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Some tips regarding sales-tax issue



Published: Sun, May 11, 2014 @ 12:00 a.m.

By Todd Franko (Contact)


The Mahoning County sales tax was not rejected Tuesday, and $15 million in county revenues did not disappear.

In establishing those facts, therein lie the first pieces of the puzzle that county commissioners need to piece together in ensuring the county secures its $15 million next fall at the voting booth.

One piece of that puzzle is to not continually blame The Vindicator for reporting on the county’s poor spending habits.

A month ago, commissioner Dave Ditzler blamed The Vindicator for poor reporting on county spending. On Wednesday, he did so again the day after the permanent-proposal measure failed by 519 votes.

Repeating what did not work before is either stubbornness, arrogance or ignorance.

So let me help with a few tips to vary the thinking as commissioners ponder a new tax issue:

1) If you are mad at someone, take it to them, not to other media.

Ditzler has lashed out at us three times in five weeks. He was first part of a parade of county officials who took more than 30 minutes of county business time to yell at us. He then ran to 570 AM and did so again this week when he made it to the Ron Verb show.

We have Vindy Talk Radio — a great vehicle to talk in-depth on issues. Judge Krichbaum is fond of the format, as is Mayor McNally. Others in government leadership use it.

We twice made room for Ditzler to address our reporting directly, and twice he declined.

Avoiding us is not the best leadership. Running to another media outlet is, well, even less leaderlike, and citizens so easily keep score of such gimmicks.

2) Be honest with taxpayers. Here’s what Ditzler said on Verb’s show:

“I thought the misinformation that was put out there in The Vindicator was the prime source of reason why [people opposed it]. They put out there, you know, 10, 20, 30 percent raises. No general-fund employees got raises like that. I think that was the main reason why it went down in defeat.”

He says that, and sitting right next to him at meetings is Commissioner Righetti, who took a 10-percent pay hike over her 2012 wages. I can’t begin to understand more of his reasoning if even his most simple observation is wrong or spun.

3) Stop assuming taxpayers do not get it, and instead, listen to them.

Ditzler made various claims on Verb’s show, including one where Verb politely tried to convince him of another side.

Said Ditzler: “I really don’t think the permanent basis was a factor for its defeat.”

Verb tried a couple of ways to say that the feedback he got was that a five-year sales tax was fine, but permanent wasn’t. And Ditzler dismissed him.

Further, in addition to blaming us and dismissing Verb, Ditzler also attributed lost votes to the failed Austintown school bond issue, and to Republicans in the rural townships, and that citizens want to earmark specific taxes and not general.

That’s blaming a lot of disparate things. It comes off knee-jerky.

However, what comes off worse is to assume taxpayers just need to be taught more about how county spending works.

Ditzler told Verb: “We had people upset about potholes. They didn’t have an idea that roads are [funded] through the engineer’s office and through gas taxes.”

He offered that as an example of how people don’t know how county spending works, but earlier had lamented that taxpayers rejected a tax they’ve approved for 30 years.

You really want to believe people don’t know of something they’ve voted on for 30 years?

4) That leads me to the tip I shared with Sheriff Greene, who has the strongest credibility right now and no doubt will be the pretty face used to pass the next sales-tax measure.

He sent me a note Wednesday sarcastically “congratulating” me on the defeat. It was a polite poke, and we’re good like that in our chats. He said as much a month ago after our much-maligned story.

I repeated to him Wednesday my month-ago suggestion:

Stop wasting time trying to blame the Vindy and instead get the county leaders in line. You can suggest things like our reporting is misleading or rural folks hate taxes or people don’t understand a tax (they have voted on for 30 years).

None of it reflects taking measure of county actions.

Until that is done, such votes are always vulnerable to eyes like ours or the citizen complaints that initially contributed to our reporting.

In the potholes example, Ditzler offered to Verb lies another key puzzle piece:

Those taxpayers who complained about the potholes did not elect three people to be “county commissioners of the sales tax.”

They elected them to be “county commissioners.” Period.

If you are to ask for more money, be sure current funds are being spent wisely regardless of what tax pocket it comes out of.

If you can lash out at the Vindy on local radio or at county meetings, then you certainly can muster the courage to lash out at your peer officials who are spending irresponsibly.

Such leadership might even be found to be inspiring and endearing.

To simply dismiss it as “they’re misleading” and “they don’t know how the county works” is a mindset that will lead to further failures.

The plan from here should be:

Put only a five-year renewal on the ballot. It’s what people have voted on for 30 years and what Verb even said his friends would approve.

Do not put a public-safety issue on a ballot until there’s at least one year of solid shaping, crunching and selling such numbers. To do so this fall will not convince taxpayers that true homework was done.

And please, get ALL county services and leaders in line.

Sticking with the potholes episode — potholes are easy to fix, and that’s what citizens want. Western Reserve Road is still a wreck in places, as is North Lima Road. Pile on more county resources than just Greene’s inmates to rise up to this challenge.

That is a much better story to tell in voting season than “those are not sales- tax dollars you’re complaining about, those are taxes from ...”

Todd Franko is editor of The Vindicator. He likes e-mails about stories and our newspaper. E-mail him at tfranko@vindy.com. He blogs, too, on vindy.com. Tweet him, too, at @tfranko.


Comments

1handymandave(456 comments)posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Way to go Todd. Glad someone has the brains and guts to bring forth the reality of the story. You explained it in terms that even the county officials should have no trouble understanding.

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2questionreality(228 comments)posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

"We have Vindy Talk Radio — a great vehicle to talk in-depth on issues. Judge Krichbaum is fond of the format, as is Mayor McNally. Others in government leadership use it."

It's a scream that the guy that anchors VTR resides in a house that is two years behind in paying the county property tax and owes over $5k on another. Until that is fixed, government leadership should not be aggrandizing this show.

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3stonehead(25 comments)posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

POT HOLES???? THE MONEY FOR POT HOLES DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE ENGINEERS OFFICE. 1/2 THE CRAP YOU WRITE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE TRUTH.. POTHOLES. YOU NEVER SAID A THING ABOUT POT HOLES BE FOR THE ELECTION.

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4listener(107 comments)posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

No Todd the problem begins with the fact that David Ditzler is a commissioner in the first place, or is he?

The Vindicator accepted the vote count by the corrupt Board of Elections without one question. The question should have been about how in a 6 man race, did Ditzler win with over 51% of the vote with two other viable candidates. The investigators don't think this makes sense but you guys said and did nothing so Ditzler wins and we all lose.

What were you saying about the tax Todd?

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5Chessiedad(183 comments)posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Mr. Franko, I often don't agree with your take on things, but I must say you made a comment here that really struck a chord with me. "Sheriff Greene, who has the strongest credibility.....". That is probably one of the most accurate and enlightening things I have ever heard you say. Jerry Greene is, in my opinion, probably the most honest, knowledgeable, and respectable person to hold the position of Sheriff in Mahoning County, in the last 100 years! Since he has taken office, he has turned around the reputation of an agency, that had often given the residents of the County the impression that the "foxes were guarding the henhouse". And yes, he has had a few bumps in his tenure, but he has dealt with them in a swift, just and transparent manner, bringing more credibility to his leadership.

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6Knightcap(693 comments)posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Tip before the next sales tax vote. Have all employed at the county start paying 25% toward their health-care benefits. With the 10 to 40% insane raises doled out they can afford it.

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72muchtax(312 comments)posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Hefty raises, unions fight inmate help! Golden benefits, drop program, 30 yrs and out and many many people on disability. Vote NO on all tax increases! Ditzler go back to AUSTINTOWN !

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8DwightK(1250 comments)posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago

Mr. Franko,

My only objection to the Vindy's reporting on the raises was that all the items were lumped together. The majority of the raises given were for promotions. I don't understand why those included in the report. Of course a promotion means a raise. Why else would anyone take on more responsibility if not for a higher salary? To this reader, it seems like those raises were lumped into the report to boost the numbers and make for a more sensational headline. I doubt very many readers drew the distinction between raises for a promotion and those the Vindy was calling out for being egregious.

It would be ridiculous to think inaccurate reporting like this didn't sway voters.

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9gdog4766(1466 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

It's sad when a voter considers a Sherriff who helped a now indicted pal out of a dui to be the most honest man in the room. He may not have given him the ride home but he didn't fire the one who did. He's basically condoning his actions.

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10YtownParent(294 comments)posted 3 months ago

Actually @gdog if Sheriff Greene hadn't turned it over to an independent invistagator none of us would know about the incident. A drunk county official would have gotten of without even a slap on the wrist. Greene did all he could do by law and reason. If Greene had fired Assion on his own, Assion could have gone to court or filed a grievance claiming his firing was politically motivated. Assion most likely would have been given the position back, with full back pay and all step increases. Greene looked out for the county wallet on that issue too.

Too the long list of foolish spending you should add Oakhill/JFS Garland office. Spending over the market value for rent & repairs on a dilapidated building was unwise. Then spending an insane amount to buy and restore another crumbling structure was just as dumb. They should have been smart and taken Cafaro to court, forced repairs, and recouped costs.

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