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SVSM holds off Poland for regional title



Published: Sun, March 16, 2014 @ 12:05 a.m.

SVSM holds off Poland; Grisdale: ‘It’s not right’

By Tom Williams

williams@vindy.com

CANTON

Trailing by eight points early, Poland sophomore Jared Burkert ignited an 8-0 run that stunned Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary.

After Burkert hit a jump shot and senior Jacob Wolfe connected from long range, Burkert made some jaws drop with a baseline 3-pointer that tied the game.

But Burkert’s shot awoke a sleeping, angry giant and the Irish soon seized control. The Bulldogs spent the rest of Saturday’s Division II regional championship game at the Canton Memorial Civic Center chasing, getting as close as three points before SVSM pulled away for a 54-42 victory.

The final score doesn’t reveal just how close the Bulldogs (24-3) came to earning their fifth trip to Columbus. With 1:34 remaining, Poland trailed, 44-40.

Nothing went right after that, then frustration spilled over.

As the players waited for the game to resume, Poland junior guard Kyle Dixon was standing next to SVSM’s Josh Williams, then was sprawled on the court.

“Elbow right to his jaw,” Wolfe said. “The referee was looking right there. I mean there was no doubt about it.”

No foul was assessed.

“When you’re St. Vincent-St. Mary, you don’t get those called on you,” Wolfe suggested. “If you are Poland Seminary ...”

Poland head coach Ken Grisdale said the explanation he was given is that none of the officials saw any contact.

“And he looks at me and goes, ‘Are you proud of the way you coached your team?’” Grisdale said. “It’s wrong. It isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. Four out of [their] five starters aren’t even Ohio kids.”

Moments later, with a pass sailing out of bounds, SVSM forward Johnnie Robinson caught it in the air and was awarded a timeout before he landed out of bounds.

The Bulldogs couldn’t hit a shot down the stretch and the Irish closed with a 10-2 run that included eight free throws. Poland walked away with its second regional loss to SVSM in five seasons.

In 21 seasons as Poland head coach, Grisdale never has taken a loss so hard. In addition to officiating, he’s frustrated with the Ohio School Athletic Association system that has public schools competing against private schools based solely on enrollment.

“We have the best Division II public school team in Ohio,” Grisdale said. “It’s not right.

“They bust their ass, they do everything right and you’ve got to deal with that horsecrap,” said Grisdale whose team lost a state semifinal game to SVSM in 2002. “I’m tired of working our tail off and someone [else] can go get a kid from West Virginia or Virginia.

“And you’ve got to play them — it’s not right.”

Grisdale said the Irish earned the victory.

“I told my kids that there is no excuse; they beat us,” Grisdale said. “They are a better team. [But] that’s not what high school athletics is supposed to be about.

“Until people start waking up. I mean, I don’t know how taxpayers in the state of Ohio or [a] public school system, how they deal with this.

“It’s wrong.”

Stunned by Poland’s 8-0 run to close the first quarter, the Irish (19-8) seized control of the game with a 9-3 second quarter. Wolfe’s 3-pointer a minute into the second quarter gave Poland its last lead, 18-17.

Jibri Blount then stole the ball and dunked it. Jalen Hudson and Blount added baskets and King a free throw for a 26-18 halftime lead.

Poland went more than eight minutes without a point until Wolfe sank another 3-pointer early in the third quarter.

“We never gave up,” said Wolfe who led the Bulldogs with 11 points. “That’s the thing about this team — I’m so proud of everyone. No one gave up until the final whistle blew.

“We hustle as hard as any team in the state of Ohio,” Wolfe said. “We missed some shots there at the end — if we could have made a few ...”

George Chammas agreed.

“The shots didn’t fall, it doesn’t always go your way, but we fought hard until the end,” said Chammas who finished with six points and eight rebounds. “And that’s all that I care about — we gave it our all.”

Burkert came off the bench to score 10 points. Nick Gajdos had seven points and Danny Black six.

“He’s made big shots all year for us,” Grisdale said of Burkert. “He does great things for us, but there were other people screening for him, there were other people passing to him.”

For the Irish, King led with 14 points and Williams netted 11. Hudson, a Virginia Tech recruit, was limited to nine.

“I am so proud of the way my kids competed,” Grisdale said. “[The Irish] are good players. But they are not Ohio players.”

The Irish made 19 of 36 shots while the Bulldogs made 15 of 50.

“We had shots,” Grisdale said. “It’s just disappointing. I just wish people would have to look these kids in the eyes.

“I don’t get on officials often but it’s just a matter of they can walk away, they don’t have to deal with the aftermath,

“I thought they did a decent job for the most part, I really did,” Grisdale said of the referees. “I just thought that there were some things that they let happen. It’s kind of like if we had done that, they probably could have called an intentional foul.”

Grisdale said he would love to see SVSM head coach Dru Joyce work with a public school team.

“Dru Joyce, come coach a team that you’ve got to work with rather than some AAU [prepped squad],” Grisdale challenged.

After three years of losing in the district tournament, Wolfe and Chammas tasted the regional in their final season and just fell short of going to state.

“We didn’t want it to end, not like this,” Wolfe said. “It just hurts that we couldn’t win this one.”

Grisdale acknowledged that his comments aren’t going to make him friends with those in high places.

“I’ve taken it for 21 years,” Grisdale said. “It isn’t right. You look at my kids and they did everything we asked them to all year.

“I don’t know how they can justify ... if [privates] want to play [with out-of district players], put them in Division I where they deserve to be,” Grisdale said. “They can’t win it there so they don’t want to go there.”

Grisdale said he doubts the system will change unless coaches get a say.

“There’s got to be a better way.”


Comments

1ytownisajoke(31 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Very sad what happened to these boys in Canton yesterday. It was a well played game, but with Poland trailing by only 4 points late in the game the officials all of a sudden went blind and every call went to St Vs. You would have had to be there to understand just how bad it was. Great job Poland against this AAU team known as St Vs.

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2tafy(86 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I feel badly for Poland. They are not very well liked no matter where they go. They are preceived as a bunch of spoiled rich kids. Take away all that and they still have a great amount of athletic ability. They are a tough team to beat in athletics. But when they are not afforded the benifits of private schools who get the kidis from where ever, its hard to keep up. Poland can hold their heads high. They played on helluva game against a stacked deck. As far as the cheap shot with the elbow. It was Poland's coach who taught his team self control. It is the refs fault that it can prevail.

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3Guest22(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I feel sorry for the Poland kids too. They are being given excuses by an adult who should know better. Are the Poland kids going to go through life making excuses and saying "It's not fair."?

Grisdale is a FOOL!! Every player he is crying about lives in the city of Akron. Families are allowed to move from place to place. American families do it all the time. Don't families move to Poland? With the attitudes expressed here, Why would they want to?

I really feel sorry for the young people of Poland. They're being raised with an "entitlement" attitude. Because they are a public school they are entitled to win championships.

Grisdale goes onto say his team is the public school state champion. Is he so small minded that Norwalk and Dayton Thurgood Marshall, who will be playing in Columbus, don't count? The Poland kids may have lost the game yesterday, but Grisdale is the LOSER.

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4Yesterday(1 comment)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Funny but this wasn't a problem when they beat Cleveland Central Catholic or Mooney. What a sore loser. Get a grip coach. Life isn't always fair. Why don't you teach your kids that instead of using built in, convenient, timely excuses when things don't go your way, you buck up and take it like a man.

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5canfcard(65 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Unbelievable. Pull up the waaaaaaaaambulace coach. You're a great example for your players

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6guest5(6 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I feel sorry for those kids cause i know for a fact they have grown up together since grade school, i believe one of the players was still enrolled at Barberton at the end of the summer?! Im sorry that is just discusting to think that they are able to get away with that type of thing. Now Gridales comment(s), you dont think he is human? He has great passion for the program and the kids i think you guys have to think, there is always two sides to every argument.

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7Irishforever23(1 comment)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

If Coach Grisdale can't play with the big boys maybe he should just take his balls & go home! Just because he isn't half the coach Dru is, he has to blame the refs to deflect his clear lack of leadership skills.
Dixon is obviously obsessed with STVM because he pulled a "Lebron" on Josh Williams while he was standing there with his arms at his side!
You can't buy talent but parents can move their kids to a better school where the head basketball coach doesn't need a pacifier & blanket after he looses a game - Poland parents, you have money, maybe you should have your kids shadow at STVM and see why we have so many state championship banners!

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8pizzaman7(1 comment)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

HEY COACH AND FANS OF POLAND, YOU DO HAVE HARD WORKING ATHLETES,BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A SHORT MEMORY. PETE PERRY FROM LOWELLVILLE, LED THE FOOTBALL BULLDOGS TO 1999 STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, WHILE HIS PARENTS LIVED IN LOWELLVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT. NOTHING MORE NEED TO BE SAID!!!!!!!!!

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9guest5(6 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

You cant even compare coach dru and grisdale. Dru deals with the best talent in the damn country and grisdale has a public school, closed eneollment and dwindling community to work with.

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10Max(81 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

You know what "Coach" Grisdale? The Catholics have taken it for 21 years too -- listening to the likes of you whine and complain about playing them and how they "cheat" and "steal players" and on and on... Wah, wah, wah. But there are plenty of publics who play and WIN instead of crying. You should be embarrassed. What an example you set for your team. Set the bar high, right??

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11guest101(2 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I think its fair to say Coach Grisdale is speaking on behalf of public schools. Look at his comments closer. Yes, they are directed at STVM Coach Joyce after a heated contest, but his message to the OHSAA is clear. Polands region had 3 private schools competing in it. TMHS had 1 private school and Norwalk had 0. And obviously Bishop Watterson cruised past the public schools in its region. Lets face it, Canfield, Struthers, Campbell etc. couldn't compete against STVM any better then Poland did. And to say you can't buy talent is absurd!! I guess the rest of the country forget or ignored the economic prosperity happening in Akron where 4 random parents would just decide to up and move their basketball talented child to such an up and coming boom-town! I would argue all of the kids on the PSHS roster have had an address in Poland for most of their young lives. Yes a family can move when it wants, but lets agree the practices of recruiting at private schools exists...how else does a small school in the middle of a depressed area survive, while the local public schools see a down-swing in talent? Uh, lets at least agree none of us are ignorant! Whether its Football, Soccer, Basketball, Volleyball, Girls Sports or Boys, change needs to happen. Grisdales comments were directed to that change...and he is speaking on behalf of the popular opinion in many public schools from this area. He is teaching his kids something. Standing for what they believe in, and that change, although painful, is good!!

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12guest123(7 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I'm tired of people complaining about public/private school competition because a coaches lack of ability to coach. I don't hear any public schools complain when they beat a private school and visa versa I don't hear private schools whining and complaining because they lost to a public school. Blaming your loss on the fact of a public/private school matter is petty. If you want a split and not have public schools play private schools, fine have your way and see how much recruiting they do at that time. They would be allowed to stand on your (public schools) fields/courts and offer scholarships to the best athletes. So have it your way cause I guarantee you'll complain about that as well.

The comments about Coach Dru Joyce are just ignorant. If Poland's coach/team actually knew him personally they would realize that he is twice the man that Grisdale will ever hope to be.

As a spectator of the game the accusation that the refs blew the game is wrong. Yes I will agree that there were one or two questionable calls. But those calls were not game changing. Blaming the game on the refs calls is merely a cover up for the lack of a coach that Poland has. If I was the super intendant of Poland schools Grisdale would be packing up his office tomorrow, for the lack of humbleness he has and what a disgrace he is to the school by the way he acts. I know second graders that act more mature than him. Running to the press to complain to is just another example of how immature he is. A man that is humble would have stated that they worked hard but STVM just stole the show at the end.

The game was nothing to be ashamed about Poland played hard and so did STVM, it came down to the final two minutes. Trust me the Poland coach is acting like the world just ended when in reality it was a great game and the stronger team just pulled out in the end. Either of those teams could have won they are both extremely talented because they did make it that far. The better team won and thats just the fact. It doesn't have anything to do with private vs public, nor does it have anything to do with where the players came from. At the end of the day both teams were very talented and the one with the better coach won in the end. In the last two minutes of the game it all came down to coaching and thats where Mr. Dru Joyce overcame Mr. Ken Grisdale.

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13tafy(86 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Sooooooo lets fight about baseball next

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14MahoningValley2(3 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Mooney/Ursuline does the same thing in football.

It needs to be stopped.

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15guest101(2 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I would agree the game was hard fought and could have gone either way...Yet you don't want to speak to the point that the Poland coach was speaking to the disparity is high school sports. You don't think that the parochial schools dont already stand next to the public schools playgrounds and approach kids based on how their theology (not sports because that would be shady) can change the young childs life? Of course they do...and yeah, I'm voicing my opinion that its wrong to corner the market on talent. Then play a regular season schedule on one level, and come playoff time, drop two (or more) levels and dominate your way to a Championship. Look at the State of Indiana. In the late 90's they changed the most sacred HS basketball tournament in the country....No classes, all or nothing, each year people hoping for David v. Goliath. Well, after all those years, the "Davids" got tired of realizing no matter how well they coached, how well they played, at the end of the day, the larger schools who started 4-5 Div-1 recruits were going to prevail. Yes the change was difficult but it was for the better. I disagree Coach Joyce is a better coach, but I live in Poland, so that's a dead end argument (I have to get my 2 cents in); And think about the timing of Coach Grisdales comments, if they were made in the middle of August at some function would they be printed in the newspaper? Doubt it...but his timing, although interpreted by some as whining, is good because it was printed, and here we are debating change!

PS- For the record: not to call a Technical foul after an elbow to the face, when the lead is only 4...I would say that is game changing!

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16guest123(7 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

This is where you are ignorant. How can you hate a school because they want to put faith in someones life? Yes a parochial school may encourage public school students to attend their school because of religion. What is your point? That has nothing to do with the matter on hand. So what you are trying to tell me is that if a private school is going to a public school and telling the students they will teach you about faith and God, that automatically means they are recruiting students for sports? What if one of those kids that transfer are in the band, choir, rocket team, plays/musicals, thats recruiting?

You disagree that Coach Dru's coaching is better, why? Whats your facts to prove your argument? Last time I checked Coach Dru has more championships than Coach Grisdales will ever imagine of having.

Timing is everything, maybe if he was humble he wouldn't have gone spouting out his opinions. He is the reason this is all blown out of proportion. Rather than having the focus being on the players he had to have the focus on himself. The players are what the focus should be, not himself. How about the seniors that lead the team? How do you think they feel that their coach is a whack job and is taking their great accomplishment away from them?

And to your P.S. just cause Poland tries to win games by lying and deceit doesn't mean it was actually a bad no call.

Poland people are just mad that they could not pay the refs to win the game for their lack of a coach!

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17Tlm(1 comment)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

So what your saying is that basically the private schools have enough money to pay off the refs! Seriously people do you have a life! Guest 123

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18ytownisajoke(31 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Some of you people are clueless. I have been reading all week about Catholic schools week, yet I live in a community (Poland), where I don't see these people in church, they pull their kids from PCBA because they cant get along with people, and in one case I know of they live in neighborhoods where they wont even speak to their neighbors. I am sorry to inform all of you, but religion, respect, integrity, class and being humble is taught in the home- not at a school.

As far as this game- anyone notice anything different about the kids in the stands and the kids playing the game??? I am sure those boys all came in from out of state for a good catholic education. The Ohio High School Athletic Association needs to be held accountable. St V's is simply playing within the rules as much as many of us don't like it.

As far as Coach Grisdale- he did a great job this season with those boys. It is hard to compare abilities to coach when you are choosing from 400 boys in a school and coach Joyce can select from anywhere in the country. To me- sounds like coach Joyce is sour because someone finally had enough courage to call him out.

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19guest123(7 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Tim your an idiot. And by "you people" you are assuming that I am a private school advocate. Wrong, I am actually a public school person, but you Poland people whine about anything that you can't pay to make better.

ytownisajoke, you are wrong as well, Mr. Joyce only has approximately 300 boys to choose from in the school. So I don't know where you think that he goes all over they country to get players.

See, all this Youngstown and surrounding area people like to run their mouths a lot. None of you have proof of anything. If you did you would prove it with research. Just cause Grisdale said STVM recruits that means its gospel?

And I know some smart ass is going to try and say that I don't have proof hahaha that is where they are wrong.

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20Guest2424(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

First off all the arrogant people saying on here that Coach Griz is a horrible person for simply stating his opinion on these private schools that recruit obviously have no way to back up what they say. I see coach griz everyday at school and he is the most humble and one of the most educated people I know. It's saddening how he can't voice his own opinion without all this BS and you a-holes blow it way out of proportion. Man up and take the facts. If you're just gonna bitch about what a grown man has to say take his words and shove em up your ass. He worked every single day in the summer with his team just so he can play a team that 4 out of 5 starters aren't even from ohio?!?! And for the person that said "I feel bad for poland students" You have never been to our school. We get some of the best educating in the state of ohio and you come on here and rip us to shreds like that and have the audacity to call Coach Griz a "Fool" your contradicting your self. You also begin to state how our parents are rich and we don't work for anything? Do you see how much money Lebron has donated to St. V's? You sound dumb.

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21guest123(7 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Ohh ya? You get the best educating in the state of Ohio? Try education you idiot.

By the way LeBron donated to their school. Doesn't have anything to do with the students parents working or not.

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22guest123(7 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

ANTIYOUNGSTOWN, its about time a sensible person was on here.... all this ignorant people make me laugh...

SORE LOSERS

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23guest5(6 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Why is it such a big deal for somebody to voice their opinion and stand up for what they believe in. Also that is bull Joyce has "300" people to choose from, he gets who ever the hell he wants, those boosters do what ever he says no questions asked including shelling out the money. Yeah you think just stopped giving money because they got caught once giving LeBron a hummer? There is not a chance in hell.

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24Guest2424(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Guest123 you may have not mentally devolped yet? Shows you're education. I said "We get some of the best educating in the state of Ohio." Also I said "SOME" never said we get the best in the state. You didn't pass English class did you?

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25ytownisajoke(31 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Guest123- please do your research. Educate yourself before speaking on these posts. It is not hard to find St. V's roster.

Additionally, I understand many of you don't like Poland. But again, I ask people to educate themselves before they make comments- especially about money. Do a survey of the average household incomes in the area.... Secondly, Cardinal Mooney's population is made up of a large number of Poland residents- the more wealthier ones mind you.

Lastly- when you are successful people will either love you or hate you. Poland's athletic programs have been some of the best in the area for nearly two decades now. And their success has come at the hands of much larger schools like Howland and Canfield- and as of late Fitch and Boardman. And their refusal to play Mooney or Ursuline just adds fuel to the fire.

Sorry folks- it is what it is.

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26guest123(7 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Your*

You're means you are.... shows your education!

And it is still education not educating.

Also when I was in high school I had a higher GPA than you will ever dream of having twerp!

How about you get some class and grow up a bit! Mommy and Daddy can't spoon feed you all of your life.

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27guest123(7 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

ytownisajoke, what is your point about their roster? They play much harder teams than Poland!

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28Guest2424(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Me show class? you are a adult being a grammar nazi on a vindy.com article? And you want me to show class? Also my parents work for what they get. Do some research before you start saying stuff ;)

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29ytownisajoke(31 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Point about the roster is where the kids come from- which is Out of State. That was Grisdale's point. It is possible that a team will win the Ohio State DII Championship with 4 boys that are not even from Ohio. That is a travesty and a disservice to all student athletes in the State of Ohio from both Public and Private schools.

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30CharmCitySaint(5 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

While Grisdale's comments were accurate, the timing of them were bad. Catholic Schools recruit better than YSU. Some catholic schools chose to do it in football (Mooney) and some will chose other sports (StV-M). His comments took away from the accomplishments on his team this year. Those kids had a great year and his comments overshadowed that.

Now, I have a problem with a few of the other commenters on here and their words about the Poland community...

I am sick and tired of people saying that Poland's kids are rich, spoiled and entitled. First of all, every school district has kids that are rich, spoiled and entitled. Second, not all kids in Poland are raised that way.

Poland is a nice middle class community. Just cause most of the other towns in the Youngstown area failed to maintain their roads, neighborhoods and schools does not make Poland rich, spoiled and entitled. It makes Poland a nice, thriving, stable community. Most people in the Youngtown area are jealous of what Canfield and most of Boardman are. Low crime, nice neighborhoods and a good school district does not make Poland rich, spoiled and entitled. It makes Poland a nice place to live and raise a family. Maybe if your town implemented some of those "speed traps" that everyone loves to joke about on Vindy.com than your town would not have fallen into a state of disrepair.

And no, I do not live in Poland but I used to. I don't even live in the state anymore. But it will always be "home"

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31joemamma(61 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Poland maybe you should schedule Mooney or Ursuline in one of the nine home games in football.

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32irish4evr(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

This may not be my place as a 16 year old but i am a student athlete at STVM. I play for coach dru on the jv team but he is still my coach and a mentor. What you poland people arr saying is he seems like a crook with all these accusations about him recruiting...he didnt recruit me, and he didnt recruit anyone on the team. Jalen hudson, vj king, josh williams, and jibri blount all told me they came to stvm willingly not by recruitment. And as far as a leader is concerned i would take coach dru anyday because he is a composed man whos been there and done that and knows how to handle situations like this, but it looks like coach grisdale cant. You people really think my coach goes to virginia and north carolina to tell a kid to drop what hes doin and come make a life changing decision to come to a catholic school? no. They all came here willingly because of the lebron factor lets be honest and the tradition of WINNING state championships. I hate when people say we recruit. I wasnt recruited. Quit making assumptions about our program based on the information on a roster. By the way...theyre all great kids too...humble, deserving, and thankful that they are at an instittution like stvm

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33guest5(6 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Obviously you werent recruited your on the jv team for a reason..... you seam like the prideful bench player type that rides the winning train behind a bunch of amazing athletes

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34SnowbeltMan(1 comment)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

As I always ask my Catholic friends when I get in this debate: Why are your athletes so good and your bands so bad? Do Catholics not like music?

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35irish4evr(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I can see why you think that. But i also was asked to play varsity and i said no to focus on football...oh which by the way we beat you in too. I take into offense though that you challenge my athletic abilities. Coach dru wanted me on the team to PLAY in games. Like i said i chose not to, to focus on my number one sport football.

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36irish4evr(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Oh no we love music sir. Our band went down to disney world to be recongnized as one of the nations top bands so your arguement is flawed

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37guest5(6 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Ok well if that is the case then i truly do apologize i was just calling it how i see it. Which was actually a bit harsh and disheartening....

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38irish4evr(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Its fine i get it alot

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39guest5(6 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I must say though you did have some valid points in the first comment you had but it is still just very hard to believe that recruiting is not going on. I guess it just depends on your perspective and how the situation has panned out

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40DevilPrideWR(3 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

It isn't about whether or not private schools recruit. It isn't about the quality of the coach or the community. It isn't about the times when public schools win over private schools. It's about competitive balance and the incredible disparity between public and private schools and that the OHSAA poorly addresses the facts.

I saw this compilation of stats posted by an athletic director from a ITCL school:

"Total Public schools in OHSAA - 684 (83%)
Total Private schools in OHSAA - 136 (17%)
Last 14 years, # of Public State Champs - 251
Last 14 years, # of Private State Champs - 211
So that means out of 462 State Champs over the last 14 years, the 17% of the schools have won 46% of them. This doesn't even include an in-depth look at it if you were to take the amount of private schools who are in the sweet sixteen's, final four's, etc. (D3 this year alone, 9 of 16 were private and several of the publics that made it to the regional didn't have a private school in their district.)"

To me, this is the point that every person who is advocating for competitive balance is trying to make. The new competitive balance proposal (voting in May) has been announced by the OHSAA and it does not call for a separation of tournaments. It talks about assigning a multiplying factor to student athletes who enroll in a school (both private and public) after the seventh grade who do not live in the district or a come from a designated feeder school (for private schools).

OHSAA recognizes there is a disparity and they are attempting to address it. Is it enough?

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41devildog(96 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Hats off to coach Griz for having the guts to say what every PUBLIC SCHOOL advocate thinks!

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42thereal(1 comment)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I know a lot of the kids for st.v and alot of them were moved to akron with the help of dru and recruited from his aau team solely to play basketball he made the moves mainly to compete with central Catholic the team poland beat. Poland out coached central and beat them without their head coach but they would have talent wise matched up better with st.v and would have had dru recruiting again

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43dna12345(3 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

For those that keep bringing up whether Grisdale complained this year when he beat Mooney, the answer is no. That same answer applies when MOONEY beat him last year. The point is, that this is MUCH more than the traditional Public vs. Private debate. Second, to my friend my Canfield who above advised that an ambulance be called, may I remind you that Canfield schools has made it PUBLIC that they will no longer schedule Mooney in any sport!!
I can make it no simplier than this. If a school has a bigger pool of athletes to pull from, doesn't it make sense that their athletic programs will improve? It's bad enough when that pool involves a whole county, but when you are talking an entire country, not sure how anyone with half a brain cannot see it's an uneven playing field. I say this with the utmost respect to these two programs, but ask Fitch and Hubbard how open enrollment has affected their football teams. Utimately, Poland can decide to open the doors for open enrollment, and that choice remains theirs.

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44doclockup(1 comment)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

What a poor sport. Grisdale wants to blame everyone but himself and his team. STVM lost 9 games this year and 5 of those loses were to public schools. Just because his public school couldn’t beat them doesn’t mean that a public school can’t beat them. The team Poland beat in the Regional Semi-Final game beat STVM this year. They were a private school and nobody heard him sniveling after that game.

I would say that Grisdale probably doesn’t have the best DII public school team in the state, but I am going to all the games in Columbus so I will be sure to let him know.

I was not at Saturdays game so I cannot comment on the officiating. As far as saying the referees favor the private schools I would think that most people think it is the opposite. I listened to the game on the radio and the announcers couldn't stop talking about the Poland player flopping.

I think Grisdale is a terrible example for those Poland basketball players and that community. In fact I think the 16 year old STVM student who posted has shown more class than he has.

Good programs don't need to recruit. Kids want to go there. In this great country we live in, kids in the Akron area can choose to go to a private school. Grisdale isn't half the coach that Joyce is.

I think Grisdale needs to grab his blankie, crawl back into the fetal position, suck his thumb and cry himself back to sleep. Wa! Wa! Boo-Hoo! What a poor sport.

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45Diebold2000(38 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Dru a good coach give me a break! He has Lebaron sending him the best talent he can find at his AAU try out camps every summer. If Dru was such a good coach why wouldn't he have left Booker and Campbell in the game? They totally shut Poland down, yet they didn't touch the floor in the second half because Lebaron would find out that the football scholarship boys got in over his recruits and he may not allow Dru to be in another commercial!
Coach Grisdale, I am not a fan or resident of the Bulldogs but man what you said was spot on. It is sad and out of control what OHSAA has come too, yet all the Supes and Principals bury the head in the sand. What you said was what every public school coach should be saying. I applaud you and consider you a very respectful coach. You are neither a whiner or complainer. You have run your program with class and have made every player a better man through the years.
As for all you Mooneyites talk about complaining about officiating,,,,, and cheating really? What happened last summer? Bad case of amnesia,,,, How soon we forget... all I have heard was it wasn't pass interference,,,, well when he throws the flag and calls it pass interference then guess what, IT IS!

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46Guest2424(4 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Can you please state some valid reasons Grisdale is a bad coach? You're obviously a mad private school advocate that just can't accept the truth. Are you aware that Joyce can select and kid in the country and Grisdale has 300 kids to choose from? Also with the comment you made about him being a bad example. I have not even heard one person in our community that has anything negative to say about him and he is very respected for the things he said. And you have the balls to put him down when you know nothing about the man? It's about time somebody steps up and can state the truth.

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47basketball23(1 comment)posted 6 months ago

Wow, first of all let's not take away what a great game that was played by some great athletes from Poland and St Vincent St. Mary. It was awesome to watch a game like that, especailly when it's tournament time and the kids played their hearts out. I felt as if the officials called a pretty good game, they let both teams play, as they should it's tournament time, they didn't not let it get out of hand, and it was not one sided. Now as for the coach from Poland, I believe the timing was not right to be upset about what you think happens with St.V recruiting. It seems as if you have taken away how well your guys played on Saturday, by whinning. Timing is everything, if you felt you wanted your concerns to be heard you should have contacted the OHSAA. If you team would have beat ST V., you would have never spoke on this issue negatively. You don't know what the families situations are to why the kids go to St V. You have parents whose jobs have relocated them back to to the area, as I stated back to the area, several of the players families are from the are and just relocated back to Akron. It simply just sounded like a sore loser to me. No matter what you think about saying coach Dru gets kids from every where, the kids still have to put in work. Those kids work very, very hard on their game, not because their forced but because they want too. Those kids are working on their game when other kids are not. I give alot of credit to the Poland kids, they played very hard the entire game, disciplined team and very well coached. All your complaints need to be made to the state, coach Dru does not select to play in which Division he wants. Also as stated before St. V plays mostly Division I schools, St. V didn't cry and pout when they went to Florida at played Chicago Whitney Young with the #1 player in the nation, along with other great competion and some the of the best player's in the nation. What did they do went out and played very hard lost a close one, but the coach didn't come back with a bunch of excuses. With that all be said what a great game we witnessed against 2 very good teams with some very good athlets on last Saturday. Now Goodluck St. V. in the State Semifinal game, and bring back a State Championship!

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48teamvindy(2 comments)posted 6 months ago

For those who think Grisdale is a man who is to be respected, you have not had any personal interaction with this man. I have had personal interaction with him and can tell you he is a hateful, angry, and downright ugly human being. Hopefully the way he behaved during and after the game Sat. will expose to the public the true nature of this man. I was especially embarrassed for him and for my community when he made a scene by shaking his head and then pulling his team off the floor during the trophy ceremony. If you believe I am alone in my feelings about this man, I am not. Please read the posts in the link below. This man needs to be reprimanded and hopefully his latest outburst will have some repercussions.

http://www.ratemyteachers.com/ken-gri...

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49sammyd1949(19 comments)posted 6 months ago

"teamvindy"
And look who made those comments on ratemyteachers. ANONYMOUS, ANONYMOUS, ANONYMOUS................
That is the problem with such sites. People VERY EAGER to rip a person's name / reputation, but GUTLESS and not willing to put a name behind their comments. Bottom line, those comments mean NOTHING. Most likely all made by the same one or two crybabies who sat the bench. If you're not smart enough to realize that, you have no business commenting on the topic. (Or, are you the whiner making the comments?)

By reading the comments on ratemyteachers.com, Grisdale is one of the worst coaches in the Mahoning Valley.

How about checking Poland's record under Grisdale. Not a single school in this area can match the overall success rate.

But don't let facts get in the way of your hatred for very personal and selfish reasons.

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50teamvindy(2 comments)posted 6 months ago

"sammyd"
Yes my comments are personal because I have had personal experience with this man. I have made my concerns known to school officials in the past with no satisfaction so it is my sincere hope that now that Grisdale has publicly humiliated himself and embarrassed the Poland community with his behavior that he will finally be forced to clean up his act or be asked to leave the school. Poland deserves a better class of people representing itself in the public.

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51sammyd1949(19 comments)posted 6 months ago

Again, sorry you sat the bench, failed the class, whatever. Obviously, the man's record speaks for itself. And obviously the fact that the VAST majority of Poland citizens support him (as suggested by his 21 years of holding the head coaching job, unheard of in today's world) bother you to no end.

Just wondering...How many of the posts on ratemyteacher were yours??? ;-)

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52Guest22(4 comments)posted 6 months ago

Here's another challenge to Ken Grisdale -Come into the city and coach an urban team and not some preppy suburban team. You couldn't handle it!

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53L0L(660 comments)posted 6 months ago

Comment #8 by "pizzaman" is the best comment on here. Pete Perry from LOWELLVILLE while living in LOWELLVILLE won a state title for Poland in football in 1999. Enough said.

As far as the coach from Poland goes most successful coaches aren't always liked by everyone. They have a winning record because they tend to play the kids that can win, not the "everyone should play" mentaility. When I was in high school I played football. I remember a lot of angry parents because our coach wasn't being "fair" to their child. Well, their child wasn't good. You can't just play a kid because he's on the team. You need to send teh message that life isn't fair and that you have to work for what you want. That message is being instilled by these successfule coaches.

And by the way I'm not from Poland. And regarding the 99 Poland state title in football give credit where credit was due. Perry wasn't that great his line was. He was good, but not great.

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54devildog(96 comments)posted 6 months ago

Poland never RECRUITED Perry, he lived with his aunt and uncle and they had custody.....LOL you say that Perry won the title FOR poland then go on to say he wasnt that great, his line was! Duh
It seems that the catholic supporters are finding the few incidents that are questionable about public schools playing with players from surronding areas.....as if that is anywhere near what the catholic schools are doing! please give me a break! Try that elsewhere!!! Not even close. It goes on everywhere but no where near what the parochials do!

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55L0L(660 comments)posted 6 months ago

I'm not affiliated with either side of the argument my point was that when you point a finger at someone there's fingers pointing back at you. Ya, Perry just decided to live with his aunt and uncle, that's what kids do all the time. Give me a break. And I wasn't discrediting his ability, he was a key player in winning that title, however with the line he had it wouldn't of happened.

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56HSG(123 comments)posted 6 months ago

Congrats to coach grisdale for stating the undisputed truth on the subject. The privates are using a select format while publics play who they get, most of the time anyways.

The lebron James all star team is a sham. The ohssa's business model is a Shame. Some people simply cannot be embarrassed, obviously.

(I must say, the 'poster' talking about how high his HS GPA was = absolutely hilarious!)

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57Guest22(4 comments)posted 6 months ago

Poland plays with "who they get" by choice. they could get more, maybe better players if they want by choosing OPEN ENROLLMENT. MANY public schools have chosen this because it's the 21st century. Get with the times and out of your isolated cocoon. You are there by your own choice. What a bunch of crybabies.

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58Guest22(4 comments)posted 6 months ago

ANTIY'TOWN-those days are gone, just like the horse and buggy.

Grisdale now looks like an even bigger fool, if that's possible, with the Norwalk Truckers winning the D2 state championship today.

Also, Norwalk is an open enrollment district.

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59HSG(123 comments)posted 5 months, 3 weeks ago

guest22=

well then?

how did you get so smart?
you
seem to know the answer to everything!

If we have open enrollment everywheres, then the need for OHSAA disappears, nec-est-pas?

The point here, stupid, is that in a REGULATED environment, the rules constrict the publics! They are, in fact, penalized by having only students who attend by geographical boundaries!

If this is too complicated, make a post complaining about your schooling, which appears to be lacking, jus sayin'

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60user(7 comments)posted 5 months, 3 weeks ago

Total Public schools in OHSAA - 684 (83%)
Total Private schools in OHSAA - 136 (17%)
So who has the numbers to make the switch to a "fairer" system??? Must be a reason it doesn't happen....

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