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Will race impact how you vote for president in November?

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1K_Paso(29 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

I look forward to seeing an anti-corporate, pro-America team. I hope Obama picks John Edwards as vice and uses Clinton as a task leader. That would make an awesome team.

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2bbeeson64(4 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Hopefully, people of America will not use race as their reason why they vote this November for either candidate. I vote for the candidate that would best fit the needs of my children and our economy. I did not vote for Obama in the primary, I supported Mrs. Clinton. Our country needs a Democrat in office to straighten out these horrific last 8 years. I would like to see Mr. Obama select Clinton as hisrunning mate. She carries a different type of support. I do not see John Edwards as a good running mate. I do not mind the man but a lot of the country in my opinion will not support him. A couple people I have spoken to do not want Hilary because they do not want to see Bill there again. To them I say one thing.


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3K_Paso(29 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

I am confused as why people voted for Clinton. Ohio rated her better than Obama? Did people forget she signed NAFTA? Did people forget she signed for the Iraq war? Did people forget she signed for major tax breaks to companies to LEAVE America? Did people forget she was the corporate lawyer for Walmart and helped them change from selling ONLY goods made in America to goods made in China? Another George Bush but with breasts?
I don't understand how you could be so foolish.

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4JD010101(137 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Hey KPAso,

You better check again Obama's corporate donor list. He outleads Hillary and McCain in accepted donations from big business. Just like Obamans they talk and have absolutely no clue whatsoever of the facts. Look at Obama and his uncle who he thought liberated Aushwitz. He's a joke. Go back to Kenya you racially bigoted liar.

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5cambridge(3968 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

He isn't from Kenya. He is from the United States were Americans believe all men are created equal. Check yourself before you start calling someone else a bigot.

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6K_Paso(29 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Hey JD,

You are a fool. Where do you get your information? From a John McCain web site? Why not join him in Iraq for the next 100 years.

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7valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Race won't matter to me.. It's a matter of preserving capitalism or turning into the Socialist United States of America.

I will be voting McCain.

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8JD010101(137 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago


As I suspected "Typical Obamian" response. No response at all. Obama has lied about his views on NAFTA, the Canadians clued us in on that. A little fact on Iraq. The US cannot and will not pull out as we now have a responsibility for region stability. We will be there longer than we have been in N. Korea independant of who's president. And I would also like to point out how Obama is a racially bigoted liar. For starters lets read his books and his wife's thesis. Has he and Michelle flopped on their written topics? He is what I have said and hes no better than any other policitian he's a liar.

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9JD010101(137 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

One more thing if middle class thinks thay have high taxes now. Go ahead and elect Obama. He is in favor of increasing taxes. Hint, the Bush Tax cuts he wants to repeal. They affect the lower, middle and upper classes. Repeal of this tax cut will increase everyone's and I mean everyone's tax burden. How else will an ultra liberal fund all of his socialistic programs on top of giving almost 1 trillion dollars to Africa, on top of funding security in Iraq.

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10K_Paso(29 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago


Where in gods name are you getting your information? You are so far off it's sickening. Just where did the Bush tax cuts get you? It costs me WAY MORE to live today then it did during the "high tax" Clinton years. Are you really THAT dumb? Did you not tie in the "Bush tax cuts" with the increasing gas prices, food prices, everything else prices? All he did was make YOUR money available to give to HIS family and friends. It's not rocket science you idiot. Oh, and unless YOU earn over 200K a year YOUR taxes won't go up with Obama as president. Better do your homework before writing your stupid remarks.

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11cambridge(3968 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

When Clinton was president he raised taxes on corporations and the wealthy and created millions of jobs and the United States had the healthiest economy in the countries history. Bush cut taxes on corporations and the wealthy and hasn't created job one and the economy is in the toilet. When Gen. Petraeus spoke before congress he was asked how many Al-Kida were in Iraq. His answer was 2000. We have 150,000 tropes, who knows how many support personal and are spending 10 Billion a month to fight 2000. As far as the Iraq's Sunni and Shiites killing each other, that's on them. We can't stop gang bangers in this country from killing each other but some how its on us to stop people that have been doing it for thousands of years. Now we have McCain that is just itching to go to war, Bomb, Bomb, Iran. The guy is a loose cannon. Just watch his reaction when pressed on a question or point, that's when he starts turning all red and starst calling people "my friend" which is code for his head is about to explode. And in conclusion, when did it become UN American to want to spend tax payers money in America? TIME FOR A CHANGE. WWJD?

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12valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

I am a conservative that approves of Bush's job. I am not happy to see McCain as my nominee because he is not at all like George Bush, especially in regards to the environment and oil prices....

Liberal Democrats, go ahead all you want saying this is the 3rd term of Bush, but if that were the case, McCain would be polling 30-35% nationwide. He is polling 45-48% nationwide and is virtually tied in the electoral college..

Continue this 3rd term bs, it will blow up in front of you and cost you the election. Americans are not as naive as you guys are. We know John McCain is no Bush, and trust me I'd be the first Republican to admit that John McCain should not be labeled with an R, perhaps an I.

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13cambridge(3968 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

70% of Americans and 95% of the rest of the world disapprove of Bush's job. I think you might be the one that is naive. TIME FOR A CHANGE. WWJD?

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14valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

I support the candidate that will keep this nation safe. After 9/11, Bush has done a commendable job at keeping this nation safer than it ever has been.

Intelligence has been reformed, homeland security dept created, and we are killing the root of Al Queda in Iraq and Aghanistan.

I will not follow the leader, I am a leader. I stick up for my beliefs. If everyone in the world jumped off a bridge, does it make me naive to not jump off a bridge..

I don't care what others in the US or the world think, this nation is safer now than 8 years ago.

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15cambridge(3968 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Bush was the president on 9/11. He failed to keep America safe and is one of the main players responsible for the whole world being less safe. Just one of his many screw ups. TIME FOR A CHANGE. WWJD?

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16JD010101(137 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

cambridge, bush did not fail to keep the US safe it was during clinton's tenure that he had the opportunity to capture key players and did nothing about it. k pass instead of you getting irate look for information that will back your azz up. you are a typical obamian. shoot your mouth off then apologize latter and say "ooops, please forget what I said". Typical.

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17JD010101(137 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

This black man has stated that should the winds change for the worse he would choose the muslims. Hmmmm. What do you think he means by that. What if it were that we had another 9-11 and found that Muslims were behind it and their mastermind was still inside a Muslim nation. If Obama is taken literally from his book. He will do nothing but run his mouth how we brought it on ourselves that we were attacked on US soil. No, I'll vote for someone that will indead keep us safe and more importantly a Strong Nation and Super Power of the world. You dont like it. Move to somewhere like France. They talk alot.

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18JD010101(137 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

This is very good reading for all parties:

Why Bush Is Innocent and the Democrats Are Guilty


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19Tugboat(759 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

The question should be: Which candidate, regardless of race, do you think will do the most for the Mahoning Valley?

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20apollo(1227 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

True Tugboat.

The tax increases that Obama is proposing will actually decrease taxes for most middle class and below folks and only increase taxes on the wealthy. Why should Warren Buffett pay 15% on capital gains when his cleaning lady pays more? Even Buffett has said that taxes need raised on the wealthy. Kind of refreshing to hear the truth from a rich person isn't it?

As for our presence in Iraq, who was that I saw meeting yesterday but Al Maliki of Iraq and Ahmadinajad from Iran. Hmmm, so we are protecting Iraq while Iraq's president is meeting with our supposed arch enemy? That's some mighty stupid foreign policy on the part of the United States. Not to mention the failed war and the cost of it too. Those dollars sure could educate a few people, perhaps provide some health care, build some roads and bridges, and provide some veterans benefits that McCain is against.

Valleyred is either too stupid to see the truth, or is a rich person whose sole function in life is to avoid taxes. I can't see one reason to vote for McCain. Using the unproveable theory that we are safer under a Republican than a Democrat is to throw all history out the window. Then to blame Clinton for 9/11 is hilarious. I seem to remember Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam back in the 80's as we were his friend even as he killed thousands of Kurds. Funny, how it didn't matter then and suddenly when you want to go to war, it becomes important. But that is politics in a world with stupid voters.

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21bbeeson64(4 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

First of all it was my opinion and I apologize for the major debate. I am happy that we can discuss politics and see both sides of the views. I do have to say that Even though Bush took care of Al Qaeda and fought his daddies war WE also have lost many children in this mission. We have our own problems in America, Gang Violence, Famin, Joblessness, Uninsured children, Gas prices that are soaring daily, which has caused me to cancel my vacation, which means less spending and less spending means bad economy for tourism.

Was it true that Obama would like to be sworn in on the Koran.... something that was neve done in the history of Presidential Inaugurations....Is it rue he doesn't want to wear the Flag pin because it reminds us of what our country went through on 9/11. A flag stands for freedom and not death and disaster.... and so what if it reminds him of that isn't that what this great war Bush approves of is for???????????

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22cambridge(3968 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Bush didn't take care of AlQaeda. When our soldiers had him trapped in Bora Bora your boy Bush "cut and run" to let the local warlords capture him for "political reasons." The same warlords that had working with Al Qaeda for years.And they let him walk. Bush will go down in history as the worst and for sure the dumbest president ever. He couldn't count his balls and get the same number twice.

As far as the questions or the things your making up about Obama, I suggest you go to his web site and to John Mccain's web site and go to the issues tab and see what they propose. I think you might find it interesting that Obama has proposals for issues that McCain doesn't even mention. TIME FOR A CHANGE. WWJD?

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23mnhoosier(5 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

There is a candidate who admits he's not good with economics. He is offering a tax proposal that would give the five largest oil companies $3.8 billion in tax breaks and he's opposed to increased tax to the richest in Americans. How does that help us, the average Americans? How does a tax break for the oil companies help with our commutes to work or vacation (if we even get one)!

Oil is $66/barrel in Saudi Arabia & $130 at least in US.
1 million homes are in FORECLOSURE!
1 trillion dollar reduction in Americans net worth!
The dollar is tanking big time overseas. Try traveling in Europe or Canada.
The US is 9 trillion dollars in debt.
A contributing factor to high gas prices are Arabic tribes blowing up oil pipelines.

Phil Gramm = lobbyist (paid by) UBS (Swedish bank) to kill/squash any bills created to help distressed homeowners from having their homes foreclosed.
"Winning the war" and more troops are committing sucide since the Gulf War.
"The Sliding Scale" GI Bill chosen over "Webb's Bill" requires vets to complete a 12 year tour before receiving a $2000/mo for each additional month served and $1500 to current active duty soldiers.
Squashing of Webb's Bill which provides GI Bill benefits after 3 year tour.
Cost difference in starting Webb's Bill vs The Sliding Scale Bill is $30 million total (Iraq war costs $720 million/day).
Dept of Veteran's affairs discourages use of mental health diagnoses of PTSD and use of diaganoses like adjustment disorder in order to deny disability beneits to vets from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bin Laden and the Bush family have a very lengthy and intertwined history. http://www.williambowles.info/guests/... Not sure of the candidate or if this info is factual (search for yourself).

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24apollo(1227 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Hey Quail, thanks for the kudos but there was no inaccuracy in my post. Bill Gates who is retired but still earns hundreds of millions of dollars in capital gains on his Microsoft stock, pays 15% on his total income. (it's all capital gains) Yet his cleaning lady not only pays 15% on her capital gains, but pays income tax, social security tax, and medicare tax for a grand total of more than 15%. Does anyone think that is fair?

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25Eric(205 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

You're wrong Apollo. For the tax years 2008-2010, taxpayers in the 10% and 15% tax brackets are exempt from paying tax on capital gains. Last year the taxpayers in these same brackets paid 5%. So, unless Mr. Gates' cleaning lady is very well paid, Mr. Gates is paying a higher percentage of tax on his capital gains than his cleaning lady is. Granted, his cleaning lady must pay income tax on her earnings, but so did Bill when he was working (in much higher brackets, I might add).

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26valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

You guys always vote Democrat in this area, and they do NOTHING for you guys. This area has been in a recession because of the Democratic Leadership for 50 years, but you guys don't seem to mind, and you continue to vote the D.

I will not tolerate it. I will vote for the true change, and that change is the Republican Party. Why not give them 5 years to run this area and see if they can bring us out of the recession the Democrats have kept us in.

Bush is not to blame for 9/11. The gov't did not have the stringent security standards in place like we do now. And if I do recall, a man my the name of Bill Clinton had 2 opportunities to kill Osama bin Laden, but did not do it. Our intelligence man in Afghanistan was killed soon after and that is a major reason why we have not seized him today. If Clinton did some due diligence, 9/11 may not have occured..

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27apollo(1227 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Eric, you are still not getting the argument. Bill Gates cleaning lady is paying a higher percentage of her income in taxes than Gates. I never said her capital gains tax was the same. If you factor in her income tax, medicare tax, capital gains tax, and social security tax, her percentage is higher. Most of the income of these wealthy people is capital gains and therefore it shouldn't be 15%. Capital gains should be taxed at a higher rate since it is income not derived from work. It should be at least 25%.

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28cambridge(3968 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

I agree that Clinton had two opportunities to kill bi Laden and failed. That's the difference between him and Bush. Clinton tried and Bush didn't. For 9 months before 9/11 Bush was warned about bin Ladens plans to attack America and he couldn't figure out why Clinton was so obsessed with him.

The day after 9/11 no Americans were permitted to fly in this country. Only members of bin Ladens family were permitted to fly.

We had bin Laden trapped in Bora Bora and Bush "cut and run" and let him get away.

Do you think the long history and business relationship between the Bush and bin Laden families had anything to do with any of this?


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29Eric(205 comments)posted 7 years, 11 months ago

Apollo, I understand what you are saying, but I think you are missing the point about capital gains tax. I don't see where you got the information that "Bill Gates who is retired but still earns hundreds of millions of dollars in capital gains on his Microsoft stock." The appreciation is capital gains. In order for Bill to benefit from the lower tax on capital gains he needs to keep his Microsoft stock for at least a year before selling it. Anything sold in less than a year is taxed at ordinary income tax rates. If you are talking about the selling of stock options, that is a different matter. I doubt he gets "hundreds of millions of dollars" in just capital gains from solely selling his Microsoft stock.

Second, you can't say that his cleaning lady is paying more tax as a percentage of income. Social Security is taxed at 6.2% and Medicare 1.45%. His cleaning lady would probably be exempt from capital gains tax, assuming she would fall in the 15% tax bracket (makes under $32,550 for a single person). Assuming she made $32,550 in earned income from cleaning his house (a pretty healthy income for a cleaning person) and were single with one exemption, her taxable income would be $23,600. If you add the Medicare tax, Social Security tax, and applicable federal income tax, she would have an effective tax rate of around 17% (I'm ignoring any state/local tax for this purpose). Not much difference here. Furthermore, if we assume she made some of her income from tax exempt dividends and capital gains instead of purely earned income, her effective income tax rate would be less than Mr. Gates'.

My point of all this is that people who make more money pay a higher percentage of their income to tax. If you don't believe me just pull up the IRS tax table. In order to have stock to sell, one must first make money to purchase the stock. That is generally done from working (and the corresponding payment of federal and FICA tax). Bill paid his tax before he retired (at a higher percentage I might add), so why shouldn't his cleaning lady have to pay hers until she retires?

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