. You can serve French wine at your house. We have all the redwoods,sequoias, Ivy league schools, New England and the Great Lakes.
The red states have the highest percentage of obese Americans, most of the mosquitoes, hurricanes, Southern Baptist and all of the tornadoes and televangelists.
In red States they believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale,life is sacred unless it involves the death penalty or gun ownership, evolution is only a theory, Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 and they have a higher moral standard than those of us on the left.
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California is bankrupt! California is a joke needing a bailout from red states. You list lots of huge corporations which were founded in the midwest. And they will be fleeing California so they can't be taxed into non-existance. How high is your state income tax? Yes Calif is so hip, the higherst death rate from AIDS. Do you like supporting illegal aliens? If you do, don't beg us to help you do it. How many hospitals have gone under in your state? California, the homeless capital of America. TB and other infectious diseases on skyrocketing in California because you don't have the guts to stop illegal immigrants from polluting your state. Oh yes, New York is dying too; especially when it can't rely on rich conservatives to support their free spending addiction. Even the ATM and public telephone pads are covered with feces. You blue state losers, stay home with your illegal gardeners and housekeepers. We don't need you invading red states demanding even more handouts. COMPRENDE?
PROVES MY POINT. JUST MORE HATE
Hilarious!
When hybrid/all electric cars are "MASS" produced the price will cost the same as any other 10K dollar automobile.
Think of the Compact Florescent Light Bulbs. Remember when no one could afford them? Now you they are as cheap if NOT cheaper then a regular incandescent bulb.
But remember all those cheap compact florescent bulbs are made in China . By companies that the GOP led Congress gave BIG TAX breaks to ship the work there . From what I hear not one is made in America . But thats OK they must be better because they are made by non America workers and non Americica companies. Think about that as you drive past the closed GE lamp plant on Meridian Rd.
That's funny... The last batch of florescent bulbs were made by GE!!! hahahaha
Reason why none a made in the USA? The bulbs contain a small amount of mercury and it cost too much to fab a plant, and pay workers "american" salaries.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's not just about bulbs but have you seen where incandescent bulbs are made? Yeah? Really? Look again, How about those levies, ipods, iphone or "ANY" cell phone... How about the keyboard and mouse you are using? How about the monitor? I could go on and on but what point is that? When how funny your post is about the ONLY thing that is made HERE in the USA are the Toyota Prius's! Yep, that's right made right here in the good ol USA by American workers ... Sheesh......
YOU PROVE MY POINT THANK YOU !!!!!
I HOPE SOME DAY YOU GET OVER YOUR HATE
BY THE WAY THEY JUST PUT THE GE NAME ON THEM , THEY ARE MADE BY A CHINESE CO. LOOK IT UP.
TOYOTA IS A FOREIGN CO. OR DID YOU FORGET WITH ALL YOU BLIND HATE
HMMMMMM
Good job all.
Keeping "ProAmerican" and people like him focused on such nebulous concepts as his interpretation of "socialism" is a good thing.
Hopefullly, keeping them distracted by such things will prevent them from trying to lead us into yet another deadly search for mythical WMDs.
Hey ProAmerican . . . the Cuban commies are coming and Obama wants to own all our companies and the gov't is going to take all our money and the gays are after you!!!! Please . . . remind us how horrible this all is!!!
(There, that oughtta keep him out of trouble for a while.)
The Quail
That may be so but people like you will go down with me. Lenin called mean naive children like you "useful Idiots"!
When you ran your flags up the flag poll today witch one did you put on top, the Merken flag or the Confederate flag?
Lenin also said "all we need is love", "give peace a chance" and "why don't we do it in the road".
You fool! Not John Lennon. Did you ever hear of the Bolshevic Revolution? That Lenin. Do your homework.
You say you want a Revolution?
Are you a thought police man? All the money wasted by the FDR Administration did't reduce unemployment at all; as a matter of fact unemployment increased. Thats socialism. And Lennon, not the Communist dictator Lenin, co-wrote a single about revolution. "And if you're carrying poster for Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna get any money anyhow".
hope4thevalley is my new hero. Funniest thing ever.
Hey Cambridge . . . great job. ProAmerican took the bait each time. It's all about keeping these right wingnuts occupied.
Educational too . . . I had no idea Lenin was a singer and a poet too. Thanks
The Quail