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Are there any moral judges left who will oppose gay marriage?



Published: Mon, June 23, 2014 @ 12:00 a.m.

Are there any moral judges left who will oppose gay marriage?

I read this newspaper day after day, week after week, and ask myself: Is there going to be even one judge in this whole country who will have the decency and courage to lead by saying no to this abomination of same-sex marriage, this mocking of God’s law?

Are these judges’ positions so important in this world that they will sacrifice their own immortal soul, not to mention many other souls who will be affected by their wrongful decision (mainly children)? They are bringing down the judgment of God on this country. I guess they think Sodom and Gomorrah was fable.

This sin is so abominable in the eyes of God that it is one of the four sins crying to Heaven for vengeance. Anyone who is bold enough to be involved and allow by this jurisdiction something like this to go on, having no fear of almighty God, is truly more than foolish.

There is a place called hell, and many people do go there. At the end of life, every one of us, even the ones who deny God and his laws, are going to be judged and answer to him.

I ask again, is there even one judge in this, our beloved country, who will stand up for God and his law? I pray to God there is more than that.

Margaret Marsh, Youngstown

Liberty residents blackmailed

A RECENT editorial contains an interesting sentence. “In Liberty Township, residents this May approved one of the few additional levies that passed in the Valley to repair a plethora of pockmarked township roads.”

Really? Is that what you think happened? The trustees cried poor and blackmailed the taxpayers into a new tax with threats of unfilled potholes and crumbling roads.

No money was available for repairs, but there was plenty of money for a 4 percent pay raise for road department employees. I wonder how many township homeowners got a 4 percent raise this year.

Don Johnson, Liberty


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1billdog1(1230 comments)posted 3 months ago

Margaret, please tell us all how what another does is any of your business. I don't agree with many things in the world, but if it doesn't directly effect me, it is none of my business. Try removing your judgmental hate, and do as Jesus said, "Turn the other cheek."

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2jrolley325(800 comments)posted 3 months ago

Its not a judge's job to decide what is morally right or wrong. It's their job to decide whether a law is constitutional or not. Stop trying to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of the country. Gay people getting married has zero effect on my life and zero effect on yours. Just let people happily live their lives.

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3rickking123(292 comments)posted 3 months ago

Billdog if it doesn't affect you then you say it's none of your business. So why then did you feel compelled to make a comment?

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4JoMarko(49 comments)posted 3 months ago

Don what a silly letter. Instead of blathering about your beliefs in myths, superstition and ancient manuscripts you should familiarize yourself with the U.S. Constitution. There is a reason nearly all the judges are ruling the same way. Read about the Equal Protection Clause and the Full Faith and Credit Clause and I'm not talking Santa Clause or any other of you imaginary friends. The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land not your vision of Christian Taliban sharia law.

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5JoMarko(49 comments)posted 3 months ago

What a silly letter. Instead of blathering about your beliefs in myths, superstition and ancient manuscripts you should familiarize yourself with the U.S. Constitution. There is a reason nearly all the judges are ruling the same way. Read about the Equal Protection Clause and the Full Faith and Credit Clause and I'm not talking Santa Clause or any other of you imaginary friends. The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land not your vision of Christian Taliban sharia law.

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6palmer16121(116 comments)posted 3 months ago

Wow, Margret, haven't you heard of the 14th Amendment? Are you that hung up on LGBT couples getting married to an obsession? I am half-tempted to ask what's going on in your marriage that is causing these feelings of ill will. The courts are doing exactly what needed to had been done, and they're correctly interpreting the 14th amendment. There are other clauses and Amendments. In fact Same-Sex Marriage bans are against the 1st Amendment since there are churches that will marry LGBT couples, and also against Article 4, section 1 the Full Faith and Credit Clauses...plus a whole mess of Supreme Court decisions, including Loving v. Virginia, Lawrence v. Texas, the Windsor decision, Brown V. Board of Education, etc. I would suggest you read a history book because you're using the same arguments that were tried against women's rights, minority rights, the ending of slavery, and young people getting the right to vote.

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7jrolley325(800 comments)posted 3 months ago

When dogs can consent and sign their name on a piece of paper, then you can use that argument. Until then its still the same irrelevant bs you like to spew on here on a daily basis.

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8tnmartin(235 comments)posted 3 months ago

and we shall no doubt next hear that it is unfair and a violation of "equal rights" that some people have a Ph.D. while others do not, to be followed by demands to mail the certificates to all who achieve age 22 or something. Why not? No sillier that some of the arguments we hear.
Next up: petitions to repeal, or at last modify, the law of gravity. It's so unfair that things fall down. Again, no sillier.
FIRE these idiot judges!

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9billdog1(1230 comments)posted 3 months ago

The same reason you did Rick King.

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10eevo(51 comments)posted 3 months ago

I don't need a marriage license to have relations with my dog. Don't call me steivo anymore, call me Howard Stern, because I make stupid comments to shock and bait people to get mad. My next comment will be, "I don't even know who Howard Stern is."

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11walter_sobchak(1910 comments)posted 3 months ago

palmer
I have heard of the 14th amendment and the equal protection clause and it definitely applies here. But, no one is prohibiting any person to enter into a marriage as has been legally and morally defined for centuries as the union of one man and one woman in which they become husband and wife, with the exception of incestual relationships.

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12Not_Gilligans_Ginger(129 comments)posted 3 months ago

JS, the gay crowd, as you refer to fellow humans, have not always been in your face. Many kept their relationships hidden for decades. People fear what they do not understand. Instead of judging, JS and Margaret, why don't you speak to some gays and listen to them? They're no different than you or I. Furthermore, get your dirty minds out of their bedrooms... You have no business in anyone's bedroom but your own.

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13ojanet22(134 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

It's none of my business what consenting adults want to do. It doesn't hurt anyone for a gay couple to be married.

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14tnmartin(235 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

sigh. Yes it does hurt anyone.
First, stop using the word "gay". It's false advertising, at best. Most homosexuals -- and I've known a bunch -- are pretty miserable actually. Look up the suicide rate some time. Or any one of the several indices of personal happiness. Building a life out of loathsome behavior builds up no one, it consumes a person and leaves nothing but a hollow shell. Sad to see, actually. The correct term is "homosexual". If you wish to add the term "deviant" to that, you would be correct.
Second, damaging the language hurts everyone. Most would be upset if someone determined to change the word "arsenic" to "candy". We use words to convey meanings. Marriage already has a meaning, largely understood by people in all nations and cultures and throughout history. One man, one woman. Period. Oh, and it normally means particularly in Western culture -- particularly where the "progressives" haven't stunk up the place - for life. Compare that with the documented behavior in the homosexual community. Sexual involvement patterns go far beyond promiscuity, in regions that the most avid "player" in the local "meat market" bars can only fantasize.
If two homosexuals wish to engage in bad behavior behind closed doors, have at it. But don't expect sane people to approve, don't expect us to celebrate it, and don't expect decent people to rearrange the entire culture so you can feel good about yourself.
Finally, a word about the term "pride" as used by the deviants. It's indicative of a larger rot in the society. What there really should be is the word shame. We should be ashamed of bad behavior, our own and in the culture. Lots to be said in favor of shame. Among other things, it can lead to repentance, a worthy element of all of our lives.

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1576Ytown(1242 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

tnmartin - excellent post!

There is a spiritual battle going on for our lives and souls.

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16cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

It seems to me that the main difference between normal straight people and homophobes is that normal straight people don't spend any time thinking about gay sex, but with homophobes, it's all they think about. Makes you wonder.

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17pileated(18 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Walter try facts over fear, loathing and animus:

In the journal of the French skeptic and essayist, Michel De Montaigne (1580-1581), he recorded Portuguese same-sex marriages celebrated in a nuptial mass in Rome:

".......They married one another, male to male, at Mass, with the same ceremonies with which we perform our marriages, read the same gospel service, and then went to bed and lived together. ... ."

Lakota chief Crazy Horse had one or two male spouse(s) and many other Native American nations also have had what we now call same-sex marriages. Ethnographers have documented these and many more: Omahas, Zapotecs, Mohaves, Crow, Hidatsa, Ojibwa, Winnebago, Yuma, Timucua, ... . Other cultures too: In 17th century Fukian Province China, same-sex marriages between gay men were common. And in West Africa, "woman marriage[s]" --was practiced by many nations.

1552: In the "History of the Indies," Francisco Lopez de Gomara documents
men are marrying other men in the Indies (Caribbean Islands).

"In 1542, one of the earliest Spanish explorers in Florida, Cabeza de
Vaca, reported on his previous five years among the Timucua Indians:

"During the time I was thus among these people I saw a devilish thing,
and it is that I saw one man married to another." ... ."
From: "A Normal Man," --- "The Spirit and the Flesh" by Walter L. Williams, 1986.

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18pileated(18 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

tnmartin, try facts over animus, fear and loathing:

A 2006 study by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that "38.2 percent of men between ages 20 and 39 and 32.6 percent of women ages 18 to 44 engage in heterosexual anal sex."

" 'The argument that the definition of marriage should remain the same for the definition’s sake is a circular argument, not a rational justification,' Judge Jeffery White wrote in his decision."

The word "marriage" came from the French word "marier" which means to join and a suffix "-age" which means a state of being or condition. When combined, "marriage" means any joining with permanence---such as marrying/joining together: two males; two bottles of wine; two females; two lengths of rope; a male and a female; two bottles of mustard; two boards or wood; ....ad infinitum.
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And for Margie Marsh:

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C," and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism." [Senator Barry Goldwater]

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19tnmartin(235 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

first, one truly doubts that concocted term of "homophobia" has any real meaning. "homodisgustia" might be closer to reality, most people recoil in disgust from accurate accounts of the detailed specific actions of homosexual sodomites. With good reason. Few people would locate their intimate activities in a toxic waste pipe. Your mileage may vary.
Second, the "studies" being cited are, to be polite, highly questionable. You can do a lot in conducting a survey to skew the results in a desired direction just be the simple means of carefully contrived wording of questions, and also by pre-selecting your survey population. Some may recall, as one example, the Kinsey report of past years. It was used to justify all manner of bad behaviors on the specious grounds, as here, that "everyone is doing it". Turned out that some of the populations were definitely not representative of the population at large: they were taken in prisons. Well, one of the real issues that should shame us all is the widespread awareness of, and de facto acceptance of, homosexual rape in prisons. there is much that can and should be said on that matter, but it does not represent the practices and preferences of the majority of the population.
now, have some percentage of people engaged at one time or another in bad actions? No doubt. We've all seen people get intoxicated and do things that they probably would not have done while sober. (another reason to avoid such intoxicants, but that's a separate issue). Ask any cops that you might know about some of the things they've observed, without names. Might be astonished. I've done stupid things too, though not this particular behavior. That's a very long way from asserting that this is somehow a legitimate preference.
Finally, some of us remember our mothers' words: "if everyone else jumped off a cliff, does that mean you have to as well?". I realize that it's not popular to say so, but morality, the definitions of right and wrong, are not up for a vote. You don't have to like that, any more than you have to like the value of the gravitational constant. But it is what it is. Ignoring that standard brings nothing but heartache. I have reason to know.

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20eevo(51 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Someone wake me up when Tn is done babbling.

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21pileated(18 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Homo-loathers try reality for a change instead of mendacity:

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."

----Aldous Huxley

tnmartin you're barking up the wrong tree:

A 2006 study by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that "38.2 percent of men between ages 20 and 39 and 32.6 percent of women ages 18 to 44 engage in heterosexual anal sex."

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Dept of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens: Researchers investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward gay people. Participants were a group of homophobic men and a group of
nonhomophobic men based on their scores on the Index of Homophobia.
The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, gay male, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored.

Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and lesbian videos. Only the homophobic men showed an
increase in penile erection to gay male (porn) video stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently
associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.

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22cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

pleated....I totally believe what you are saying about the homophobes being into gay porn. Just read the posts on this site, it's the same people over and over again who are obsessed with gay sex and sex with animals. It's all they talk about when the subject of gays comes up.

I have no problem with gays getting married and the thought of gay sex never enters my mind. Ever since gays have been allowed to marry there has been absolutely no affect on my life, nothing. No one should ever be discriminated against. It's pretty obvious that the people that hate gays but are so focused on gay sex and sex with animals have some serious issues. Maybe if they go to texas they can be cured.

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23LtMacGowan(643 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

you do realize that everyone of us here were originally female? at approximately 9-11 weeks in the womb a fetus with the XY genes will develop as a man through testosterone, but its too big to cross the blood brain barrier on its own so it uses a form of estrogen. Its in this process that so many things can go wrong, Intersex, Hermaphroditism, lack of any sexual organ development at all. This is still Psychology's best idea as to where homosexuality, and gender identity disorder originate.

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24kurtw(856 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

@tnmartin- "homodisgustia". Good phrase- about sums it up. Of course, I know some heteros who prefer anal sex too. One guy I know said he won't fraternize with any woman unless she agrees to have anal sex with him. My thought, at the time, was, I hope he gives her an enema first. It IS disgusting- the thought of having sex with a sewer pipe.

Good comments, TN. I'm glad you're using an alias, otherwise you might find yourself in need of a new picture window tomorrow. "Gay" activists can be anything but gay- downright vicious. (We shouldn't forget that a high percentage of the Nazi Leadership in the SA and SS were gay- some of the most violent and bloodthirsty men in history. The idea of changing our definition of marriage to include them is ludicrous.)

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25hugenpb(1 comment)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

"I ask again, is there even one judge in this, our beloved country, who will stand up for God and his law?"

I think you're asking the wrong question. As a Christian I cannot help but to understand your moral question although it is OT based; but as an individual I cannot help to wonder why you support a political figure dictating personal behavior.

The correct question is: "Do I want a another person to determine that an activity I engage in is now unacceptable? Do I want the government to tell me what I cannot do if it harms no other person?"

I say no. Unless your actions impose undue harm to threat to another, they are not the duty of government to impose as a restriction. Gay marriage, as an example, does no harm to you.

Paul Hugenberg
Libertarian Party of Ohio
Central Committee Member
District 13

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26tnmartin(235 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

moral agenda is the basis of basic law. That leaves out parking regs, but the path from "thou shalt not do murder" to laws against murder is pretty straightforward. Ditto those against theft and others.The path from some Old Testament strictures regarding weights and measures are reflected in Bureau of Standards rules today.
Freedom of choice does not entitle you to make marks on paper and call them $50 bills. Anybody have any arguments on these, or would some prefer that they define a pound however they wish? I think that's an outgrowth of moral agenda against lying. Or shall we permit perjury, since that's an outgrowth of moral agenda?
Words have meaning. Societies come to consenus on the meanings of those words. "Arsenic" means something. "Candy" means something else. And "marriage" means a formal union of one man and one woman. If you wish to invent a new word to mean the affiliation of two or more homosexuals in an arrangement that lasts as long as is convenient, have at it. That by no means is license to debase the plain meaning of another word. Having temper tantrums and pouting when 98% of the society dos not engage in, nor wish to, bad behavior, makes the pouters look like self absorbed spoiled brats. Which may be part of the root cause.
While we're at it, a clear eye and plain words regarding the details of sodomy isn't "hate". It's reality. Evidently the truth hurts.

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27stievo(17 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

@tnmartin, you are absolutely correct that morality is the basis for our laws. Another great post!!! For example, the Afrdable Care Act is a law which does the morally correct thing, which is provide health care for the poor and those in need. Have the rich pay a little more to help out the poor and less fortunate. Matthew 19:24. I admire your unselfishness and good morals.

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28arteesto2(3 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

In the garden of Eden, God created Adam. From Adam, he created Eve. That was it. Their duty was to make children and begin POPULATING the world that he created. He did not create another male for Adam or another female for Eve....ENOUGH SAID?!

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29IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

After having read both articles above by Ms. Marsh and Mr. Johnson and hearing both of them whining and crying about how unfair the world is treating them, I realize that I'm fortunate not to be so crazy to let everything in the world bother me.

I recently heard that two men on the Liberty Township Road Department used their 4 percent raise to marry each other. There names are Adam & Steve, just like in the Bible!!!

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30kurtw(856 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

re: JS "To just say no to the gay way is now considered hate speech!" Good Point! The biggest "corruption" we now face is the corruption of language by the Left- not just in this but in every other area: race relations - criticize a Black and you're a "racist"; call for Border Security to stop wetbacks and you're "anti-immigration"; ask for a strong national defense and you're a "militarist"; say you like a big juicy hamburger and you rile the PETA crowd; call for an expanding economy- to provide jobs for the layabouts on Uncle Sam's Big Plantation (which, of course, they won't accept)- and you're a Polluter who want's to wreck the environment - the List is Endless- whatever the Left want's to do is Holy and Sacred- Untouchable- and if you criticize their Agenda you get attacked.

It seems to me that calling a Male Homosexual a Sodomite is just Plain Speech describing their behavior- a lot more accurate than "Gay"- but, then again, these are the same people who refuse to call a Terrorist a terrorist- a description of what they do- preferring the wish-washy (and inaccurate) "Militarist" instead. Every part of language touched by Lefties gets corrupted.

P.S. I like to collect books and I look for old ones in flea markets. Recently I came across a volume by the New York actress Cornelia Otis Skinner (long dead) published in 1942 and describing a trip to Europe she and a girlfriend made in the twenties when they were both in their late teens. (A great read). The Title of that Book: "When our Hearts were Young and Gay". Gay! Remember what that word Used to mean- "happy" "lighthearted", etc- before it was corrupted by the Left to describe Homosexuals.

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