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Russia’s invasion of Ukraine demands a firm US response

Published: Wed, March 5, 2014 @ 12:00 a.m.

Seven short days ago in this space, we exuberantly cheered Russia for its international hospitality and overall success in hosting a relatively flawless Winter Olympics. One week later, however, Russia merits nothing more than angry jeers and worldwide condemnation.

The hoped for foundation Russia had built at the Winter Games toward maturing into a more responsible player on the world stage has since crumbled to smithereens. It did so only days after the Feb. 23 Olympics closing ceremonies when Russian troops began their misguided occupation of the troubled Crimean region of the Ukraine.

As of early this week, Russia had dispatched planes, boats and helicopters to flood Crimea with 16,000 troops. Though they have not become militarily aggressive just yet, the troops’ illegitimate presence bodes ill for the stability of the shaky Ukraine government and for the security of its 50 million people.

This clear violation of the tenets of international law and of diplomatic decency threatens to further destabilize the Ukraine, a peace-loving independent country and former Soviet republic in the heart of Europe. As such, it demands a quick, forceful and concerted response from the United States and the international community, but that response must stop short of even the most remote hint of direct military intervention.

Secretary of State John Kerry, visiting Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, on Tuesday enunciated the need for diplomacy and sanctions to defuse the crisis. Commander in Chief Barack Obama on Tuesday announced $1 billion in aid and loans to help prop up the struggling Ukrainian government and economy.

Closer to home, U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan of Howland, D-13th, has condemned the invasion and has called on the U.S. and its allies to “intervene in a firm and pragmatic way.”

That response could include such powerful weapons as asset freezes, visa bans, a disruption of trade and a slowdown in business investments and a variety of other sanctions or punishments.

But the risks associated with putting boots on the ground in this troubled region are almost too ghastly to imagine. With a military force and arsenal more than six times the size of Ukraine’s, Russia’s potential damage and destruction to the Ukrainian people and their nation loom large.

Clearly it is a time for the American people and the U.S. Congress to rally around the no-nonsense strategies that Obama and Kerry propose. Shamefully, however, some Republicans on Capitol Hill cannot resist the sophomoric temptation to use the international crisis as a whipping post for the president.

Graham’s criticism

Consider the obtuse thinking of South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham. He told CNN this week that Obama should “stop going on television and trying to threaten thugs and dictators.” Graham added that “every time the president goes on national television and threatens Putin or anyone like Putin, everybody’s eyes roll, including mine. We have a weak and indecisive president that invites aggression.”

Such caustic rhetoric is irresponsible. The administration’s measured response to the invasion represents the wisest course of action for a nation exhausted and tormented by such questionable military operations as the war in Iraq that killed or wounded 36,710 Americans over the past decade.

President Obama’s game plan of working in concert with the United Nations, NATO and the European Union to peacefully but painfully force Russia to retreat from its former province clearly stands as the most prudent path for the United States and the peace-loving world community to pursue.


1questionreality(247 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago


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2repeaters(197 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The President has taken 'executive order' and shoved his ideas and policies down the U.S. citizens throats without working with Congress and bowing to his political base. It's either his way or the highway. How do you like it Mr. President, when your on the receiving end??? From one DICTATOR to another !!!!

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3SheDevil(120 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Graham and eivo's hoped for response is to start a shooting war with Russia.

Eivo is just itching to launch drones at Putin.

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4evio(43 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

That's right. Light him up.

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5Jerryl(105 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

You are truly a jerk of monumental proportions.

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6dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

yay, lets go for 20 straight years of war. I'm sure it won't cost much and there will be no U.S. casualties. Lets not try to impose any kind of peaceful resolutions like sanctions or anything, just send in the troops.
Eivo is the first to go to war, yet never served, and won't even fly his flag. He is also a douche and disrespectful to known vets on this site! A real patriot he is. Oh yeah, but I forgot that he drops a few bucks in the Wounded Warriors Project a year, so everything is good.
Keep up the douche baggery.

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7Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It makes a lot of difference to the U.S. men and women who have to actually do the fighting.
Try sanctions and other tactics first. War should only be used as a last resort.
If you or your kids served, you may have a different mentality. Then again...

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8dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Lets not fool ourselves Eivo. Whatever Obama does, it will be wrong in your eyes. You will armchair QB him to death if he does A, B, or C. He could bomb the hell out of Russia tomorrow, and then you would crucify him for the method he did it.

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9theoldwrench(243 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Elvo Would you be satisfied if Obama did what Ike and bush did when Russia invaded the chechs and Georgia

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10Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

He did nothing. I think Georgia is still occupied by Russia. Let me double check. It has been awhile, so I'll have to research.

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11Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Please note that in August 2008, during President Bush's final months in office, a strikingly similar scenario played out when Russian forces invaded the former Soviet state of Georgia. At the time, the Bush White House sounded an awful lot like today's Obama White House. From Bush spokeswoman Dana Perino, now a Fox host:
"The United States supports Georgia's territorial integrity. We call for an immediate ceasefire. We urge all parties Georgians, south Ossetians, Russians to deescalate the tensions and to avoid conflict. We are work on mediation efforts and to secure a ceasefire, and we are urging the parties to restart their dialogue."
Yet unlike today, the Putin-led excursion in 2008 completely failed to spark the panicked rhetoric that's become Fox News' trademark since Russian troops crossed over into Ukraine last week. Notably absent from the 2008 Georgia coverage was relentless finger pointing and blaming the White House for the extreme actions of a foreign leader thousands of miles away. There was also none of the Putin cheerleading that we hear on Fox News today.
In fact, some of the Fox commentators currently stoking the flames of "crisis" were rather non-judgmental when Russian tanks moved into Georgia. "I don't think the Russians are reckless," Charles Krauthammer announced on August 8, 2008, as Russian fleets advanced into the Black Sea and Russian jets launched raids targeting government buildings in Georgia. "What they are doing here is reasserting control of this province. And when it's done, which will probably happen in a couple days, the firing will crease."
Three days later, Krauthammer insisted there was nothing for the United States to do as the crisis escalated: "Well, obviously it's beyond our control. The Russians are advancing. There is nothing that will stop them. We are not going to go to war over Georgia." Krauthammer's Fox colleague Jeff Birnbaum, agreed: "Because Georgia is not part of NATO, there's really no danger the United States or Europe will get in involved in what is really a civil war almost between--within this small part of Georgia."
Fox News' message to America then? Just relax. There's nothing the U.S. can do about Russia invading its sovereign neighbor and it will all be over soon.
Bill O'Reilly agreed with the laissez-faire analysis. "Even if President Bush wanted to help Georgia we simply don't have the ground forces to do it," said O'Reilly on August 11.
"And confronting the Russians in the air would lead to major hostilities that the USA cannot afford right now."

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12Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Well when it pertained to Bush, excuses for doing nothing were flying from Fox News. Obama does the same strategy and he is crucified by the right. It couldn't be politically motivated could it? I'm sure you didn't criticize Bush's stance on Russia then did you? Didn't Putin fear what Bush would do? Did he see weakness in Bush?

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13lajoci(227 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago



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14Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm trying to show facts to convince Eivo of anything logical...... but at this point,
Stupid is what stupid does.

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15SheDevil(120 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

eivo is the vindicator's village idiot.

Facts ! He don't need no stinking facts. That would just confuse his hallucinations.

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16Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Yep facts. All your comments are something like this.....

Maybe the Liar can draw a line in the sand. Or, Harry Reid should put it to a vote. Or repeal the Liars Obamacare. Or 98% of racism is imagined. Or Obama is going to change the law so he can run again for a third term. Or if SSM is allowed, people will want to marry their dogs. Or Bridgegate was just rush hour traffic.
Or Bennnnnnghaaaaazzzzzi!!!
Those are great facts alright.

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17Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

so nothing in my #16 post happened? Those people didn't say those things, and Bush didn't do any of that? Do you think that I just wrote all of that as my opinion or talking points? Of course not every post is entirely fact based, but opinion. But when you are presented with facts, you just change the topic, ignore them, don't believe them because they aren't from Fox News, or just can't comprehend them. Or if all the prementioned fails, you just yell BENGHAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZI.

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1876Ytown(1239 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The Budapest Memorandum

With friends like us, who needs enemies?




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19Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

whats your point 76? We should go and are obligated to go to war today with Russia?

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2076Ytown(1239 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

We're not obligated if you read the agreement.

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2176Ytown(1239 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago


Repub: #16 and #27 "Do you think that I just wrote all of that as my opinion or talking points?"

Your cut and paste sources weren't cited. Can you say "plagiarism"?

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22Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Ok on #31. And of course it was cut and pasted. Plagiarism, really? You never cut and pasted anything? I could probably find about 40 of your 800 comments on Obamacare which was cut and pasted. I will go back and find the source and add footnotes if that will make you happy. I don't want to be turned into the anal retentive plagiarism society.

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23Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

There you go. Now since it wasn't from Fox, you can say it didn't happen.


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24evio(43 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Well, well, well .....

What about Whitewaterrrrrrrrrrrrr!

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25Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I love Evio #2. ***

*** I don't want plagiarize, I think someone else might have said that previously. I'll have to research and give them full credit.

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26theoldwrench(243 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

@repubs Thank you for the FACTS @elvo Koch brothers? Ok 1982 Beirut 240 marines dead who was sent to prison all Reagan did was turn tail and runnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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27eevo(51 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It was from bad intel from the Carter administration!

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28Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

ok eivo, here is coverage from when Russia invaded Georgia. The link is from one of the same sources that 76 posted, so I hope it is sufficient. There are some highlights from the coverage prior to the link.
President Bush warned Mr Putin of his 'grave concern' about the 'disproportionate' military intervention at a face-to-face meeting in Beijing yesterday.
His Vice-President Dick Cheney also personally called the Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili over the weekend to reassure him his country has U.S backing.
Amid fears Moscow intends to seize the whole country to gain control of its crucial oil pipelines, Mr Cheney declared Russian military action 'must not go unanswered'.
In a statement, he added: 'Its continuation would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States, as well as the broader international community.'
Russia appeared to be totally defying the U.S. warning today, with Georgia claiming up to 50 Russian jets were roaming its skies ready to strike.


Sounds like he drew a line in the sand and when Putin defied the U.S., he did nothing. But yet Obama has already organized sanctions, sent naval ships, and military planes to the area. Even in this time of international turmoil, the GOP is playing politics and it trying to undermind him and his credibility. That gives Putin even more authority. Shoot, it even sounded like Palin has a crush on Putin.

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29Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Plagiarism!!! Where is your source? Come on 76, don't let him get away with this! So, your stance then eivo is that Russia wasn't at fault then, that is why Georgie and Dick didn't do anything? Well then why the statements from Bush and Cheney backing Georgia and making threats to Russia?

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30theoldwrench(243 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

@elvo With all the adoration and respect that you and fox give to putin one would think you would prefer to live under a communist party rule

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31eevo(51 comments)posted 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I would rather have A bare chested Putin any day .

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32eevo(51 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Unless he is shirtless, on horseback, holding a rifle. Edge Putin.

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33dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Eivo, what does that mean? Were you trying to spell RESPECT? Are you stating that you respect Putin? It's hard enough to figure out what you are saying when you write in complete sentences, then you just come out with RSPECT as we are to know what you are talking about.
I see you have a man crush for Putin. Maybe you can start flying a Russian commie flag outside of your house since you refuse to fly Old Glory!

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34dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Oh, Obama didn't spell it correctly, I just seen it on tv. You were ahead of the game because it was probably played on a loop as "Breaking News" on Fox News ALL MORNING. First time that ever happened to a president huh. I bet he can say NUCLEAR correctly, and doesn't use words like misunderestimate or stategery. Then there was Quayle with Potatoe. You had your laugh,now go back to raising up your Russia flag.

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35eevo(51 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

The Liar needs to impose sanctions on Russia immediately by stopping the imports of all shirts. I heart Putin.

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36lajoci(227 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago





benghazi . . .

irs . . .

b . . .en . . .g . . .

i . . . r . . .


Ppppppfffffffffftttttttttt . . . .

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37eevo(51 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I hope Putin runs for President. The GOP authored a bill to allow him to, but Harry Reid won't even allow it to come to a vote!

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38thinkthentalk(260 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Hey, it just might happen. Fox has this treasonous bromance with the guy.
Rudy Guliani has this man-crush on him...
Christie is toast, so now Putin is the flavor of the month candidate for president.

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39dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

And the sorry part of your statement is that you are happy about it eivo! Maybe there is some truth to some of these post! You and your fellow GOP flock, are in fact in love with Putin. I remember a while past, if you spoke about not wanting to be in a war with Iraq, you were labeled as UNPATRIOTIC! Now you can rant and rave about a communist leader and be happy if he defies our President, and that is totally acceptable. Got to love that mentality.

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40eevo(51 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

If you put Putin against the Liar in 2016, I will check Putin every time. Obamacare doesn't even compare to Russia's health care system. Plus he will replace food stamps with loaves of bread only.

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41lajoci(227 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

So, the vitriol of the rightwing-nuts is so toxic that they prefer treason (as opposed to supporting their own President in matters of foreign policy)?

Holy Benedict Arnold, FatMan!

Is this not taking the old, tired, paranoid bromide, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," a little too, too far?

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42dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Sounds like you already picked one to support.

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43DwightK(1256 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Isn't this Europe's problem? If Crimea votes to secede and join the Russian Federation, do we really care? How does this affect us? People are being systematically starved and tortured in North Korea and every president since Truman has done nothing. Why would we care about this?

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44dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I couldn't agree with you more Dwight. Not only Crimea, but everywhere in the world. Somewhere along the line, the US became the world police and humanitarian country to everyone. All of these other countries butt out of things not pertaining to them and they seem to manage quite nicely. When do you hear about Sweden coming on the news and saying Russia, you can't do this? Or Switzerland is sending in troops to Africa to assist BFE in a humanitarian effort. We need to just take care of ourselves for a change. Now if it can directly affect us, such as countries with nuclear weapons, then okay, but even then, it seems hypocritical that we can say, "we can have nukes, but you aren't allowed to".

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45theoldwrench(243 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Let's do what palin wants and NUKE em and blame it on Obama !!!!!

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46theoldwrench(243 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

elvo How many Americans have died in any crisis started since Obama took office???????

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47eevo(51 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Millions because the Liar has taken away their healthcare and they died. At this point, what difference does it make?

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48lajoci(227 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

"What difference does it make?" referred to the question of who killed them, not, as Republicans and their allies, the Baggers, want us to believe, namely, the fact that they were killed.

The hatred of the rightwing-nuts for this President can be explained only as a function of their blatant racism.

Their use of the term "arrogance" to describe the President is a case in point. Be honest, baggers! What you mean is that he is "uppity," right?

And nobody likes an uppity n****r, right?

Because an uppity n****r just doesn't know his place, right? And needs to be put IN his place, right?

So why don't you just be honest and say you don't like the fact that there is a n****r in the White House? Fess up!

We all know what you really mean, anyway.

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4976Ytown(1239 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

lajoci: Actually, it does not make one bit of difference what color the president is. I find your rant repulsive.

Personally, I wouldn't care what color or race or heritage a person comes from as long as they have the following qualities: Integrity, honesty, trustworthy, intelligence, leadership, courage, common sense, empathy, good moral character, respect for our values, put our country's needs before others, hardworking, strives to make this nation stronger and better while protecting its people from harm. Insure that future generations are provided the same securities as past generations.

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50SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

I was hoping that you would return to


To answer a question

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51lajoci(227 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Come on, baggers! Be at least a LITTLE bit honest?

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you people have been around for at least as long as I have.

If that's true, you would have lived through all or part of the administrations
of #33-#44. That's twelve presidents from Truman to Obama.

I have never, in all that time, EVER heard the word "arrogant" used as an adjective to describe any of those other 11 presidents.

In fact, I have never heard the word "arrogant" ever used to describe any other president, nor have I ever seen it doggedly repeated in any history, biography, current affairs, or political science book or article on any other president.


But almost as soon as this president was elected he was branded as "arrogant" by his opponents, and I hear the word or see it in print on an almost daily basis -- every time I tune in FauxNews, every time I listen to Ryan or Rush, in short, every time I read or listen to political commentary from the right-wingnuts, or have a face-to-face political discussion with Republican friends.

Every time . Never fails.

NONE of the other 43 presidents, just this one. One out of 44.

And the word continues to be repeated over and over in a most disrespectful (and, in the case of the right-wingnuts' effusive praise for V. Putin, treasonous)way.

It stinks to high heaven of the racism at the right-wingnuts' rotten core, which would be totally exposed had they used the term they really wanted to use -- "uppity."

So spare me your pious indignation over my "rant."

The use of the term "arrogant" speaks volumes about the contempt the right-wingnuts have had and still have toward this president.

And it is an a priori contempt, a filter through which they view each and every policy initiative, each and every act of office, each and every speech, interview -- in short, every move he makes.

And it stinks. And it should stop. It is inappropriate in a serious political discussion.

Krauthammer used it the other night, and he should be ashamed, he should apologize, and he should confine his commentary to the facts, rather than speculation about the president's "attitude."

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52lajoci(227 comments)posted 6 months, 1 week ago

Funny you mention that.

I Googled George W. Bush arrogance, and the first page was filled with Bush's own quotes, like this one:

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."
George W. Bush, August, 2002.

And this:

''If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.''
—President-elect George W. Bush, at a photo-op with congressional leaders during his first trip to Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000.

And this:

''This is an impressive crowd — the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base.''
—George W. Bush, at the annual Al Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner, Oct. 19, 2000.

. . . and on and on. There was, however, no entire cable "news"network in 2000-2008 hammering the label "arrogant" to Bush's forehead every time he signed one of his 800 signing statements, or 250 executive orders. If he was called arrogant, he brought the title on himself, and even used it on himself.

In any case, it was NEVER woven into every single political commentary and applied to every single act of office the way it has been regarding President Obama.

By the way, your quote, "These are not abstractions. They are the legacy of this grim epoch, one that should be equally offensive to conservatives and liberals. George Bush promised humility and delivered arrogance. The next president must not." appeared in the LA TIMES in 2008, at THE END of Bush's time in office.

He was not badgered with the adjective throughout his service, on a daily basis, even before he was inaugurated.

So spare me the phony comparisons, along with the pious indignation and fake outrage. You can't whine "They did it, too." when "they" didn't.

The right-wingnuts cannot abide an uppity n****r, an arrogant schwartze, in the "White" House.


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53JRBYoungstown(44 comments)posted 6 months ago

If Obama was a dictator you would not be able to safely critisize him on your fat a$$ in front of a computer. Some people should have paid attention in high school social studies class.

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54Elf2(75 comments)posted 6 months ago

you said" If one criticizes Obama he will get a knock on the door from the IRS or from Holder with a felony charge."

If that were really the case, the IRS and/or Holder would be parked in your driveway.

And if you think that you anonymity is protected, just realize that all your posts are trackable through your IP address.

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55lajoci(227 comments)posted 6 months ago

You're quoting Joe Guzzardi???? (who was actually quoting former Republican operative Kevin Phillips)??? in ONE obscure article???? from ONE on-line source????


How long did it take you to dig that one up?

I found an entire page of right-wingnut rants about Obama's so-called "arrogance" in about .0003 seconds.

Seriously, the word "arrogance" has been the can tied to Obama's tail since before the inauguration, precisely because the n****r-haters didn't think Obama was a sufficiently shuckin'-and-jivin', deferential colored boy, who understood "his place."

So they played both sides of the street, offering a two-headed Janus of an assessment: Obama was arrogant when he tried to exercise the prerogatives and powers of the office of President of the United States, but he was, somehow, simultaneously weak, as evidenced by their assessment of his performance on the international stage.

So, there you go: arrogant and dictatorial, and yet weak and ineffective.

Which is it? Or do you get to have it both ways?

(Note to myself: Where did you ever get the idea you could reason with these people, who seem to think that every call is "Heads, I win; tails, you lose?")

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5676Ytown(1239 comments)posted 6 months ago

lajoci: Search Bing and you get 1,150,000 results for Bush arrogance and 1,320,000 results for Bush dictator.

Your above racist references to "uppity _____" is something that you've chosen to interject and it extremely offensive. Re-read my reply in post #71.

Disagreement with the direction this administration have taken this country has NOTHING to do with race.

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57Sane1(24 comments)posted 6 months ago


You do realize that the 1,320,000 hits that you got on bush dictator also includes articles when he met with, or criticized etc a dictator.

Search by phase "bush dictator" yields 46 hits.

I agree with your taking offense to the racial references of lajoci. Totally provocative.

On your last comment, about disagreement not being racially based; I will accept that YOUR disagreement is founded without regard to race.

Have spent some significant time in the rural southland of this great country in the past several years I can confidently tell you that there are a great many who will - if asked- pull no punches and tell you that their hatred of Obama is based exclusively on his color and not knowing his place. It's very sad, I just nod and walk away.

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5876Ytown(1239 comments)posted 6 months ago

Sane: Only 45 hits? I tried again and got 17,100 results using quotes around bush dictator ("bush dictator") Anyway, the point is that both presidents have been called dictators and arrogant. Unfortunately, some people can't complete a sentence without injecting the "f" word or the "n" word. I'd also agree that there are still some that hate because of race and the history shows that ignorance all over the world and it's not just race but also religion.

But overall, there was a huge number of people of all race, creed and color that voted for him who have changed their mind about the direction he's leading our country

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59Sane1(24 comments)posted 6 months ago

Hits - interesting. When I searched Bing w/o quotes for bush dictator it matched your original 1.32 million.

Tried it again (just now) with quotes and still only got 45. So I tried the phrase (with quotes) on other engines:
Search.com 17,100
yahoo 17,700
Google 3,540
Bing 45
AOL 3,350

No point, just a interesting comparison, can't explain why your Bing is 17,100 and mine is 45.

Otherwise, ".....NOTHING to do with race", were your words. I'm taking the position that things are hardly ever that absolute.

Maybe it's the "moderate" in me.

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60Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months ago

Some of you here probably don't really care about the race issue, but rather political policies and social issues etc... Then there are some that are totally delusional and think that racism is 98% imagined. I hear it on a daily basis. Not comments that could be construed as being racist, but are blatantly racist. While running for office during the first election, I heard the comments and jokes about if we get a black president. I think some, not all of of congress, have the same views. They probably sit around together at their members only country club and make the same comments. So you are crazy if you think race has NO part in the hatred of this Prez by many.

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61Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months ago

Well I personally I think you are living in a bubble, or walk around with headphones on all day. I would like to hear comments from other posters, both from the left and right on whether they hear racist remarks, jokes, or off the cuff remarks in their daily or weekly interactions with others, or if I am the only one. Not that is your beliefs, just if you hear it. And before it is stated, I am fully aware that other races make the same comments about whites. I'm just curious if this is just occurring in my little circle or everywhere.

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62Sane1(24 comments)posted 6 months ago

see above: "I Have spent some significant time in the rural southland of this great country in the past several years I can confidently tell you that there are a great many who will - if asked- pull no punches and tell you that their hatred of Obama is based exclusively on his color and not knowing his place. It's very sad, I just nod and walk away."

I have heard "jokes" or comments about Obama's failures being due to being of Kenyan descent, the suggestion that blacks are inherently intellectually challenged, that.....

Admittedly, the frequency of these "comments" are much less in NE Ohio (thankfully), but they do exist there in our community.

Generally where I have witnessed this are in bars or golf course club rooms or the like, and where the speakers are relatively confident that their mates (usually guys) are already of the same thinking.

And yes, I heard disparaging remarks about George W. Bush but it never was about race.

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63Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 6 months ago

@sane, thanks, but I'm not even talking specifically about Obama. When someone tells me racism doesn't exist, or I am perceiving racism where there is not any, it starts to make me wonder if it is only happening around me.

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64SeriouslyNow(192 comments)posted 6 months ago

evio says racism is imaginary. Interesting concept.

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65eevo(51 comments)posted 6 months ago

I forgot to mention that the 1% of white on black racism is entirely from the KKK.
The 2% of black on white racism is from the 4 black guys at the YMCA against me when I play basketball with them. They won't pass me the ball.
The rest is imagined.

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66Truth4Life(33 comments)posted 6 months ago

There is one VERY serious flaw in this article and in the many pro war posts above - Russia did NOT invade Ukraine. If you troubled yourselves to read the news, you would know Crimeans took a democratic vote to secede because part of the Ukrainian government has a historic fascist bent.

Please re-write the article, put in a new title, and revise all the posts to comply with the facts rather than the emotionalism shown by the writer and the right wingers here.

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67dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 6 months ago

@truth. This artical is old, before Crimea took their vote to join Russia. The vote took place while Russia had troops in Crimea. Unless you are referring to something else.

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68JoeFromHubbard(1038 comments)posted 6 months ago

Wow !

A good old fashioned gun fight going on here.

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69GTX66(343 comments)posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

Obama is an empty suit full of threats without consequences. We should however stay out of this dispute. Russia unlike Iraq and Afghanistan has nukes and the ability to used them. Obama needs to cease and desist making idle threats.The US has no interests in The Ukraine, let some country in the EU do something for a change.

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70GTX66(343 comments)posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

All of you Dumbocrats do is Blame Bush. Bush is no longer in the White House. It is time to stop blaming him for everything and time for BO and the rest of you left wing moochers to take responsibility for your own actions or lack there of!

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71dontbeafool(901 comments)posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

GTX, I agree with certain points. I think we should stay out of this militarily. Sometimes a bark or sanctions may be effective enough to get the job done though, so why not try it? If Putin says, I don't care, then oh well, let the other countries in that region come to their support. It seems like McCain has the biggest problem with us doing nothing about the situation over there for some reason. As far as blaming Bush, I didn't see hardly any comments in this thread blaming Bush about this. Maybe the comparison was made about what Bush did in the Russia/Georgia situation, but he has nothing to do with this. Also you could make your points, having the same effect,without the Dumbocrat and moocher comments.

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72eevo(51 comments)posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

The Liar had the IRS create the Flight 370 conspiracy and then ordered the left wing media to cover the made up story 24/7 so they wouldn't cover Bennnnnghaaaaazi. Don't ask questions or you will be audited.

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73southsidedave(4780 comments)posted 5 months, 4 weeks ago

More $USD going somewhere, anywhere, but here at home...really a shame the US cannot take care of its own.

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