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Do you agree with President Obama’s decision to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay? 
| Choice | Percent | Visual | Votes |
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| Yes | 33% | 317 | |
| No | 66% | 631 | |
| 948 total votes | |||
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Absolutely Not.... Where on earth are we going to put the 250+ prisoners O Chosen One?
This was dumb...
Quash the lawbreakers who worked there, but don't close the prison.
Read the Geneva Conventions. These are TERRORISTS, not uniformed soldiers of a recognized nation. They DO NOT qualify for protection under the Geneva Convention. If a nation is not a signatory of the Geneva Conventions, their UNIFORMED armed forces are also not technically afforded protection either. The US in general, as well as out allies will afford any UNIFORMED soldiers of an adversary protections consistent with the Geneva Conventions. Terrorists wear no uniforms, do not fight for a nation, kill innocent people as part of their regular operations, and violate the Laws of War and the "Conventions". All US Armed Forces are ANNUALLY required to have a class or an update on the Geneva Conventions. People who run their mouths and think that these killers should be granted the protections as if they were US citizens are nuts, don't know the law, have never served in the military, and/or are totally ignorant of this subject. The sad part is that the judiciary has succumbed to international pressure from socialist and Arab nations to essentially "go easy" on the "detainees". IF these people weren't either caught in the act of terroristic actions, supporting terrorists, or providing some type of direct support and assistance, they wouldn't have been caught and moved there. The Obama administration is delusional and will suffer the consequences of their stupid actions.
They wage war again us therefore how can they not qualify? Uniforms are kinda funny to use as your biggest reason since if you recall during the Vietnam war the Vitcong did not wear uniforms. warfare has evolved both in weapons and uniforms and such. This is not like in the past where you could tell who your enemy was. So they are enemy combatants and the Geneva Convection is in effect. It was written back in the late 1940's by the way.
We should not clsoe GETMO. Obama in my opinion is an idiot who never wore a military uniform. These guys are military combatents and should be dealt with by the military tribunal. But then you have some of our Supreme Court Judges who think they have constitional rights. Wher they came up with that I don't know brcause they are not American citizens. We have people in this country that don't realize we have to protect and defend our freedom. Instead we are allowing foriegners dictate how we run our country. Its a shame that this new administration wants to turn tail and run.
To Metz87. What planet are you on. I quoted you what is written in the document. I'm not the guy who wrote the Geneva Convention provisions. It's not what you morons "think" about it, or whether or not they wear uniforms, it's the TREATY, you fool. That's the problem with you liberal fools. The VC didn't qualify for Geneva Convention protection either. The NVA did because they were identifiable as soldiers of a government. Why do you think that if one of either our soldiers, or theirs is captured behind the lines and not wearing a uniform, they can immediately be executed without any regard for international law or the Geneva Convention? DUH!!!! Get you head out of you posterior and get educated on this stuff. By the way, Metz, I served 23 years active duty as an officer in the US Army including 6 years on the White House staff in the early 90s, and I know when the Geneva Conventions were written, who signed them, and who the nations are that are signatories. They are NOT enemy combatants in the same category as personnel covered under the Conventions. THEY ARE TERRORISTS AND ARE NO LEGALLY PROTECTED OR COVERED. GET A GRIP AND GET OFF YOUR MEDS.
To Metz87. What planet are you on? I quoted you what is written in the document. I'm not the guy who wrote the Geneva Convention provisions. It's not what you morons "think" about it, or whether or not they wear uniforms, it's the TREATY, you fool. That's the problem with you liberal clowns. The VC didn't qualify for Geneva Convention protection either. The NVA did because they were identifiable as soldiers of a government. Why do you think that if one of either our soldiers, or theirs is captured behind the lines and not wearing a uniform, they can immediately be executed without any regard for international law or the Geneva Convention? DUH!!!! Get you head out of your posterior and get educated on this stuff. By the way, Metz, I served 23 years active duty as an officer in the US Army and I know when the Geneva Conventions were written, who signed them, and who the nations are that are signatories. They are NOT enemy combatants in the same category as personnel covered under the Conventions. THEY ARE TERRORISTS AND ARE NOT LEGALLY PROTECTED OR COVERED. GET A GRIP AND GET OFF YOUR MEDS. It makes not difference what past warfare was like, nor when the Geneva Conventions were signed. THey apply NOW as they did THEN.
Well sorry so that means we should just kill them or do whatever we want with them then huh?
To Metz87. What planet are you on? I quoted you what is written in the document. I'm not the guy who wrote the Geneva Convention provisions. It's not what you "think" about it, or whether or not they wear uniforms, it's the TREATY. The VC didn't qualify for Geneva Convention protection either. The NVA DID because they were identifiable as soldiers of a government. Why do you think that if one of our soldiers, or theirs is captured behind the lines and not wearing a uniform, they can immediately be executed without any regard for international law or the Geneva Convention? DUH!!!! By the way, Metz, I served 23 years active duty as an officer in the US Army and I know when the Geneva Conventions were written, who signed them, and who the nations are that are signatories. They are NOT enemy combatants in the same category as personnel covered under the Conventions. THEY ARE TERRORISTS AND ARE NOT LEGALLY PROTECTED OR COVERED. GET A GRIP AND GET OFF YOUR MEDS. It makes no difference what past warfare was like, nor when the Geneva Conventions were signed. THey apply NOW just as they have in the past. By the way, if a country is NOT a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, they don't have to abide by them when they capture OUR soldiers. Get a grip,
Oops, this mouse pad on my new laptop takes some getting used to. Sorry for the duplicate and edited posts. As to the subject above, terrorists taken prisoner on foreign soil do not have to be held or subject to inspection by the international Red Cross as provided for in the GC. However, the US, and most of our Western allies (Judeo-Christian) live up to the Conventions. This does not mean that we trash the principles of the GC. We have stated that we would treat them in accordance with the GC although they are NOT TECHNICALLY covered by the GC. As to torture, I totally support tough interrogation including waterboarding, sleep deprivation, loud noises and music, uncomfortable accmodations, etc. These techniques are FAR from true torture such as cutting off fingers, electric shock, drug injections, burning, etc. Opponents of ANY harsh measures say that you won't get usable information under harsh interrogation. This is FALSE!!!! We do NOT act just on information from one individual. Information obtained from a prisoner is compared and matched with information from other sources to determine if it can be validated. The only intelligence that is often immediately acted on is time sensitive information obtained on the battlefield while under fire. The prisoners we have at Gitmo possess strategic information about future or past terrorist plans and activites that may be useful in stopping future attacks, or capturing or killing those responsible for past attacks. To think that just by holding these people in a jail under essentially the same conditions that a drunk driver would have is utterly ridiculous. When these terrorists are tried and if found guilty, they should be executed or spend their life in a military prison such as the military prison at Ft Leavenworth,KS. By the way, the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) as approved by Congress has MORE protections for the individual than that of any US civilian court. In UCMJ, there are NO secret grand juries at all. Secret grand juries are used right here in Youngstown every week. So...people who flap their mouths about this stuff don't know what they are talking about and unfortunately lots of other equally uninformed people believe and buy into the false information.
Obama hasn't released anyone. That would be Bush that set terrorist free. Obama wants to send them to other prisons.
When Obama starts setting terrorist free then you can talk. Till then it's on Bush.
I think they should ship the prisoners all of them to Hollywood with all the actors and actresses that supported Obama. Maybe they should all be put up at the Beverly WIlshire Hotel, down by Rodeo Drive. Make sure they are treated with kid cloves and five star service. Now that would be just perfect and for cruel and unusual punishment, they should have Barry Manillow and Barbra Streisand sing to them.
I don't know if closing the prison is synonomous with releasing the prisoners. Sending terrorists to American prisons might be far worse for "detainees" than the interrogation and other "injustices" that they are subjected to at Guantanamo. I say let these terrorists be locked up next to some convicted skinhead murderer and observe what follows.
I saw on the news the Supermax Prison in Colorado may be getting some terrorists. Guess what is the only other city in America with a Supermax Prison:
That's right:
Y O U N G S T O W N, O H I O
Thanks a lot Valley Democrats for electing a man that will put TERRORISTS IN OUR OWN BACKYARD!
Who says all the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are terrorists? Many of them are people that have been arrested for just being "suspected of......", never charged with anything and detained for upwards of 6 years without access to any legal representation. Or do you just blindly believe everything you're fed? It could happen to you or I on the whim of a police officer. Just imagine - you're walking down the street one day, stopped by the cops just cos your face doesn't fit, and, for a reason no one will tell you, detained for x amount of years out of your life. If that doen't smack of Franz Kafka's "The Trial" nothing does.
Maybe we can build a new facility for them here in Youngstown at the brownfields on Poland Avenue.
Blow them all to hell and let God sort 'em out!!!
Bringing in a couple of hundred terrorists into the United States. Nice start Obama!
Here we go!! You people that voted for "change" are now getting it. Maybe Murtha can have his voters convert them into REDNECKS!!! This is only the beginning folks. Brace yourselves!!! Those of you who voted no in this poll tells me there is still promise and logic in this country
Those of the Jihadist Brotherhood at GITMO are anxiously awaiting the so called superior intellectual capacity of Obama to spring them free. After the criticism of shutting GITMO down dies off his catch and release program will have come full circle.
Hussein wants to chat with the terrorists, he thinks that will fix everything. He wants to be buddies. Isn't that special.....(gag me)
Rocco,
Nixon talked to the Chinese and the Vietnamese communists.
Reagan talked to the Soviet Communists. He also talked to the Iranian government . . . while they were holding our people hostage (he was President-elect at that time).
George Bush the first talked to Saddam Hussein, the Iranian Government, Syria, and the Palestinian Fundamentalists.
Dubya talked to North Korea and the Chinese communists.
Now, Obama says he too will talk to our enemies and you criticize him!?!?
My question to you is: Did you also ctiticize the Republican presidents? Or do you reserve that honor solely for Democratic Presidents?
Obama has never said "he will fix everything." Where do you people come up with this crap?
The Quail
Qual, you don't reason with these terrorists. If your Messiah Hussein thinks he can change the fact that they have a jihad out for us, he's dreaming. Talk, talk, see where it gets him (and the likes of you). So where IS HE GOING TO STICK the terrorist prisoners anyway. He is tying the hands of our military with the shenanigans he has come up with since taking office. Have you recently spoken to anyone of the "boots on the ground" guys about this?
You got your Socialist President, so you should be soooo happy. I was never too crazy about Bush, but in comparison to Hussein, he was a jewel.
Rocco,
Per standard neo-com SOP, you evaded my question:
"Did you also ctiticize the Republican presidents? Or do you reserve that honor solely for Democratic Presidents?"
Care to take another try?
The Quail
To answer your question, yes I have. My nephew just returned from a six month stint guarding Kirkuk. He voteed for Obama (absentee).
I say close the poky and give our military something meaning full to do!! Besides baby sitting grown adult's!! Let's release the prisoners and if they are truely guilty as u say they are you have to shoot them!! But the best part is!!!! U must send parts of the non human terrorist to his family best friends and to his home town government as u idiots say he is!!!! Why stop there didn't some one kill kennedy?? Didn't someone kill JFK??? Where does it END?? the geneva convention was created to stop attrocities!!!!! If totally ignore the paperwork we signed,, then who's going to protect our troops when they get caught and incarcerated?? And god only knows what will happen to them when there captors are not bound by any rules!!!???? Ur choice but don't u cry when ur brother or sister is rapped or tortured at a foreign poky!!
Quail(would that be Dan by any chance)...lol, you bet I criticized Bush - when he wanted amnesty for the illegals and on the bailout - i was totally against both. I sent many e-mails to him and all the rest of the bums back then. Bush turned into a liberal and was not much better than any Democrat I've ever know. So now do you feel better? Bush let us down, but what Hussein is doing now is almost treasonous. The crooked Chicago machine, buddies tied to terrorists, cabinet member who don't' know what they are doing and are tax evaders. I have no respect, none whatsoever!!!!
Clark: Mousepad? Seriously?
I'd love to get a quick survey done of the number of college degrees awarded in this forum.
How many of you have F-150s but never tow anything? How about Confederate flags waving? How many of you are scared of non-white folks? How many of you have actually know a Muslim? How many of you are afraid to learn about any beliefs other than Christianity? How many of you think God wants America to be the Greatest Country on Earth? Anyone here read books? CAN anyone here read books?
I love Youngstown.
wearepack
Count me in for two college degrees. I tow my camper with my F-150. I've taught in Saudi, Indonesia, Algeria, Azerbaijan, and Nigeria (those are dominantly Muslim countries in case you don't know).
And God doesn't take sides but has allowed this to become one of the greatest, if not the greatest country ever. And I've been, and/or lived in, quite a few.
So, if a mouse-pad slip occurs, don't denigrate the "slip-er" who at least writes intelligibly.
It is simple Obama is a idiot surrounded by idiots.
It has only been three weeks and already the posts are better than I could have possibly imagined. It is going to be a wild 8 years.
Anyone care to add some partisan rhetoric about SCHIP?
I usually do not correct people but in the case of stupidity. Obama is elected for only for years, you will have vote for him [many times] to get him in for 8 years.