Let's see. Does anyone really want to pay $1,300 more for a car??? NO.
Everyone should vote NO on this one.
Let's see. If a car lasts 10 years that would be another $130 a year, or around $11 more a month or about $0,36 a day. Everyone should vote no. Lets use up what ever oil is left as soon as possible and cause as much pollution as we can.
I would like to make another point. A car with better mileage would use less gas. If cars used less gas the price of gas would be less. So while you would be paying that insane amount of $0.36 a day more for the car you would be using less fuel and the fuel would be cheaper. In the long run the car would save you money.
The question should probably be "could you agree with ANYTHING Obama wanted to do?"
Don't you just love the drill, drill, drill crowd. There's no global warming, we got plenty of oil offshore, oil isn't finite.
Cambridge is correct. We need to change our energy consuming habits. 5% of the worlds population shouldn't be using 25% of the resources. Not only is it immoral, it is unsustainable.
Using less gas is a start and the actual increased cost of the auto is offset by the savings in fuel.
What gives Americans the right to pillage the environment and use energy with ruthless abandon?
I voted yes but the higher gas milage will get you either way if Obama has his way because every tax you can think of will be out there to make it more expensive than just the car.
For those who think higher milage would result in lower gas prices, you're forgetting one important business principal. "GREED"If we start using less gas then the oil companies will raise the price to offset their losses.In response to the question I would love to see improved gas milage, but not just because the president thinks its a good idea. It's an idea thats been around for a long, long time.
Oil consumption is still down and the price of gas is going up - why?
Hey ProMerken: Great comments. Your parents must be proud. When it comes your time are you going to file for SOCIAL security and Medicare? I'm sure you won't be like the rest of the sheep cashing that check.
I don't know what a poll on improved gas mileage and lower emissions has to do with socialism. But if you have ever filed for unemployment, are in favor of a public school system, plan on collecting Social Security and Medicare, are in favor of government funding for cancer research and cures for other diseases like diabetes and others you should shut up about socialism. If you haven't figured it out, those are all social programs. Maybe we should close all the state colleges and have every institution of higher learning be private. You have no idea what you are talking about.
If you're not in favor of the social programs I mentioned you're probable against the hundreds of others I didn't get around to mentioning that have existed for generations. You don't seem to want to accept America and can only react to Americans by calling them names because they don't agree with you. As if you have a clue. Why don't you just go and live somewhere that shares your values and views. You know where they don't have any of these social programs? Afganastan for one. A few countries in Africa. Do me a favor when you get there. Please change your user name because your views are far from American.
That's your problem. It's not 1776 it's 2009. Try to keep up. Don't be selective with that founding fathers crap. Your type never mention the part about them being slave owners and traders or the fact that the systimatically committed genocide on the Native Americans.
When you go down to your local Memoral Day Parade remember it's the tax payer paying for the planning, coordination, security and clean up. I'm pretty sure that would qualify as a social program. You might be against paying for a day to honor the men and women that died for this country but I'm honored to.
Taxpayers pay to maintain Mill Creek Park. You have to go a long way to find an inner city park to come close to that one. Another social program thrown away. Speaking of parks lets get rid of any others like ball fields. Who needs playgrounds or little league baseball. That's not in the constitution.
Close Youngstown State. Why have state universities? Why help educate our citizens? Only people with money should be able to get an education. Like our last President. Look at what good an education did him, or us.
I'm a tax payer and you are right about one thing. When I pay taxes to the city, county, state and federal governments I expect something in return. That does not make me a socialist. I'm as capitalist as they come. I also have some common sense and have a grasp on the big picture.
I'm done going back and forth with you off the topic. So just go ahead and call me some names and lets give some other people a chance to express their views on the poll.
I'm all for better gas mileage and less emissions.
Hmmm. Maybe I should change my username to "ProBabyJesusAmericaConstitutionApplePie".
Fox Noise isn't so bad. They're kind of fun to watch. You never know when Sean or BillO's head will explode and the only thing more fun to watch than Glenn trying to cry is Greta doing those imitations of Bill Murray as Carl in Caddy Shack.
I'm proud to say I live in California (SF Bay Area) the bluest of all states. The last election proved all the best states are blue.
The Red states are Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. The Blue states have the best beaches, ski resorts, the Statue of Liberty, Intel, Microsoft, Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Cal Tech, MIT, Columbia, most of Americas venture capital and entrepreneurs. The red states have Dollywood, Ole' Miss and Alabama.
Blue states have most of the country's fresh water almost all of the pineapples, lettuce, fresh fruit and quality wine. You can serve French wine at your house. We have all the redwoods,sequoias, Ivy league schools, New England and the Great Lakes.
The red states have the highest percentage of obese Americans, most of the mosquitoes, hurricanes, Southern Baptist and all of the tornadoes and televangelists.
In red States they believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale,life is sacred unless it involves the death penalty or gun ownership, evolution is only a theory, Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 and they have a higher moral standard than those of us on the left.
When hybrid/all electric cars are "MASS" produced the price will cost the same as any other 10K dollar automobile.
Think of the Compact Florescent Light Bulbs. Remember when no one could afford them? Now you they are as cheap if NOT cheaper then a regular incandescent bulb.
That's funny... The last batch of florescent bulbs were made by GE!!! hahahaha
Reason why none a made in the USA? The bulbs contain a small amount of mercury and it cost too much to fab a plant, and pay workers "american" salaries.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's not just about bulbs but have you seen where incandescent bulbs are made? Yeah? Really? Look again, How about those levies, ipods, iphone or "ANY" cell phone... How about the keyboard and mouse you are using? How about the monitor? I could go on and on but what point is that? When how funny your post is about the ONLY thing that is made HERE in the USA are the Toyota Prius's! Yep, that's right made right here in the good ol USA by American workers ... Sheesh......
When you ran your flags up the flag poll today witch one did you put on top, the Merken flag or the Confederate flag?
Lenin also said "all we need is love", "give peace a chance" and "why don't we do it in the road".
You say you want a Revolution?
hope4thevalley is my new hero. Funniest thing ever.
Pro American - you are wasting your typing fingers with these left wing Socialist, Marxist's. They will never change the way they think. Ol Cambridge living in San Fransicko - makes me crack up laughing. That's where he/she belongs!!! Thanks for trying Pro.... - myself, I'm sick of them all.
Qual....I hope ProMerken never stops posting. It's important to know people like that exist and how far out of whack the far right can swing. With someone like that representing them their agenda is damaged with every comment he/she makes.
Plus it's such a good time making fun of them.
Cambridge, why is it that when ProAmerican mentioned that your state was bankrupct you did not reply to the statement? Why did you not try to defend your state's economic policies?
When you run your flags up the pole (if you do at all), which one goes on top, the Mexican.
Then along comes Quail who states " Hey ProAmerican . . . the Cuban commies are coming and Obama wants to own all our companies and the gov't is going to take all our money and the gays are after you!!!! Please . . . remind us how horrible this all is!!!" It seems to me that Quail especially likes Obomination controlling industry and the gays coming. If that is what you like Quail make sure you don't squeal too loud!!!
When we talk about all the free handouts etc. I do not think any of the Conservative crowd have any problem helping out those less fortunate that are doing all they can to help themselves. What turns us off is the generation after generation that have lived on the dole as a way of life and just keep popping out more kids that they cannot support. Keep in mind that our Housing problem right now isdue to liberals pushing Fannie May and Freddie Mac to allow people who could not afford to buy houses to get 100% mortgages (no equity) and now expect tax payers to bail them out.
My question to both Cambridge and quail is, "are you comfortable with your taxes being used to bail these individuals out?" I do not know either one of you but I would be willing to bet that you both pay in more to the government then you get back at the end of the year. There are checks going to people that did not pay taxes to the government last year. That is your money, is that okay with you?
Read these words from Scottish jurist and historian Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler, penned over 200 years ago. And consider them in relation to the 'promises' being made by Barack Obama.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence; from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again into bondage."
A vote for Obama is a vote based in complacency, a vote for moving toward apathy and dependence. Make no mistake - this is the "change" that he has in view. And millions of Americans are buying the package like sheep. Never thinking about what the long-term direction is, only focused on what's in it for me in the short term. "Spreading the wealth around," as B. Hussein Obama puts it.
Remember, these words were from 200 years ago and sure are applicable today!
redvert....I'd be happy to comment on California's economy. It's the 8th largest in the world. At present we are having some serous problems with our state budget. Our Republican Governator did the same thing to the state that Dubya did to the nation. You needs two thirds to get any thing past and the Republican minority block any attempt to move forward.
You need tax revenue to run the state. Every day letters to the editorial page in the SF Chronicle are from people begging them to raise their taxes to keep schools open, police, fire protection, infrastructure and so on. Nobody likes to pay taxes but if you want to dance you have to pay the band.
Believe me Arnold is on his way out along with the other human road blocks.When Jerry Brown was the Governor the Republicans referred to him as Governor "Moonbeam". Anything to create a distraction. That guy balanced the budget 7 out of 8 years. His last year we had a med fly problem and the eradication went over budget. But just like the Republicans in DC they can only distract by talks of socialism and other scare tactics. They need to come up with a plan but i don't see that happening.The people are tired of it and are wise to it. Keep trying to BS them and watch where it gets them.
ProMerken also mentioned all the hospitals closing. I haven't heard of a one. I worked in industrial design and engineering, mostly factory, refinery type projects. The contractors I worked for have shifted a lot of their focus toward hospitals because so many are being built. I worked on so many hospitals I'm sick of them. Just one more point your boy had no idea of what he was talking about.
I don't know why ProMerken or anyone else would think because someone lives in California they are for illegal immigrants. Nothing could be further from the truth. The sooner that problem is addressed the better. I don't agree with anything I've heard from Bush, McCain or Obama on that subject. I have my own views for the fix but that's for another discussion.
My problem with people like him is that if you don't agree, your a socialist. He's a hater of anyone who disagrees. We have had thousands of "social" programs in this country for generations. He is against all of them unless he partakes. He's for closing down Youngstown State and any other state university. I hope I answered some of your questions. I'd like to know what your view is on that subject.
I could care less about Youngstown State, It is just another liberal think tank. Since you commented that it takes tax revenue to run a state I hope you are happy with the taxes you pay and will pay in the future. You never did mention what you thought of all the illegals that are loading up on your tax money. Perhaps you are happy with it. I am sure Obama is gonna fix what the last two administrations ignored.
Are the people begging to have their taxes raised or do they really want "those rich people" to pay more and as BO would say "spread the wealth"?
In defense of California I have to admit that there are two Californias, Southern California where all the leeches on society live and the rest of California where actually contributors to the economy live. Do the contributors want their taxes raised so the leeches can have more? No need to try to twist a answer on that last one.
redvert.....I did comment on illegals. I'm against them and any solution I've heard from any politician. Like I stated I have my own views on the fix. I'm sure at some time in the future Vindy will run a poll and I'll give my opinion.
I see you also are against state universities. There is an old saying "if you think education is expensive, the lack of education costs even more". Or something like that. The last thing this country needs is more uneducated stupid people. Believe me when I do a spell check before a post sometimes it looks like my screen burst into flames. I've spelled so poorly at times the spell check doesn't even know what I meant. I hope that the next generations do better but eliminating state supported education is not the answer.
You need to change your way of thinking. By assuming that because a person is for state universities that means they are for illegal immigrants or people living off the dole is ridiculous. If your capable but are not willing to work I'd be in favor of giving you nothing.
The last administration doubled the national debt. They did everything wrong. The current administration is doing what it thinks are the right things to fix it. If you don't agree with what they are doing, fine. You can offer your own plan or you can be like the Republicans that caused the problems and offer distractions and name calling. Like I said, the people are wise to that one.
Now don't be adding San Diego into the mix of fruits and nuts of "Southern Cal". It's a good military town.
I have a dislike for most universities as I do the media. What I dislike about both and I mean the Conservative as well as the Liberal side is that they cannot seem to just present all the facts and let the people form their own opinion.
I did not agree with the last administration increasing the debt anymore than I agree with Obama committing 4 times the money that Bush spent. I personally did very well in my 401K during the Clinton years. Why, because the White house and Congress were under two different parties so they had to work together. I don't feel too comfortable with the Liberals in charge of everything. Anyone that can believe that reckless spending will decrease in this term has to be dreaming.
Cambridge, you stated "If your capable but are not willing to work I'd be in favor of giving you nothing." We certainly agree on that but I am afraid that the current administration and congress does not agree with us.
Well I have said all I want to say on this subject. I am sure we will agree to disagree again on some things in the near future.
ps: Sorry to give the impression that I was including San Diego in the free ride side of California. I apologize for that.
FYI - just heard on the morning news - The CA Governator is talking about stopping all welfare in the state - how about them apples!!!! Maybe more states should think about that!!!!! Billions could be saved on taking care of the illegals everywhere.
You got that right Pro. The only thing I feel is my due is my Social Security that I have paid into my whole life. I just hope there will be some left when I can ever retire. I would have to say that Youngstown has to be the worst city in the country with generations of welfare collectors. It's disgusting and very depressing. One month in my entire life I did collect unemployment. That's it. There is always work out there if you really want it. The younger generation has many slackers with their work ethic I have found. I have had to fire many young people because they take advantage so much. Come in late, never know where they are, etc., etc. Must be from bad parenting....who knows....they think they "deserve a job"......NOT
I took the time to read each and every thread. All I can say is WOW! I certainly hope cambridge and some of the others are just goading us along and don't actually belive the dribble they were spewing."Social programs" IS NOT "socialism"Government DOES need to play a role in saftey and security of our nation, but as it takes on more and more programs it becomes a country completely run by government i.e. socialismHealthcare should be kept private sector. If the government wouldn't tax the companies into nonexistance they would be able to fund and research at a more rapid rate. Look at the significant discoveries in healthcare - all done in the private sector! People from countries with "free" healthcare come to the US for the best medical treatment. They aren't just the rich - any given day you can go thru the parking decks at Cleveland Clinic (voted one of the top hospitals in the WORLD by the way) and see dozens of Canadian plates.
Now the actual topic of the thread: The cost of the hybrid car will be considerably more than $1500 someone stated earlier. In fact they claim trucks (pickups) will be too expensive for average citizens to own - they never made that claim when they were selling $80K Hummers now did they? The 35 mpg mark will mean turbocharged 4 cyl. engines and a (big surprize here) large tax on "gas guzzlers". Hybrid power is a lot further away than the 8 year mark Obama put on it. Coincedently AFTER he leaves office.BAD IDEA.......right direction but bad timeframe.
One last thing - someone also said 5% of the world using 25% of world oil - that may be true but we (U.S.) contribute well over 50% of world food/manuf. production.
ProAmerican, Ask these " geniuses " ( they really aren't ), what is a liberal/democrat. They won't or cannot answer that question. You have great stamina to take on these people and I'd like to help you, but I got worn out trying to have them understand why I'm neo-conservative and all the the other compliments they call me and yet to have them tell me why they are liberal/democrat. Good luck.
I can't help but call the Libs "The Enemy Within" as they whine about us torturing the terrorists. Give me a break....betcha only 2% of them have been in the military and never have been to war. They have no idea what it's like to have your life on the line. How many of you whiny babies have had you or your family members life threatened. How many of you would stand up to our enemies....no, you would rather "talk about it", because you know they would never dare hurt "you"....GAG ME!!! ALL OF YOU!!! You would be hiding behind your mommies skirt.. Cambridge is probably up there in San FranFreako waving the rainbow flag........ugh....
Yep, girly men in spandex.....LOL
The price of gas would not go down if we used less due to higher mileage cars. Case in point, European cars high gas mileage and also use of mass transit. Still gas prices in Europe are stellar. If gas prices fell, the democratic government would want to tax the bigesus out of a gallon of fuel to fund their social plans.
You folks seem to really be up on the gay life style. Very informative. If your directing that to me thanks for the interest but I'm strait. Please don't confuse me with the countless Republicans in Congress that preach family values while they're chasing around little boys and undercover cops. I'm a Democrate. You know the difference, if we cheat on our wives we do it with another woman. But you guys have at it it's a free country and it's your own business.
As far as all that tuff guy talk. It's real easy hiding behind your key board. I know not a one of you would have the balls to talk to anyone in the street that way.
So have a good time. And don't forget to wipe your chin.
"...riding their little bicycle while wearing a bright multi-colored helmet, elbow and knee pads and a colorful shirts and pants. They they stop at Starbucks with their male partners for a Latte..."
"...girly men in spandex..."
"...wearing spandex and calling spaghetti, pasta..."
Get a room you two.
No way! They're manly men! The kind who live in log cabins!
I like driving my big roomy SUV made in the USA.
redvert...LOL! I've alluded to my lack of my spelling skills before. Believe me your not the first to point them out.
The thing with Barney Frank is, he's gay and he owns it. The list of Republican legislators and Evangelicals that demonise gay people while they preach family values is as long as my arm. Meanwhile their out cheating on their wives with other men. That makes them hypocrites. That's the difference between them and Barney Frank.
If it makes you feel better to pretend I'm gay go ahead. I don't care. You, ProMerken and his little friend the Roc-et are doing exactly what your Republican friends I mentioned do. I'm guessing you three are the ones with the issues.
I live where I want to live just like you live where you want to live. Why is where I live an issue to you or anybody else. I don't have a problem where anyone else lives. I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person that moved away from Youngstown. Are you obsessed with all of them or just me?
I get the impression from ProMerken who loves to run down the valley and brag about the red state he lives in that he doesn't live in Ohio. I get the same impression from his little friend the Roc-et. Why don't you get them to tell where they live and you could be obsessed with them?
Like I said, you seem obsessed. You could probably get some help for that.
Sounds like you are running out of steam cambridge. You can have the last comment if you wish. If not, that is fine. When you all were trying to gang up on ProAmerican you were having fun. Looks like it isn't as much fun anymore.
TheQuail, he wrote that last sentence as a question, not a statement.
I told you days ago, you are wasting your typing fingers arguing with these libs. They bore the H*!! out of me. Same old, same old. I can't be bothered. Don't remember who brought up Barney Frank but I just laugh my a$$ off every time I think of that poor loony tune crook. You can thank him and his buddies for the melt down....they started it. OK - I'm outta here. Have a nice day....
Quail must be deaf and dumb and blind. He says:
"As for me, I embrace some tenets of socialism but tend to reject the concept as a whole. Socialism was an interesting experiment that failed.Today's neo-cons simply use it today to try to generate fear of some mythical socialist takeover. This worked in previous decades, but is laughable in the modern era. You might as well givde it up ProMerkin. It makes you look foolish."
Your the myth and the fool Quail. Socialism is alive and thriving under Hussein and our "Not Born In USA" Pres that will soon be found out. Just a matter of time.
Quail said: By the way: I know many liberals, and not a single one of them wants "big daddy government to protect them from individual rights, personal responsibility and good old fashioned American guts!" Who are you referring to?
Are you sure you are referring to liberals, sounds more like you are describing conservatives. Remember, the president received lots of votes from those that wanted to "share the wealth". If you worked for what you have in life then some of that wealth is yours. Take a look at this video!
I believe cars that deliver higher mileage and improved gas emissions are a good idea.
cambridge, are you saying this thread has kinda got off track?
Just since the 8th post.
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