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Valley ranks near bottom in American quality-of-life index



Published: Wed, March 26, 2014 @ 12:01 a.m.

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Jerry Schromofsky and his dog, Missy, walk in Mill Creek Park on Tuesday. Schromofsky, who lives in Youngstown, said he walks for exercise several days a week and also regularly works out at a gym.

By EMMALEE C. TORISK

and JEANNE STARMACK

news@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

When stacked up against other U.S. metropolitan areas, the Mahoning Valley ranks close to the bottom in terms of overall well-being.

The Youngstown-Warren-Boardman area is 175th out of 189 communities surveyed for the 2013 Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index, which serves as “a barometer of Americans’ perceptions of their well-being,” according to the “State of American Well-Being” report.

The Provo-Orem, Utah, area ranks first. Last is the Huntington-Ashland metropolitian area, which includes counties in West Virginia, Kentucky and Ohio.

In addition, Ohio ranks 46th out of 50 states in overall well-being.

Well-being “is the combination of many aspects of life” and “is about the interaction between physical health, finding your daily work and experiences fulfilling, having strong social

relationships and access to the resources you need, feeling financially secure and being part of true community,” explains author Tom Rath in the report’s foreward.

As such, six domains of well-being make up the Well-Being Index: life evaluation, emotional health, work environment, physical health, healthy behaviors and basic access.

Youngstown-Warren-Boardman was at the lower end of the scale of residents who exercise three to seven times a week.

The survey shows that 48 percent of people here do. The highest percentage is Anchorage, Alaska, at 62.3 percent; the lowest is Lafayette, La., at 43.4 percent.

In the report’s introduction, James E. Pope, senior vice president and chief science officer for Healthways, and Jim Harter, chief scientist on workplace management and well-being for Gallup, note that information about the country’s current state of well-being “gives employers, health plans, heath systems, governments and communities unmatched insight into the state of their populations.” It also provides them with the “opportunity to develop and prioritize informed strategies to help their organizations and communities thrive and grow.”

After all, as Pope and Harter write, people with higher levels of well-being cost less and perform better — which is advantageous to communities and countries, employers, health plans and health systems, and individuals alike.

Youngstown Mayor John McNally said Tuesday that he believes the area has a strong sense of community.

“The health of our community is something we have to look at,” he said. McNally said there are “food deserts” in Youngstown, or areas that aren’t served by a grocery store.

A high child-mortality rate is an issue, too, he said. Pregnant women need better access to health care and access to better nutrition, he said.

April is Minority Health Month, and the Youngstown City Health District is participating in a national “Let’s Move” campaign, he said. The district will kick off the campaign Saturday from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. at the Arlington Heights Recreation Center, 801 Park Ave.

Featured will be speakers on preventive health practices, fitness demonstrations and health screenings by the Black Nurses Association.

McNally said there are definitely people in the community who are “challenged” emotionally and financially.

“Overall, I think we have some work to do,” he said.

Tom Humphries, president and CEO of the Youngstown/Warren Regional Chamber, noted Tuesday that though he hadn’t closely examined the Well-Being Index yet, he and others at the chamber do take such surveys and reports seriously.

“It may be a small sample and an interpretation of an opinion, but it still gives value to us,” Humphries said. “If people interpret our region to be that, we want to change that opinion.”

He added that the chamber first will evaluate the Well-Being Index and identify what it suggests the area’s strengths and weaknesses to be. The next step after this is to share those findings with the chamber’s membership base and with its publications.

In addition, the Valley once used to be near the bottom in a number of surveys, Humphries said, but has ascended to the top 10 in many of them.

“Truthfully, we’ve impacted those surveys by paying attention to them,” he added. “It can be reversed.”


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1youngstown615(98 comments)posted 8 months ago

Boardman Jeff......Did you take your medication today ??

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2UticaShale(854 comments)posted 8 months ago

Solution:

Workcamps and Orphanages.

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3dontbeafool(1031 comments)posted 8 months ago

I wonder if Kasich will have his buddy include "Ohio ranks 46th out of 50 states in overall well-being" in our state's promotional video seeking to bring out of staters to Ohio?

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4billdog1(1553 comments)posted 8 months ago

How amazing that so many can wonder so far from the facts of this report. For starters it is a survey based on the selected few who took the time to participate in the survey. I say if you don't like it here, leave. Nobody will stop you.

I've have lived here for over 50 years and love it here. I've had many of family and friends leave and most return within a couple of years. If you enjoy the outdoors we have a great area. Fishing, skiing, hunting, camping, hiking, etc...

This has nothing to do with religion, dogma, political ideology, or most of the other nonsense spewed above. Again, if you don't like it here, feel you are not allowed to live up to your potential, please, leave. You will give this area a better perspective and many currently around you a better perspective as well.

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5questionreality(324 comments)posted 8 months ago

There are several ways to step out of the atheist closet. The example provided in the first comment would be the worst example.

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6DwightK(1287 comments)posted 8 months ago

Living in the Valley is like living anywhere else, it's what you make of it that determines how good your life is. If you want to be successful here, you can be. Opportunity is everywhere. If you want to say things are too hard and offer up excuses for why you can't succeed, you can do that too.

The biggest thing wrong with this area is the attitude of those who live here.

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7Silence_Dogood(1371 comments)posted 8 months ago

Boardman Jeff is just angry because his mom stopped buying hot pockets and she refuses to redecorate the basement (better known as the command center).

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8walter_sobchak(1949 comments)posted 8 months ago

DwightK,
I have to agree with you 100%. The only thing I will add, however, that from mid-November to about mid-March, it is too cloudy. Not necessarily rainy or snowy, but minimal sunshine. The sun makes you feel better and gives you a happier disposition, as is evidenced by the angry people on this comment board.

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9redvert(2090 comments)posted 8 months ago

Silence, I think you are reading poor little Jeffie pretty well. Of course in his defense, it is just wrong that mommie will not redecorate the command center. As for the hot pockets, he was getting too fat anyways!!!

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10redvert(2090 comments)posted 8 months ago

The results of surveys like this one are based on one of two things, First would be the "data set" and then of course the old standby of "It's Bush's fault"

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11city_resident(513 comments)posted 8 months ago

Seems to me that Boardman_Jeff needs to do a better job of choosing who he spends his time with. Maybe he'd be happier?

I agree with Dwight and Walter, If you're unhappy, it's up to you to change that.

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12fudputer(46 comments)posted 8 months ago

BJ-its too bad that you see us 70 yr old people as racists-we're slowly dying out as it should be-- this is true!!! your generation is now begining to take over--LIKE WHAT YOU SEE !!!!!!!!

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13walter_sobchak(1949 comments)posted 8 months ago

Boardman_Jeff,
You hit most of the scum we want out of the valley but what about the Irish, especially the smelly shanty Irish? I mean, my wife is part Irish and I want to keep her here. After all, she bathes!

As far as your knowledge of the US Constitution, I have read it many times and NOWHERE do I read that it "strictly forbids any religion from affecting the laws of our country"! Legislators may use whatever basis they deem appropriate in crafting laws and the President uses whatever reasons he would sign or veto a bill, including because it is Wednesday. In fact, the First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". So, it explicitly prohibits laws being enacted that would prevent a legislator from using their religion as a basis for their law-making decisions.

Oops, it is lunchtime! I just hope there is a seat at the lunch counter and I don't have to give the stink-eye to a black man to move for me.

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14DwightK(1287 comments)posted 8 months ago

Well Walter, we can't do anything about the weather. Think of it as just one more challenge to overcome.

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1576Ytown(1262 comments)posted 8 months ago

BMJ: " I've lived in different parts of the USA such as Chicago, San Francisco, Boston, and Atlanta" I suppose you were not happy living in those cities either since you're back in Boardman.

So BMJ, if you are so miserable here, move on and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out in your mission to find the perfect place to live.

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16tired56(12 comments)posted 8 months ago

It's hard to stay positive and live a happy, healthy lifestyle when so many places in this community, from business, government agencies, and nonprofits are only looking out for themselves. They don't care about anyone else. They think everyone should make poverty-level wages so that we all work three or four jobs just to pay the bills. Guess what people - $10 -$15/hr with a college degree and/or a skilled trades is not a good-livable wage. No wonder people aren't happy. Youngstown is terrible when it comes to how companies treat people and that trickles down to their families and home life. This is not 1950 anymore. Gas is $3.75 a gallon. It costs at least $50 to buy basic groceries for a few days. How can people live on what everyone wants to pay here. It's insane.

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17kurtw(914 comments)posted 8 months ago

"racist Tea Party scumbags who ruined my hometown?"

Jeff, could you elaborate a bit on that. I don't understand your meaning and I'd love to be enlightened.

Thanks!

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18redeye1(4621 comments)posted 8 months ago

BJ The scumbags of welfare have ruin this valley. You know the ones who are given everything for free from the liberturds. If you were any kind of leader you would be out and about checking on the stats of how many different races are on welfare. then check the percentage of each group. My guess would be the blacks are leading ,with Latinos coming in second with whites tied with them. So get off you computer and go out and help your bro's get a job.

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19lumper(284 comments)posted 8 months ago

youngstown was rated as a great place to raise a family because housing is so cheap. housing is so cheap because no one wants to live here. the politics are extremely corrupt, the entitlement segment of society dominates and the weather sucks. thank goodness for concealed/carry.

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20jeratboy(127 comments)posted 8 months ago

I left the area and am so glad I did. The sun shines almost everyday here. The poster that said most who leave come back is wrong. The population drop show that. I live in an area that NEVER had a steel mill, a car plant, or much manufacturing of any kind but we keep growing and growing. A service economy works but Y-Town people don't want to listen. We have hardly any unions. People live together by class not by race .Poor Hispanics, whites and blacks together. Rich whites Hispanics ,and blacks live together. IT WORKS! We also have liberal gun laws as if you want to carry you carry. No permit required. Your 1 party rule is what killed the Valley.

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21kurtw(914 comments)posted 8 months ago

The Chernobyl plant failed because the Soviet Centralized Economy at that time was in "free fall" and they weren't able to maintain it- also, totalitarian regimes don't normally create or tolerate environmental watchdog agencies and groups of the kind we, thankfully, have- therefore, there was no oversight that most likely would have prevented the accident. Furthermore, the design of the Chernobyl Plant was faulty from the beginning- so you had a badly designed plant, poorly maintained with no regulatory oversight. A "recipe for disaster" wouldn't you say and to use that incident as an excuse to dismiss or condemn the entire Nuclear Power Industry is illogical. You have to look at places- France for instance- where nuclear power has been used safely for decades- if you want to be fair, that is-"IF" you want to be fair (big "IF" reading your comments!).

Note: The failed "Three Mile Island" reactor was of the generation, roughly, as the one at Chernobyl- an early primitive design- again you have to look at the track record of the French in their Nuclear Industry- safely supplying roughly 70 per cent of their electric power- and preventing millions upon millions of tons of polluting coal from being burned yearly.

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2276Ytown(1262 comments)posted 8 months ago

BJ: "I'm a fighter and a leader. Join my cause or get out of the way"

I think you're nothing but a big bully with little man syndrome.

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23kk80586(227 comments)posted 8 months ago

" "Make no law establishing a religion" is lawyer-speak for dummies like you that don't understand the concept of "separation of church and state" "
Actually, if you had a clear understanding of the Constitution you would know that "Congress shall make no law establishing a religion" means EXACTLY that congress is forbidden from making any law that some religion is supreme or in control (i.e Church of England).
I don't know why you people find it so hard to understand the Constitution. You pretend it is all written in "lawyer-speak" and only lawyers (and you) can interpret it's meaning.
I've read through the Constitution a few times in my life and not too long ago I read through it carefully, specifically looking for something difficult to understand because it was written in "lawyer-speak". My finding was that it is written in plain old everyday english and that anyone with an IQ that is one point higher than yours can understand.
There is no need to "interpret" the Constitution... just read it. If you need help with the longer words let us know, we can help.
"...don't understand the concept of "separation of church and state" "
You're right on that...it IS a "concept", does not appear anywhere in the 1st Amendment or even in the whole Constitution, but don't let that stop you. Do some research on your little "concept"... see how it came about only after the Founders were long dead. If you understood the founding of this Country you would easily understand the Constitution.

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24lumper(284 comments)posted 8 months ago

the look in that poor dog's eyes says it all, being forced to walk with a guy dressed like that !! poor puppy !

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25rickking123(312 comments)posted 8 months ago

BJ is always amusing to read.

He goes to show what happens when you do too many 37.5 oz curls from the liquor store.

You post gibberish filled with hate.

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26buckeye17(1 comment)posted 8 months ago

The last time I checked it's the dumbocratic that run this valley not the uneducated white tea party.

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27walter_sobchak(1949 comments)posted 8 months ago

kd80586,
Intelligent people understand that the First Amendment guarantee of religious freedom had to do with the Founders reluctance to provide a state church with any power over individuals or the government. That is why I stated previously that any such law to place a limit on an individual on any matter, including governmental, that uses religion as its basis would be unlawful. Most people believe that the Bill of Rights GIVES the citizen rights, but that is not what it does. It is a limitation on the government's power to take the GOD-GIVEN rights away! As the Declaration so elegantly states, all men are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." RIGHTS EMANATE FROM GOD ALMIGHTY!

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28rickking123(312 comments)posted 8 months ago

BJ
Tell us what happens if you're wrong and there is an Almighty God that gets to judge you?

You think because you don't believe in God that therefore God doesn't exist?

Now that's funny.

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29tired56(12 comments)posted 8 months ago

Stateline-

Why do you think that earning a living way translates to being owned anything. It doesn't have anything to do with me personally. If a job pays a particular salary or amount, it doesn't matter if I have it or someone else - that's what the job pays. I personally make well over that, however, I know many people that do not because that is what these organizations think is a fair and reasonable pay for this area. It's the mentality of people here. They can't get past 1950 and wake up to the fact that the cost of living has increased substantially. Furthermore, I also include people with skilled trades, not just college graduates in that category.

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30walter_sobchak(1949 comments)posted 8 months ago

Sorry, BJ
It is not me speaking but that rascal Taliban thug Thomas Jefferson that wrote the Declaration and the rest of the 55 white male WASP landowners that signed it! As taken directly from the document:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Yes, in their minds, the Creator was the God of Abraham, the God of Moses, the Father of Jesus Christ, the savior of the human race. These 56 men put everything they had personally and financially on the line so that you have the freedom to question their character. Many paid the ultimate price of giving their lives to this ideal. All paid some price - lost spouses and children due to the civil war, many lost their land and possessions, some died penniless. This is what I teach young men in the Boy Scouts of America when I work with them on citizenship merit badges; the sacrifice of the Founders all on the belief of self-rule with a duty to God, self and country. And, to teach these young men to take a stake in our society and have active roles in their communitites to make it a better place to live because it is populated by some people that have designs on ending this great country as we know it. Lunchtime! Time to go support Chick-fil-A and load up on some LDL's and HDL's.

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31NBees(48 comments)posted 8 months ago

Does anyone know or heard of anyone who knows someone who actually participated in this survey? Perception of well being, that's like asking people if the glass is half empty or half full when some of us want to know what is in the glass, is the liquid tinted or tainted, was the glass imported, how was it made, what does it look like, and if we set that glass on the window sill, will sunlight will dance pretty patterns across our floors. This valley is too diverse to take the opinions of a few and project it on us all.

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32rickking123(312 comments)posted 8 months ago

BJ
Answer the question.

If I'm wrong then nothing will happen to me because I'll just be dead.

If you're wrong and there is a God what happens to you?

Maybe you should think about that instead of posting hate filled rants.

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33AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 8 months ago

Just finding yesterday's headlined article interesting. "Valley Ranks Near Bottom In American Quality- Of -Life Index, published :3/26/14. Compared with today's headlined article, Austintown's Racino Construction On Track, published: 3/27/14.

One day the Valley is sunk on a survey regarding Quality-Of-Life ...the Next Day we see article to a Racino opening!

as stated:Well-being “is the combination of many aspects of life” and “is about the interaction between physical health, finding your daily work and experiences fulfilling, having strong social relationships and access to the resources you need, feeling financially secure and being part of true community,” As such, six domains of well-being make up the Well-Being Index: life evaluation, emotional health, work environment, physical health, healthy behaviors and basic access.

Any extra thoughts?

Maybe the essence of "quality of life" gets a boost in a single day! We shall see in the fall when Valley Racino opens and a new survey re-evaluates quality- of- life for the valley again!

ahhh, what a concept!

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34lumper(284 comments)posted 8 months ago

i still feel sorry for the puppy and i know that mutt is smarter than most people posting on this site.

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35southsidedave(4805 comments)posted 7 months, 4 weeks ago

I take short breaks from posting; yet, each time I return there is hatred and fear of other groups of people.

This discussion has turned into racial hatred, WHY? BTW, the article in question has nothing to do with the Constitution.

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36lajoci(329 comments)posted 7 months, 4 weeks ago

"When stacked up against other U.S. metropolitan areas, the Mahoning Valley ranks close to the bottom in terms of overall well-being."

AND horizontal fracking and injection wells will further negatively impact the quality of life in the region.

Better git out now, while the gittens gooooood.

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37HSG(137 comments)posted 7 months, 4 weeks ago

In response to any criticism of this community,Someone always says .but we have mill creek park! With fracking going on beneath it, of course.

People around here seem quite satisfied with low wages, low rents, short commutes and drive times, and easy access to groceries, shopping, etc. In many ways, in modern times, this is a really great place to live if you have a good (paying) job. If not, then not so much.

One of the themes here has to do with the chaos created by having one -party government when that party cannot handle the responsibility. Very valid points. Republicans are not the alternative.

Obesity rates here are staggering. Almost like Tennessee or Mississippi.

Let's form a symposium on this and make some recommendations. First meeting is at breakfast place with eggs bacon toast sausage and potatoes...and NO FRUIT, please. See you there.

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38Notorious_Pig(115 comments)posted 7 months, 3 weeks ago

This is hilarious. It's simple....we only live once. I don't see the argument for living here unless we HAVE to live here (jobs, children, etc) If I were single and child-less, I would not be in Youngstown at all. It's crap here. Nothing good ever happens here. The roads stink, the schools stink, the weather stinks, the politicians stink, the restaurants stink, the job market stinks, the quality of life stinks...just about everything stinks. So yes, our ranking is justifiable. If you can move out of this area, DO IT!! NOW!!! And anyone arguing the fact that this area IS a desirable place to live should be tested for drugs and/or a serious mental disorder.

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3976Ytown(1262 comments)posted 7 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes, it's amazing how many people you meet in other states that are from Youngstown.

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40kurtw(914 comments)posted 7 months, 3 weeks ago

A lot of the negatives about this area that I see listed in the survey are about individual choices and not part of the actual Mahoning Valley Infrastructure- for instance, Number of Obese People, Tobacco Use, Alcoholism Rate, People not running 3 Miles a Day, stuff like that- Well, what's stopping anyone from being all those people right here in Y-town? You can be a tee-totaling, macrobiotic, non-smoker (it goes without saying) guy or gal who runs six miles in the morning and then tops it off with 8 miles on the treadmill at night- followed by a "midnight snack" of alfalfa sprouts, mashed yeast, and carrot juice- or you can plop down in front of the TV and inhale a bag of Doritos washed down with 3 beers. It's your choice.

The thing I'm saying is- I go to the Y three times a week and I also go to the walking trails in Mill Creek Park and I see plenty of wonderfully fit people- lean trim, jogging their asses off, and I also see people like myself- not so lean, not so trim, and managing just to walk- I also see poor souls at the Y (many of them much younger than me)- so horribly obese their stomach meets their knees. It's a matter of individual choice.

Youngstown has so many good things going for it- listing them would be too time consuming- Mainly the low cost of living (compared to no three on the survey- Frisco- try to buy a house in that town? Ha.)

Everything else is a matter of individual choice. Speaking of that- Time for a snack- pass me a plate of Mashed Yeast washed down with Carrot Juice- no, on second thought, how about some Doritos and another Yuengling. Individual Choice, see.

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41jojuggie(1407 comments)posted 7 months, 3 weeks ago

Since 2008, the number of Americans who call themselves middle class has fallen by nearly a fifth, according to a survey in January by the Pew Research Center, from 53% to 44%. Forty percent now identify as either lower-middle or lower class compared with just 25% in February 2008.

Put this another way, the number of people self-identifying as lower and lower-middle has expanded 60%. That, of course, is a Democrat constituency, for people in that class see government assistance (food stamps, earned income tax credit, ObamaCare subsidies, and the like) as their ticket to a level of comfort within shooting distance of the middle class – whom they see as better off than they.

It is all part of the effort to engineer an electorate that will keep Democrats in power forever, and that will make government the supreme force in society. Heavily tax those who do make enough money to be comfortable, and make them depend on the government for tax breaks, regulatory favors, and the like. And for the ever-growing segment on the bottom, hand out bread and circuses from Uncle Sugar, also making them dependent.

Obama’s fundamentally transformed America looks like a great place to be in the government, and a lousy place for everyone else.

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42jojuggie(1407 comments)posted 7 months, 3 weeks ago

Chicago is famous for three things:

1. Pizza
2. Gangsters
3. Corrupt Politicans

Obama is not a Pizza

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43jojuggie(1407 comments)posted 7 months, 3 weeks ago

A little history for you.....................
During the 3-1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U.S. produced 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks. We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy , won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany . It's worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a working web site.



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44kurtw(914 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

Number One in the Survey (as most desirable place to live) is Provo, Utah. Provo Utah! Who the hell wants to live in Provo, Utah- except a tee-totaling Masochist. Dominated by Mormons, with the most restrictive liqueur laws in the country and, worst of all, a miserable climate (unless you like 90 plus all Summer- Oh, yes, everybody tells me, it's "Dry Heat"- still like being in an Oven or a desiccant machine) and the cost of living is staggering- you probably couldn't afford to buy a house there- as in Frisco- no 3 on the list. People ought to start looking at their own grass a little more closely- just as green as next door.

Youngstown ain't so bad, I say! I mean, If you have to be miserable- you might as well be miserable in a place where the cost of living is reasonable, right? (Also, I like Winter- hate Summer heat- each to their own...)

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45kurtw(914 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

Boardman Jeff says: "The Mahoning Valley is a toxic waste dump of humanity compared to the rest of the country. This is where unapologetic racism and silly Christian dogma trumps common sense and decency. A town where people watch the movie "Noah" or "Passion of the Christ" and brainwash their kids to believe everything in them as historical fact, but then spend hours mocking the new "Cosmos" series as promoting "ridiculous" ideas like evolution and the Big Bang. These idiots want to replace the U.S. Constitution with the Old Testament."

Oh, really. Try going to Provo, Utah- number one on the survey- best place to live. Run by Mormons not known for their enlightened views- talk about "silly Christian Dogma": six wives, preferably brought in as children, views on Black People and Homosexuals not exactly progressive (they've toned it down lately- bad for the Tourist trade) and their views on Evolution, I'm sure, would be a lot closer to Brigham Young's than Carl Sagan's.

I don't know where you've spent most of your time in Y-town- but I've lived here many years- and I've met very few people who fit your description .Youngstowner's are actually pretty good people, on balance, but, of course, you find Bigots everywhere- As you demonstrate.

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46cambridge(3046 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

kurtw....FYI, the reason it cost so much to live in San Francisco is because it's worth it. I wouldn't think of living anywhere else.

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47kurtw(914 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

Good for you Cambridge! I really mean it. Where do you live? In an apartment- or do you have your own house? What do you have to spend every month for rent or a mortgage (assuming you have one). Could someone with an average- or slightly below average- income or a retired individual on a fixed income afford to live in your fair city? Isn't it true that in lovely Frisco most of the people in the Service Sector- fast food workers and the like who cater to the needs of the "beautiful people"- have to commute far away in trailer parks every day- because housing in your lovely community is unaffordable to them?

Y-town may be ugly as hell, I know (though is there a park in Frisco as beautiful as Mill Creek Park?) but here at least average people can afford to put a roof over their heads- and retired people don't have to wander homeless (what's the rate of homelessness in your Fair City?)- that means a hell of a lot to me. Besides I like the Wintertime, Do you Get Snow?

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48kurtw(914 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

Another point, the damn Hills would drive me nuts. Everything is built into a Hillside. Pretty strenuous I'd say. Just walking up to your doorstep would be a major operation- not so bad if you're going "downhill"- but, I've been going downhill for a while anyway so that's a downer. And then you have the earthquakes to worry about- and if you swim in the ocean the sharks will get you. No thanks, I'll take the Midwest, Thank you! (Another point, they're running out of potable water (the kind you can drink- not salt water) and we have the Great Lakes. Forget it- give me Ohio.

I'll bet they're are just as many people- as a percentage of the population- in lovely Frisco miserable and discontented as in ugly Y-town. That's just human nature. Grass is greener, etc. etc.

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49kurtw(914 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

Talking about the rating for Frisco- third or fourth nationwide in the rating- part of that was due to the fact they cheated. The area included in the survey was San Francisco and Oakland- no mention of Richmond. Richmond is the poorer part of the San Francisco Bay Area- with demographics- income, poverty rate, etc. similar to that of Youngstown and- not being included- would be similar to a survey of the Youngstown Area not including Youngstown- just Canfield, Boardman and Poland. It's cheating. And just to put the matter in perspective- Richmond, California- part of greater San Francisco- has an average annual income of just $44,000 yearly. Try supporting yourself in San Francisco- with the highest cost of living in the country- on $44,000 a year- and that's just the Average- which means 50 per cent make less than that. By comparison, in Youngstown, you can live decently for that kind of money. Count your blessings.

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50cambridge(3046 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

kurtw....you seem to be an expert on the San Francisco Bay Area. How much time have you spent there, exactly.

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51jojuggie(1407 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

Hey cambridge, who cares how much time he spent in SF. If you dispute his facts, say so.

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52city_resident(513 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

I've never been to S.F., but I'm sure it's a great city. Its high price tag shows that there is high demand for quality urban living in the US.

But, I like living in Youngstown because: although there may be fewer amenities, (though still more than enough for me) and my annual salary may be 1/3 of what it would be in S.F., my house and neighborhood are as rich in architectural character as most of those in S.F., and for 1/50 the price.

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53Robert_Neville(123 comments)posted 7 months, 2 weeks ago

I can not believe what I am reading. I can tell you after being in Iraq for two year with DOS and two years in Afghanistan with DOS. Youngstown is a great place to be. I can tell you that the air is clean, you do not have that dead animal smell. It seemed like every week they were killing my new best friend. It was really hard to a best friend to walk or run three miles a week with.

The fact is people want to impose there believes on people and the fact is all it does is splits a country into two separate parts. Y-town is not that bad when you compare it to a war torn country (you could be in Syria). Just my take on the subject.

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