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Obama made right decision in securing release of POW

Published: Sat, June 7, 2014 @ 12:00 a.m.

2With that clear statement, Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, addressed one of the overriding issues surrounding the release of Bergdahl by the Taliban.

But, the general’s statement has not, and will not, appease President Barack Obama’s critics who contend he gave up too much to bring the American soldier home.

The U.S. handed over five high-level militants detained in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to the government of Qatar. The militants are prohibited from traveling outside Qatar for a year.

But Republicans, in particular, contend that the details surrounding Bergdahl’s separation from his unit in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan suggest that this country paid too high a price.

Indeed, former members of the unit have been vocal in their criticism of the Hailey, Idaho, resident, saying he walked away because he was disillusioned with the war and, thus, abandoned his colleagues and the Army. They also contend that he jeopardized the lives of other soldiers who went searching for him in enemy territory.

Though Bergdahl’s former colleagues have legitimate concerns, members of Congress and others who have pounced on the president are doing so for political gain.

What if Obama had decided not to make the deal and Bergdahl had died in captivity? These same critics would now be accusing him of not understanding his role as the commander in chief and not appreciating the ethos of the military that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Dempsey, talked about.

Whatever the circumstances of Bergdahl’s separation from his unit, the fact remains that he was a prisoner of war and, therefore, was the responsibility of this nation.

That said, there are other issues surrounding the return of the sergeant the administration must address, foremost of which is the failure of the White House to notify Congress of the release of captives from Guantanamo.

60-day notice

The law requires a 60-day notice, but administration officials contend there wasn’t time because concerns about Bergdahl’s health and the sensitivity of the negotiations required quick action.

Congressional hearings are underway, and while Republicans and Democrats have taken the White House to task for not following the law, lawmakers have an obligation to avoid turning the proceedings into a political circus.

There are important constitutional and ethical questions that must be addressed — which will require members of Congress to demonstrate a level of thoughtful deliberation that has been sorely lacking on Capitol Hill.

The other issue that must be addressed has to do with Bergdahl’s duty as a soldier.

Gen. Dempsey has said the Army could still charge Bergdahl with desertion and other violations of his sworn oath as a soldier after an investigation is conducted.

Members of Congress should take care not to impede or undermine the Army’s investigation.


1newsmaker1(127 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

They had the last 5 years to make a deal, Obama wants the Veteran's Administration scandal off the front page. That's the real story

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2handymandave(474 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago


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3Knightcap(699 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Just one muslim helping another muslim, and then getting 5 more muslim combatants free to fight against the USA again. Win win win for the Muslim Brotherhood.

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4borylie(790 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

The Vindicator should be ashamed. Every time the republicans try to hold President Obama accountable for his actions or lack of action, the media shows its bias and tries to shield this guy from any criticism. How many scandals or dubious events can this guy manufacture before the media does their job?

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5parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Hey boys, EVERYTHING Obama does is an impeachable offense when you, yourselves, are lunatics incapable of rational thought. "Bergdahl" is the new "Benghazi". Or is he the new "IRS Scandal"? Or is he the new Affordable Care Act? Or is he the new "birth certificate" conspiracy theory?
The funny thing is that all of the nutcases who posted above me were excoriating Obama for NOT getting Bergdahl's release on Twitter just a month ago. Thousands upon thousands of Obama haters wanted Obama impeached for NOT getting Bergdahl freed. Now that Bergdahl is freed, they want Obama impeached for freing him.
Here's the funny thing; Obama has the Taliban hiding in caves because he has dropped so many drones on their behinds. When Mullah Omar hears a dragonfly buzzing he wets his pants. Remind me, wasn't it Obama who got Osama Bin Laden after Bush tried and failed for 7 years? Yet you crazies accuse Obama of helping his Muslim buddies, even though he is Christian, which you nuts espouse to be but are anything but.
Some more: The Army thought so much of Bergdahl, they raised his rank from private to sargeant when he was in captivity. The person you loons call a traitor, even though you don't have a clue as to what happened, except the manufactured story from Fox News and the madmen in the right-wing blogosphere.
Some more: You RepubliKKKan nuts seem to think those five Taliban dead-enders are superheroes out of Marvel comics. Oh my, they are going to harm us now that they're out!!! Those five are going to tip the scale to the terrorists!! LOL!!! Those bums will be hiding in caves right along with Mullah Omar. Just more right-wing nonsense to fan the flames.
Some more: What would the indignation from the right have been if Obama was the President instead of Bush when 9/11 occurred, IN THIS COUNTRY, KILLING THOUSANDS, AND WE HAD FOREWARNING THAT WE IGNORED? Would you lunatics have dragged Obama into the streets?
What the reaction to Bergdahl from the RepubliKKKan rabble demonstrates is that within every nation, there is a faction of madmen who would do the most heinous acts if given the power to do so. It shows how a country like Germany in the 1930's could change from a nation into rabid mob. Bergdahl is the example historians will cite that the American right-wing in 2014 had descended into madness.
But, just like "Benghazi", Obama's citizenship, The "IRS non-scandal", The Affordable Care Act and whatever comes next that will have you jackals howling at the moon for Obama's impeachment, Obama will go merrily along, laughing all the way at you right-wingnuts as he lines you up like Russians at a bakery and sinks you like a 3 foot putt. Obama beat the RepubliKKKans like a rented mule. Intellect wins every time. Go and howl at the moon, jackals, it won't do you a bit of good. Obama isn't going anywhere. LOL!!!!

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6Knightcap(699 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Looks like we got another manifesto of hate from Ted Kaczynski (parlay) again. Wonder if the coward will be sending out letters.

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776Ytown(1241 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

"What none of these media is reporting is that the father's (SGT Bowe Bergdahl's father Bob) first words at the WH were in Arabic -- those words were "bism allah alrahman alraheem" -- which means "in the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful" -- these are the opening words of every chapter of the Qur'an except one (the chapter of the sword -- the 9th) -- by uttering these words on the grounds of the WH, Bergdahl (the father) sanctified the WH and claimed it for Islam. Obama smiles as the words are uttered." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Dz2Q...

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8parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

76Ytown and the rest; you prove my point!! I had no doubt that you would. You are all truly verifiable lunatics. LOL!!!
I sure hope the NSA has files on you guys.

Carson Wells: "Do you have any idea how crazy you are?"
Anton Chigurh: "You mean the nature of this conversation?"
Carson Wells: "I mean the nature of *you*."

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9handymandave(474 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Obama will go down in history as the worse President that the United States ever had. Parlay will have the distinction of being able to say " yes, every thing he did was a massive screw up
but I supported him." Nobody that I talk with voted for this clown and I'd be willing to bet if Parlay was asked in public, he'd say the same thing. Amazing how he became President but then he had some individuals vote 6 or 7 times to give him that extra edge.

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10IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Obama brought home a US Soldier being held prisoner and the Neo-Commies cry.

Cantor may no longer be your Leader, but Obama is still YO DADDY!!!

Unemployment is DOWN (at pre-recession levels)
The stock market is UP (at record high levels!!)

Bin Laden is DEAD!!!

He made Cantor GO AWAY!!
ObamaCare is HERE TO STAY!!!

You LOSER, CRY BABY Republicons need a dental plan because Obama kicked your teeth in!!

Your party is a FEAR and HATE Based Party of NO. They've been crying everyday on the FIXED NOISE CHANNEL!! Did Karl Rove concede Ohio yet? He shaved all three of his chins for that episode.

Haven't heard any statement filled with profound wisdom spewing from Sarah Palin's mouth lately, she must be busy reading "all newspapers!" LOL. Maybe she's busy having Glen Rice show her the back court press!!

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11Chief178(57 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

You valley Democrats put him in office twice! That is what you get for your 40 years of union and democratic rule.

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12Knightcap(699 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago


You dumb f__k, that idiot was going to a church run by a witchdoctor for twenty years in murdertown Chicago. They had real nice things to say about Slick Willy and "I bumped my head" Hillary in their sermons. His approval rating continues to nose dive with middleclass democrats and some democrat politicians jumping ship. What's left is the cultists who see no wrong in anything.

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13handymandave(474 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Obama brought home a deserter. That's what someone is called when they walk away voluntarily from their assigned post and greet the Taliban with open arms. Unemployment down?? That's a laugh not only is it not down but show me where the jobs are.
Made Cantor go away? Hardly. People fed up with Cantor accepting illegal immigrants into the country and not doing what he was elected to do was the cause of his departure. BTW, when Obama traded 5 top Taliban leaders in exchange for this screw up, what do you think the first thing they want to do? Kill Americans. So Obama put the United States in an even greater danger by making his weekly "kingly" decree. Now if the voters get it together, we should be looking at the last of a Democratic President for quite awhile. If Illegal Immigrants and minorities are allowed to vote 8 times for a single candidate instead of one time like normal people, the shift may go the other way.

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14IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

The Republicons are the ones who wanted the illegals here in the first place, they brought them here to break the unions and to drive wages down. Now the HATE filled Party of No wants to build a multi-billion dollar fence an deport them all.
I love how the play the Fiscal Conservative card when they don't have the White House. They weren't complaining when their boy threw TWO-TRILLION DOLLARS into a sewer called Iraq.

Cantor may no longer be their Leader because he saw the truth, too bad the rest of the Party of NO couldn't. Obama TWICE elected by the MAJORITY, now just keep crying!!!

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15walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Just wondering...when GW Bush was in office, gas prices were kept high so that his oil buddies and Cheney's Halliburton could reap massive profits. But, with Obama, he gets off without any criticism. With Bush, we received a body count tally every night on the evening news. Obama gets elected and no more body count. Yet three times as many Americans have dies in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush and in less time. No mention. Now, we have city after city in Iraq falling back into radical hands that Americans died to liberate and there is no criticism. More documents get released by the Obama crew about Benghazi but it is a scandal invented by Fox News. Obama is merely a puppet - a community organizer steering us in the wrong direction.

Cantor's loss in Virginia is a sign that Americans are pissed off about the direction their country is heading and they want the brakes applied. Every Congressman should be worried...except for little Timmy Ryan. His voters would vote for Manson if he had a "D" tattooed on his forehead.

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16IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

America is a better place and a safer place under Obama.
The US is out of Iraq and no longer throwing away US lives and Two Trillion dollars a year.

The US has not suffered any terrorist attacks on U.S. Soil under Obama.

The economy is much better than when he entered office.
Unemployment is down to pre-recession levels and the stock market is at record high levels.
8 Million more Americans now have health insurance which is also lowering health cares impact on the US GDP.

Looks like things are much improved since Bush Jr. left office.

Goes to show that the people got it right by re-electing Obama with a majority of the vote for a second term!!

Oh yeah, great to see the US auto industry doing well, GM sold a more cars last month than in any month in the previous six years!!!

The Republican Party HATES women, gays, lesbians, Latinos, African-Americans, organized labor and basically is seeing itself self destruct as their base is smaller than at anytime in history. Turn on THE FIXED NOISE CHANNEL if you don't believe me, they'll tell you how to live your life.

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17parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Island Mike...BRAVO!! Great comments. Rational comments. Logical comments. Comments that the RepubliKKKan jackals on this page couldn't comprehend if they went to Harvard for 100 years. The ignorant poster-children of the RepubliKKKan Party in 2014.
Bergdahl comes home Friday. Home to the land of the lunatic right. The reaction from the right to a P.O.W.'s return will go down as one of the most shameful moments in American history.

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance..."

"By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, journalism keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community."

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” Amen, brother, amen.

The "illusion of knowledge" is abundant demonstrated on this page with the likes of Steivo, Cheesiedad, Walter-Sobchak, HandymanDave, Knightcap, Chief178, 76Ytown, Borylie and Newsmaker1.

Hopefully the NSA knows who they are and keeps good tabs on their whereabouts.

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18GTX66(343 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

I have never in my life saw so much stupidity in one place. The only reason Obama has not been impeached is that we would be stuck with Biden, a real idiot.We now have illegal alien children crossing the border by the thousands. Yes Obama is doing a great job. Obama pulled all the troops out of Iraq, now look what is happening there.

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19walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

ANd, let's not forget Barack Hussein Obama's comments that the Dream Kids are the hope for the future of America because they are as American as apple pie! That's because the AMERICAN kids are the children of the oppressors, the white children of privilege and Europe. Now, he signals the border is open and children are pouring across the border from Central and South America. Congrats, BHO is the first president since WWII to have internment camps! With highly trained border agents changing diapers...or separating teenagers from intercourse since there is no better way to get a foot-hold on US soil than having a child here. Maybe BHO can offer 500 kids to Mexico for one retired Marine that took a wrong turn and ended up in jail.

Now, BHO fails to get a troop status agreement in Iraq and the country is falling apart. Look at a map, see the forces coming from Syria into northern Iraq and they will soon combine with Iranian forces to move south. Everything that was fought for and won by US troops is falling back into enemy hands and ex-soldiers are asking why. Yes, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it will most certainly release five commanders for one deserter.

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20WillieMills(1 comment)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Perhaps we can exchange the obama's, hillary, biden and pelosi for the Marine who is being held in mexico.
Five for one.
'Good Tade.'

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21Chief178(57 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago


I am a true American Patriot, I have served you and the American people for over 30 years and still serving and yes the NSA has my name, I have no worries. Do you?

Class of 1977 South High Warrior

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22IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

I guess the Neo-Cons want to see Obama put troops back in Iraq at the tune of Two Trillion more taxpayer dollars!! They preach about how fiscally conservative they are. Hypocrites.
The repubs told us that ObamaCare was going to be a jobs killer and destroy small businesses. Looks like it was just more Fear based propaganda from the HATE filled Party of No.
The republicans hate women, gays, lesbians, Latinos, African-Americans, Muslims, Jews, Asians and Union Workers. They go to bed and hug their guns though. IDIOTS.

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23parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Chief178...yes, i'm sure you "served"...but in the eyes of God, you are unfit to shine Bergdahl's boots. That goes for all the rest of the RepubiKKKan lunatics on this page. hey GTX66, nice to have another lunatic on board...you may end up being the looniest on the page!

The human race is a race of cowards; and Cheif178, Steivo, Walter-Sobchak, 76Ytown, Cheesiedad, GTX66, Kightcap, and Handymandave, are not only marching in that procession but carrying a banner.

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24parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months, 1 week ago

WASHINGTON—Looking back on his 13-year tenure in the House of Representatives with reverence, resigning House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) reflected on the long list of accomplishments he had thwarted during his time in office, sources confirmed Thursday. “From obstructing a jobs bill to put Americans back to work in 2011, to derailing gun control measures any time they reached my desk, I feel blessed to have had such an incredible run of preventing productive policies, and even a few pieces of landmark legislation, from ever passing,” said Cantor, explaining that as a young man, he “never would have dreamed” that some day he would be in a position to hinder the entire American lawmaking process and completely neuter dozens of bills. “Of course, I’m disappointed because I thought I had many more years of impeding accomplishments ahead of me, and I’ll be the first to admit that I never quite managed to stall environmental policies as much as I would have liked. But at the end of the day, I’m very proud of how I helped Congress accomplish so little during my time in office.” Cantor added that he took solace that his legacy of hampering federal policy was secure, and trusted that “many, many more” in his party would be inspired to follow in his footsteps.

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25parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

hey Chessiedad...do you realize that by the inclusion of one word in your comment, one word, you prove the point of every rational argument I have presented. That word is "Hussein". That word is so revealing that it makes you naked to the world. That word demonstrates the fantasy world that you, and your friends occupy; devoid of logic, removed from reality. It shows, once again, that you and those like you, belong to a segment of the population that, if given the chance, would make what the Germans did in the 1930's and 1940's seem like child's play. The NSA should keep close watch on all of you.

But just to let you know, you and your cohort RepubliKKKans aren't ruining Obama's vacation on the west coast. He's staying at a villa and playing golf today, while you jackals howl at the moon!!!

“There is a cult of ignorance in the RepubliKKKan Party, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through right-wing political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

And Bergdahl's back in this country!!! A P.O.W. came home!!! A P.O.W. whose boots you aren't fit to shine, in the eyes of God, Chessie.

And as for the "name-calling"; it amuses me, so don't cry yourself to sleep over it.

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26parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

One last thought, Chessiedad, et al, one of the great things about the digital age is that a person can go to the comment section of virtually any newspaper in the world and see the totally opposite views expressed over just about any issue. That is instructive and explains things like what occurred back in 1930's and 1940's Germany.

You see, examining the opinions on this page, over the release of a P.O.W., it should be obvious that one of us is crazy. We both think it's the other person. But for sure, one of us is crazy. That does not speak well of our species. It does not give hope that things will change much for the future. It explains why, as a species, we keep repeating the same mistakes, like wars. You see, one of us is crazy. The good thing, for the observant, is that the digital age allows us to see what used to be hidden.

You see, Chessiedad, one of us is crazy.

To reveal who it is, just walk in front of a mirror or reflective surface.

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27parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

To follow up on "one of us is crazy" how abut this Gallup Poll:

According to a Gallup poll released last week, 42% of Americans believe in Creationism. More than four in 10 Americans continue to believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago, a view that has changed little over the past three decades.

Those with less education are most likely to espouse the creationist view and to be least familiar with evolution, but it's not clear that gaining more education per se would shift their perspectives.

Do you loons know why??? Because they are "right-trash" RepubliKKKans, who are simply-put, CRAZY. They also believe that Bergdahl is a traitor, Obama is a Muslim terrorist sympathizer, that the tragedy in Bengahzi is a greater tragedy than 9/11 and that Obama will go down as the worst President in history. Up is down to lunatics.

As Gallup pointed out in a report issued last Wednesday, nearly a third of Americans continue to believe that the Bible “is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word.”

More evidence that the folks who make up the RepubliKKKan Party 2014, exactly as those on this page demonstrate with their nonsensical arguments, live in a fantasy world that only the mentally deficient can occupy.

Yes, the truth is that one of us is crazy in how we view reality.

Carson Wells: Do you have any idea how crazy you are?
Anton Chigurh: You mean the nature of this conversation?
Carson Wells: I mean the nature of *you*.

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28kk80586(227 comments)posted 3 months ago

henry speaks for God!! --- "Chief178...yes, i'm sure you "served"...but in the eyes of God, you are unfit to shine Bergdahl's boots. - See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/jun/07...

Let's see....one guy serves honorably and the other tries to cozy up to the taliban and puts the rest of the soldiers in danger... and henry says exactly what you would expect a lemming like henry to say....yes, all is right with the world. Carry on.

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29kk80586(227 comments)posted 3 months ago

henry - does theonion know you plagiarize their stuff??

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30IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months ago

I hope all you Republicons sent Obama a Father's Day card because even though Cantor is no longer your "Leader," Obama is still "Yo Daddy!"

Elected by MAJORITY vote TWICE!!

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31parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

"Let's see....one guy serves honorably and the other tries to cozy up to the taliban and puts the rest of the soldiers in danger..." So you know this, about Bergdahl, do you, kk80586?? Were you there?? You know with 100% certainty what happened?? My, my, another lunatic who forms opinions simply because he hates Obama. I will repeat what I told Chief178, of this I am certain, that no matter what happened in Afghanistan with Bergadhl's capture, I know that in the eyes of God, Bergdahl is a better person than any of the racist, right-wing, yahoos on this page who fling mud at him with absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of what happened. You hate Obama, so you denigrate this soldier. Had Bergdahl been beheaded in captivity, you RepubliKKKan lunatics would have be howling to impeach Obama because he didn't save Bergdahl.

kk80586, I hope the NSA has a nice thick file on you.

Carson Wells: Do you have any idea how crazy you are?
Anton Chigurh: You mean the nature of this conversation?
Carson Wells: I mean the nature of *you*

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32parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

"So, parlayhenry, feel free to continue to spew your "Saul Alinsky" style rhetoric, and puff your chest out with your "intellectual prowess", I'll stand with my patriotic brothers and sisters "et al" here and hope that someday we can return this Country to it's greatness it deserves."

OMG!!! My sides hurt!!!! Chessiedad, your reply is the best!!! Perfect!!! You hit it over the fence!!!! A true right-wing reply!!!

By the way, when you and your patriotic brothers get together and discuss returning "this country to its greatness it deserves", what era in American History are you looking to return to?? Was it when we killed the Native Indians and took their land? Was it the days of the plantation when we enslaved fellow humans? Or was it when women couldn't vote? Or was it the years of lynching black men in front of crowds? Or segregation? Or interning the Japanese in prison camps? Or the communist witch-hunts of Uncle Joe McCarthy? Or when homosexuals were persecuted? Or when the KKK and John Birchers were strong? Or was it when Tim McVeigh, an anti-government icon to you right-wingers, bombed the Murah Building in Oklahoma City killing women and babies. Or was it just a year or so ago when those babies were gunned down with your beloved AR-15 in Newton?

Also, I might ask you and your patriot friends, when did it become patriotic in America to denigrate the President? You love America and its "values". Well, democratic elections are the bedrock on which the country was founded. WE vote and majority rules. As patriotic Americans was shake hands and get behind our leader.

Chessiedad, you know why I comment here?? It isn't to convince you and your ilk of anything. It has two purposes; to see if I can lure you nuts out and take a topic to #1 on the Vindy hit parade. That is not a big deal, because you loons line up like Russians at a bakery to spout your nonsense. And secondly, to show rational people how crazy the right wing is with this comment trail.

As I said, Chessiedad, one of us is crazy; Hopefully the NSA is watching that one.

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33parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

P.S. Thanks for the comparison to Saul Alinsky!!

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34parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

“Men all do about the same thing when they wake up.”
― John Steinbeck, Cannery Row

...but the rest of the day is what matters. and when you examine this page and see how different each of us goes about our day, how we view things so strangely different, the same reality that's in front of us, but bent to our view so that it resembles nothing real at all, only an abomination of life, it should make us all get down on our knees and thank God in heaven for not ending it all in an instant.

Leave Bergdahl alone. It's no one's business but God's to figure out.

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35IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months ago

I love all the right wingers who have painted Bergdahl as being guilty until proven innocent. It is completely counter to the Due Process that America is supposed to stand for. The Neo-Cons jump to conclusions without having all the information and facts, that is IGNORANCE and that is what Repblicons are, a bunch of FEAR based HATE filled, IGNORANT people.

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36cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

Hey steivo, weren't you kicked off this site when you were eivo?

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37cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

Hey steivo, weren't you kicked off this site when you were eivo?

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38thinkthentalk(260 comments)posted 3 months ago

i thought maybe he got fired from his "job" for spending too much work time commenting on here.

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39kk80586(227 comments)posted 3 months ago

henry - lol@u why do all the demoKKKrats want to defend berg so strongly when all the available evidence points to the fact he deserted his post and possibly collaborated with the taliban? Why can no one have an opinion that does not match yours? The guy must be a traitor or you would not stick up for him so hard.
"Leave Bergdahl alone. It's no one's business but God's to figure out."
I'm sure God already has it figured out. In fact, it appears that only you and a few others are totally clueless.
"kk80586, I hope the NSA has a nice thick file on you."
I wouldn't mind, there's nothing I've ever done against my Country. If it makes you feel any better, the FBI does in fact have my fingerprints on file at least a couple times...

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40parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

"And, as for denigrating the current person occupying the Oval Office, I would assume, once again, that you take exception to the reference to his given, lawful middle name"

Naked to the world, you great "patriot", Chessie!!! Naked to the world. I toss the softballs and, true to form, you right-wing lunatics hit them out of the park!!!

The trail that you RepubliKKKan zealots leave on these pages is priceless!! Students in Abnormal Psychology classes around the world will find a primer on all sorts of mental deficiencies from the comments you crazies make. Real doctoral thesis material right on these pages. Plus, the NSA has a much easier time tracking potential domestic terrorists from your comments. So it is good for the country!!

I tell all of you that I line you up like Russians at a bakery, provoking you into your ludicrous responses, and still you take the bait! Like I'm Bugs Bunny and you nuts are Elmer Fudd; as Bugs would say, "What a bunch of schlemiels!" Ah, there is no bottom to the stupidity on the right. Keep commenting, suckers!!

P.S. a special shout-out to kk80586...or is it KKK80586?...you are in a class by yourself...maybe check your trailer for a propane leak, 'cause you ain't right, boy!

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41parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

P.P.S. hey Steivo, et al; ever hear of National Sorry Day in Australia:

"National Sorry Day is an Australia-wide observance held on May 26 each year. This day gives people the chance to come together and share the steps towards healing for the Stolen Generations, their families and communities. Stolen generations refer to Indigenous Australians who were forcibly removed from their families and communities."

What chance would there be that you, "patriotic Americans", that you are would agree to a "National Sorry Day in America?"; to apologize for what we did to the Indians and how we enslaved blacks? I would think that you "patriots" would be writing your congressman first thing to initiate National Sorry Day in America. After all, with this being a "Christian Country", "In God We Trust", and all that, it would be the least a good "Christian" would do, to say, "I'm sorry".

Oh my, I think I've outdone myself with that one! LOL!!!

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42kk80586(227 comments)posted 3 months ago

You can always tell the racists/race-baiters... they always want to add an extra "K" where none exists. Poor little henry has no valid point to make, no facts on his side so all he can do is call names and throw feces.

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43cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

Hey steivo, weren't you kicked off this site when you were eivo?

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44kk80586(227 comments)posted 3 months ago

fool- I was specifically talking about my nick. You see, I AM kk80586. It has a meaning to me and anyone else who uses it is an impostor or an extreme coincidence. I have had several people (always the lib/prog type) try to do that to my nick for many, many years. Yet they can NEVER find a racist statement made by me (typical lib). I even made a deal with one guy that if he could find anything racist in my post history that I would change my nick to kkk80586. I AM kk80586 and no racist lib can project his racism onto me :) As far as demoKKKrat and republiKKKan... that also was started years ago by the libs projecting their racism onto republicans. Now, I sometimes show racist libs that others can do that with the word "democrat" also.
And for henry's info- I am NOT republican but I will NEVER again vote for a democrat after the last dozen years unless they first prove they are above "towing the line".
eivo got kicked off the site? I'd sure like to know what for. I know he skates the edges sometimes but I had never seen anything bad enough to get booted for.
Hey eivo, you out there? Gimme the scoop :)

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45lajoci(229 comments)posted 3 months ago

So, let me get this straight: the Army considered Berdahl such a treasonous deserter that they promoted him to sergeant while he was in captivity?

That happen often?

Do deserters and traitors get promoted regularly while they are in enemy hands?

How does Rush splain dat one?

Does the Army maybe know something Faux Noise doesn't?

What about Hannittty and Bill-O and Ingraham, all of whom seem to have an opinion whether they know what they're talking about or not. How do they explain nBergdahl's promotion?

Just asking . . .

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46parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

WASHINGTON — American commandos operating under the cover of night seized the man suspected of leading the deadly attack on the United States Mission in Benghazi, Libya, the government announced on Tuesday, ending a manhunt that had dragged on for nearly two years and inflamed domestic and international politics.

Well, well. All you "BENGHAZI" howlers out there screaming, "cover-up!!!"...I guess Barry ain't worried. He goes about his business and gets these terrorists. If he had anything to hide, this guy would have been D.O.A. Of course, this means nothing in the lunatic world that you RepubliKKKans inhabit. You'll be spouting your same nonsense.

By the way, all of you anti-government militants, except when it comes to my Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid payments, are you getting on the bus to Bundy's ranch, on government land, by the way? Don't forget to stop by Texas and give a lunatic shout-out to Pvt. Bergdahl! Also, you probably want to stop by Oklahoma City and pay homage to your hero, Tim McVeigh, killer of women and children, at the Murah Memorial. I hear that your other hero, George Zimmerman, killer of unarmed teens, will be coming along, too.

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47parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

“It’s important for us to send a message to the world that when Americans are attacked, no matter how long it takes, we will find those responsible, and we will bring them to justice,” Mr. Obama said during an unrelated trip to Pittsburgh on Tuesday. “And that’s a message I sent the day after it happened, and regardless of how long it takes, we will find you.”

I think that goes double for anti-government domestic terrorists, boys. Is that a drone I hear??? LOL!!!

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48parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

"Also, I wish everyone would look up the Military's definition of P.O.W., and you will find that Bergdahl cannot be considered a P.O.W. but at best, he was M.I.A."

Chessiedad...you truly, truly are certifiable. Debating over a soldier who has been in captivity for years. I hope you live alone, in the middle of nowhere, and are retired, so family, neighbors and co-workers don't have to come in contact with you. Truly a sad case.

Carson Wells: Do you have any idea how crazy you are?
Anton Chigurh: You mean the nature of this conversation?
Carson Wells: I mean the nature of *you*.

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49parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

Another terrorist bites the dust; all courtesy of Barry Obama, who, if we are to believe the rabid dogs on the right, is a Muslim sympathizer??? What did that make George Bush, who couldn't smell a terrorist if he was right under his nose? Muhammad himself???

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50parlayhenry(219 comments)posted 3 months ago

"c'mon man...this dude was having coffee with any reporter who would listen to him, a few days after the attack on our embassy.."

It's hit hard...it's deep enough...it's long enough...Home-Run for Chessiedad!!!

I said: "Of course, this means nothing in the lunatic world that you RepubliKKKans inhabit. You'll be spouting your same nonsense." And right on time, Chessiedad hits it out of the park!!!

My original premise; if Jesus endorsed Obama, Chessiedad, et al, would turn atheist. Certifiable, Chessie, et al...remember, Barry is after anti-government domestic terrorists, too...

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51Dagwood(111 comments)posted 3 months ago


How did you three Jim Jones Obama disciples miss the starship ride with Heaven's Gate. You three tools are really damaged goods. Are you guys writing from the same mental institute? You should have taken the blue pill and stayed out of the rabbit hole. Hope there's no offspring from you with that mentally challenged DNA.

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52ytowntomg(26 comments)posted 3 months ago

It's amazing how people will support this self proclaimed king no matter what he does. IT'S AMAZING!!!!! He could break every law in our country and free all the child rapists and murderers and the some would argue it was the right thing to do. What a bunch of sheep. It appears now that we support islam more than American's rights. Islam is flourishing. How's america doing? Our economy is propped up by fed printing money? Our rights are being trampled. How pathetic. How disgusting. This IS the worst president EVER. This is the most anti-america president EVER. And it will take 50 years to undo what he has done. We will all be gone, but our children won't.

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53IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months ago

I love it!! Obama has made the Republicons cry for SIX straight years!!

Bin Laden is DEAD!!!
Unemployment is DOWN!!!
The stock market is UP!!!
ObamaCare is IN!!
Cantor is OUT!!! (I heard the door hit him!!)


Cantor is no longer your LEADER, but Obama is still YO DADDY!!!

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54lajoci(229 comments)posted 3 months ago


I get mentioned in the same rant as Parlay Henry and Island Mike! I'm moving up in the world!

You're right, Henry! Nothing -- no-thing -- will assuage the hateful bitterness of the anti-Obama faction of the Tea-baggers!


Their hatred for Obama -- and, it's pretty clear, for America itself -- knows no bounds.

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55cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

Hey steivo, weren't you kicked off this site when you were eivo?

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56cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

steivoeivo.....you know exactly what I'm talking about. You used to post on this site as eivo until the Vindy kicked you off for being a scumbag. Now you're back posting as steivo but you're still a scumbag and it's only a matter of time until someone contacts the Vindy about you and you're kicked off again. tick tick tick.

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57Ledfoot67(2 comments)posted 3 months ago

It will be a GREAT DAY when ol big ears Goes Away.........Hopefully he will take the rest of those selling us down the river

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58Knightcap(699 comments)posted 3 months ago

"Can this administration get any more LAME!!!"
How about Obama's administration missing emails in the IRS scandal?

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59cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

steivoeivo.....you have a lot of nerve calling someone else a liar. When I asked you "Hey steivo, weren't you kicked off this site when you were eivo?" your answer was "Hey Cambridge, I have no idea what you are talking about." That was a lie. Typical teabagger/republican hypocrite, they are all liars just like you.

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60cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

steivoeivo....if you do a search on the Vindy for eivo all of your posts are deleted. That means you were kicked off. Are you going to continue to lie and claim you don't know what I'm talking about or you going to admit you posted as eivo and you were kicked off and now you post as steivo the liar?

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61cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

Chessiedad....the wall street journal is owned by rupert murdoch the same clown that owns the fix noise network. His polls will say what he wants them to say. Obama is our president elected twice by landslides. Deal with it.

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62cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

steivoeivo.....the fact that you are a liar was established when you were eivo and now when you're steivo. You have no credibility, same as rupert.

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63cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

Just in case all you teabagger/republicans forgot, the whole country took two opinion polls, they were called elections and Obama won them both by landslides which is why he is the President of The United States of America. If we held another election today he would win just as big against any teabagger/republican that ran against him. You lost, get over it.

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64IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months ago


Latest polls all show that Obama is President of the United States!!!

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65Repubs4theRich(124 comments)posted 3 months ago

Let's take an internal poll of who sits on Vindy all day- 18, and who has to go to work- 2.

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66GTX66(343 comments)posted 3 months ago

What about The US Marine that is rotten away in a Mexican Prison? Obama does not give a damn about him or any other service man.Hi end game is the ruination of America. It is time to smell the coffee!

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67IslandMike(752 comments)posted 3 months ago

Obama killed Osama
The U.S. is OUT of Iraq
Unemployment is DOWN
The stock market is UP
ObamaCare is IN
Cantor is OUT


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68cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

The liar said they had wmd's
The liar said they had chemical weapons
The liar said they had a nuke weapons program
The liar said they were connected to Al kida
The liar said they were involved in 911
The liar said we would be greeted as liberators
The liar said Iraq oil would pay for the war
The liar said they were in the throws of defeat
The liar let bin laden escape Tora Bora
The liar lied about Pat Tillman
The liars policies sent jobs overseas
The liars policies wrecked the worlds economy
The liar steivoeivo loves the liar he voted for twice

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69cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

Almost forgot


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70cambridge(3013 comments)posted 3 months ago

Still playing the "let's pretend it never happened" card. You teabaggers never want to accept the fact that the guy you voted for wrecked the economy and America's good name and the guy you voted against turned it around. There isn't one teabagger/republican that could beat Obama in a election if it were held today. You have no one to answer with. You lost, get over it.

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71IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago


Don't forget to Hug your Guns!!

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72lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Hey Chessie:

myarmybenefits.com is a proprietary site administered by sedo.

You probably are referring to myarmybenefits.us.army.mil, which has no reference to Berdahl's status, past, present, or future.

Of course, I concede that, since you watch Faux and listen to rush and Sean, you probably know more about this case than anyone.

So, at what point did Bergdahl's official status change to that of deserter?

Or is that merely right-wingnut speculation, like 150% of everything the "right wingnutters" come up with?

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73IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

That a way Homophobes, keep HATING!!

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74IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

No, I get a kick out of right wingers, you can never own enough guns. LOL. How long until the next school shooting?

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75cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

steivoeivo....you claim that the terrorist have sadams musterd gas. You lie.

Your boy bush and the United States Military never found any chemical weapons, the Iraq government that took over and the Iraq army never found any chemical weapons al quada never found any chemical weapons but you claim in a matter of weeks these isis clowns found supplies of mustard gas. All they have is a bunch of unusable junk from an old chemical weapons factory. You lie.

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76lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

One thing the right-wingnuts have always failed to explain was Sadam's failure to use those mythical "weapons of mass destruction" as weapons of self defense.

What was he waiting for, if he indeed did have weapons of mass destruction?

As a marked man, his back to the corner, you would think he would have used everything at his disposal.

Obviously, there was nothing at his disposal.

And Cheney continues to spout his right-wingnut propaganda, probably hoping to stave off criminal prosecution.

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77cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

steivoeivo.....everyone always knew that factory existed. It's full of worthless unstable chemicals to dangerous to work with. They can't be made into chemical weapons and they are certainly not the "sadams supplies of mustard gas" that you claim. As usual, YOU LIE!

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78cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Obama ran against mccain. mccain wanted to stay in Iraq, go to war with Iran, go to war in Libya, go to war in Syria and most recently send troops against Russians in their territory dispute. Although mccain did have palin as a backup.

I'll take Obama's judgment over mccain or romneys any day. Or any other teabagger/republican for that mater.

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79ytowntomg(26 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

5 lb. dumbbells says it all. Woose.

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80Truth4Life(33 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

For the longest time Republicans criticized Obama for not doing enough to secure his release. Once he did it, they criticized for doing so.

As always, nobody flips flops more than do these delusional Republicans.

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81cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

LOL! allen west couldn't win an election in his own redneck congressional district.

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82Truth4Life(33 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago


steivo- posted 2 days, 15 hours ago

''These Democrats would applaud the Liar even if he supplied weapons to ISIS.''

Funny how Republicans had nothing to say when their flip flop hero McCain was caught chillin with theM:


In fact ISIS has gone on record as saying he armed them.

Where is the outrage from the right wingers?

Outrage? Wait, I take it back - after all, the Republicans never object to arming their friends at taxpayer expense.


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83eevo(51 comments)posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

That's different! Plus the liar had the liberal media make that story up. Until Fox News tells me, I don't believe it.

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84IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Hopefully Obama can legalize all the illegal immigrants that the Republicons decided to bring here in the first place. Dubya embraced the slave laborers as did his daddy. Now, as we go into another campaign season the repubs say what a problem illegal immigration is. JOKE.

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85lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Republicans lo-o-o-o-o-ove cheap, immigrant labor when they want to undercut homeland workers' wages.

And they basically demagogue the subject when they want to make political hay.

Want to stop illegal immigration? Start JAILING employers who hire illegals!

No documentation? No job!

Hire an undocumented worker? Go to jail.

Simple as that.

Law and order applies to employers as much as it does to workers.

It's not good enough to simple use the "I-didn't-know-they-were- undocumented-gee-willikers-they-had papers" defense.

(It's really nothing new -- employers have been exploiting the energy of the poor for generations. It's time they were forced to do the right thing.)

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86IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The Dow is at a record level and will soon cross17,000 for the first time in history. Thank you President Obama!! Looks like the critics of ObamaCare and its negative effect on the economy were, how do you say it? WRONG!! Obama's economic policies have save this nation!!


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87IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The Dow is at a record level and will soon cross17,000 for the first time in history. Thank you President Obama!! Looks like the critics of ObamaCare and its negative effect on the economy were, how do you say it? WRONG!! Obama's economic policies have save this nation!!


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88eevo(51 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

If you can't make out my avatar, it is me with my head stuck up my butt. I am looking for a comment to top my last comment.

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89stievo(17 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

My comments are far more intelligent than any dumbocrat on here. In fact, I am smarter than 99% of all posters on here.

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90IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The Dow will cross 17000 today as unemployment continues to fall.
The War for Oil is over as the U.S. Is no longer in Iraq where 4,000 plus U.S. Troops were (thanks to Republicons) killed and EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS are unaccounted for.
Bin Laden is DEAD


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91cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

skeevoeivo....the only polls that matter are the two that included the whole country and Obama won those overwhelmingly which is why he is "The President of the United States of America." If they held another election tomorrow he would beat anyone the teabagger/republicans ran against him. You lost, get over it, although I do love that it drives you even more nuts than you already are.

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92lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

RIGHT! The globe is cooling!

Everybody knows that's why the polar ice-caps are melting, and the seas are rising, and coastal population centers are threatened and weather extremes are the new normal!

Makes sense!

The polar ice-caps are made of, well, ice, and as the globe cools, this causes the ice to melt due to a little known law of physics called the Obama Effect, according to which any whack-a-doodle notion, such as ice melting at decreasing temperatures, becomes accepted science, as long as it contradicts President Obama.

For example, the burning of fossil fuels is actually healthy, in that the increase in the rate of skin cancer due to the depletion of the ozone is a job creator, since we'll need more dermatologists, skin graft specialists, and sun-block.

See? Makes sense.

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93lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Maybe you should actually LEARN the difference between sea ice and glaciers.

Of course, you won't find the distinction on fossil fuel industry-funded websites bought and paid for by the coal, oil, and gas companies.

You will find junk science that starts with the premise that whatever "science" promotes the fossil fuel industry is, ipso facto, good.

Again, read the actual NASA report.

The "Ice Extent" is melting from underneath. Don't take my word for it.. read the material


For example, "A new study by researchers at NASA and the University of California, Irvine, finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea.

The study presents multiple lines of evidence, incorporating 40 years of observations that indicate the glaciers in the Amundsen Sea sector of West Antarctica "have passed the point of no return," according to glaciologist and lead author Eric Rignot, of UC Irvine and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. The new study has been accepted for publication in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

These glaciers already contribute significantly to sea level rise, releasing almost as much ice into the ocean annually as the entire Greenland Ice Sheet. They contain enough ice to raise global sea level by 4 feet (1.2 meters) and are melting faster than most scientists had expected. Rignot said these findings will require an upward revision to current predictions of sea level rise."

. . . and so on.

But it's only NASA and the JPL -- their scientists are probably not aware of the dreaded Obama Effect, which explains the tendency of polar glacial ice to melt as the globe's temperature drops.

In other words, polar glacial ice is melting because the earth is cooling.

Makes sense to you, right?

The Obama Effect explains many crazy, right-wingnut fantasies such as this by simply asserting the opposite of whatever President Obama thinks.

Then there are those pesky NASA scientists who get paid to predict global warming.

You know NASA? Stands for Not About Science At all.

Or Not Anything Science Asserts.

What d'they know, anyway, right?

(Psssssst! Reminder -- find out the difference between sea ice and glacial ice. If you are interested in truly understanding. If not, well then Obama says up, it must be down; Obama says here, it must be there; Obama says day, it must be night. Obama Effect -- iron-clad law.)

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94lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

You're the one with the thick skull.

You have no answer to the NASA report other than to assert that NASA, the JPLab, and UC-Irving are all in it for themselves, trying to get rich off global warming. According to you and your right-wingnut cronies, they're all part of a vast, left-wing global conspiracy waging a war on coal, oil, and poor old natural gas, totally innocent fuels that never, ever hurt anyone, but, rather, serve mankind by faithfully provided the energy to live in the modern world.

Stuff and nonsense.

You're the worst kind of fraud. Your assertions that the earth is not warming prove nothing. They are nothing but regurgitated right-wingnut agit-prop.


You have been exposed as a junk-science-loving denier.

Read the NASA report, or shut up.

No, on second thought, just simply shut up.

You're not about to read anything but fossil-fuel industry bought-and-paid-for junk-science websites churning out denier agit-prop, which you then proceed to cut/paste here to the annoyance of all of us.

Your tepid imitations of Faux Noise-cynicism are a waste of everyone's time.

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95jchanse(9 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

so the 99% of us who have no idea what it's like to be at an outpost getting shot at, are ready to string the guy up. first, lynching doesn't such a fine reputation for a lot of reasons. Second, the guy might have PTSD, going bonkers from getting shot at. So why don't we just shut up and wait for the facts.

about the five geezers they let go, they are not a danger to the U.S. except perhaps for the part about our invading their country. They haven't been in the loop for a dozen years. They ain't coming to blow up Federal Street so relax.

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96lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

So, steivo -- ya got no answer for NASA, or the JPLab, or UC-Irvine?


Typical right-wingnut bagger know-nothing contrarian denier.

Oh yeah! And treasonous Obama-hater.

(Mission accomplished!)

(Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!)

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97lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Steivo wrote: "Loveland (formerly at NASA) was the global warming guru. He got rich too. Now, at age 92, he has recanted bout the whole hoax."

So, in addition to not knowing the difference between sea ice and glacial ice, you don't even know the correct names of "left-wing" scientists who, you incorrectly claim, "recanted,"
nor their ages (Lovelock was born is 1919 -- do the math).

You must be using some pretty old fossil fuel industry -sponsored websites.

Lovelock is his name, and he did not recant:

"In his 2009 book, "The Vanishing Face of Gaia", he [Lovelock] rejects scientific modeling that disagrees with the scientific findings that sea levels are rising faster, and Arctic ice is melting faster, than the models predict and he suggests that we may already be beyond the tipping point of terrestrial climate into a permanently hot state. Given these conditions, Lovelock expects human civilization will be hard pressed to survive."

So much for your "answer."

You need to get yourself up to speed on this issue.

Your ignorance is embarrassing.

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98cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

lajocci....it's not ignorance he just makes s!!t up. You could provide indisputable evidence about something and he will just make something up and claim the evidence is a lie. I get a kick out of the lies he comes up with because everyone knows the guy is a moron.

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99lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago


Like the little boy in the crowd, you have the courage of your convictions.

But science is not about "the courage of your convictions." It is about having the courage to alter your convictions in the face of evidence.

That's the problem.

The deniers start with a premise, or conviction, and then search for evidence to back it up. Anything that contradicts their a priori notions is discarded, explained away, rejected.

Science doesn't work that way. It is constantly self-questioning, seeking to know. It is opened-ended, unlike the closed bubble of junk science.

It makes you wonder, with everything mankind does NOT know, why scientists would even tackle the fossil-fuel industry. They must know that coal, gas, and oil, companies are highly profitable; they provide jobs for hundreds of thousands of people who rely on those jobs for their livelihood; these industries are thoroughly ingrained in our physical infrastructure, in our legal and political systems, and, in some cases, in our very culture itself.

In addition to being thoroughly capable of defending themselves, fossil-fuel industries enjoy almost insurmountable public support.

You could almost call attacking fossil-fuel industries, whatever the preponderance of data, a Herculean task, a Sisyphean task.

Surely there are plenty of other questions to deal with, plenty mankind does not know, plenty to give these scientists important work to do.

We have the problem of world hunger to deal with; there are diseases like cancer, and heart disease and diabetes and dozens of others that great minds could be working on. Scientists don't need to make work for themselves; they don't need the issue of climate change to "make their reputations."

Any one of dozens of scientific questions could make their reputations.

And yet the right-wingnuts would have us believe, in all their cynicism, that climate scientists are out to get fossil-fuels because that would put a big old feather in their cap.

So scientists study the issue and gather data and formulate their theses, and the "right" says they're all wrong, and they're all liars, and the emperor has no clothes, because all the right-wingnuts are like the little boy in the crowd, sensible, honest, uncorrupted, and shielded by the courage of their convictions.

But the slogans won't cut childhood asthma rates, or stop the oceans from warming or the glacial ice from melting, or repair the ozone, or mitigate extremes of weather events.

Slogans may look good on Faux, between and within the commercials, but they won't help us survive as a species.

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100lajoci(229 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"Just like our children are being taught that we "slaughtered" the Native Americans, when the reality was that almost 90% of them died of diseases that were brought here from Europe, and they had no immunities for. Much similar to the "Black Plague" in Europe."

Almost word-for-word Dinesh D'Souza's lines from Megan Kelly's show on Faux last night.

Word for word!

I wondered, was Dinesh referring to the siege of Fort Pitt, in 1763, when the British Army under Lord Jeffrey Amherst infected the besieging Native Americans with smallpox using blankets that had been exposed to the virus, killing much of their population for many years, even after the war ended?

Amherst's letters make clear his intention to wipe out the native population, so the Europeans' complicity in genocide is well established, whatever the method.

Was that what Dinesh meant?

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101IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 2 weeks ago

ObamaCare has helped insure an additional 8 million Americans while lowering healthcares impact on GDP. Since ObamaCare has passed, unemployment has decreased, corporate earnings have increased as has the stock market.
Obama has taken troops out of Iraq where the Bush administration has left 8 TRILLION DOLLARS unaccounted for. I never heard any of that on FIXED NOISE NETWORK.

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102IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

The polls that say Obama is the least popular President since WWII are the same ones that said Romney was going to win the election.

John Boehner is still crying like a little baby.
Obama killed Osama
GM is thriving
The stock market is at record high levels
Unemployment is down and still falling
ObamaCare is a success.

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103IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

Bush Jr. was worse:
Weapons of Mass Destruction
Housing crises
Failed financial policies
Implementation of Fast & Furious
No Health Care policy whatsoever
8 TRILLION dollars unaccounted for in Iraq

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104cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

The United States of America took a poll in 2008 and Obama got 69,498,516 of 129,446,839 votes or around 9.5 million more than mccain.

The United States of America took another poll in 2012 and Obama got 65,915,796 of the 126,849,296 votes or around 5 million more than romney.

That's why Obama is "The President of the United States of America".

You lost big time both times, get over it.

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105IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

Latest Poll:
Boehner is still crying
Obama is still President

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106IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

CNN/Quinnipiac/ABC/FOX NEWS Poll:
100 percent of the people aren't crying about Kasick, I don't choose to care about him. The Neo-Cons have cried about EVERYTHING Obama has done. He talked to school children and they CRIED, he took troops out of Iraq and they cried, he left troops in Afghanistan and they cried, he killed Bin Laden and they cried, he passed The Affordable Care act (RomneyCare) insuring 8 million more people and they cried. He saved GM and they cried, he has turned the economy around and they're still crying.
They talk about Benghazi as if Obama invaded it himself. Kind of like when we invaded Iraq looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction. We lost FOUR Americans in Iraq compared to over FOUR THOUSAND in Iraq. There have been ZERO terrorist attacks on U.S. Soil since Obama was elected, unlike the biggest intelligence failure in U.S. history under Bush on 9/11.
John Boehner needs a tissue.

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107IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

FIXED NOISE NETWORK has released their programming schedule for the next two years:
Obama is President, bwahah, cry, bwahah.
Hannity will cry from 9-10 every night.
O'Reilly will have a coronary from 8-9
Kelly will cry and tell everyone that, "Santa is white." From 10-11.
From 4-5pm, Cavuto will swallow his tongue while interviewing Karl Rove who has yet to concede Ohio to Obama.

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108IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

I love the way the Neo-Commies are pretending to take a "tough" stance on immigration now that it cost Cantor his office.
You could solve the immigration issue in 5 minutes by arresting, fining and taking away the business license of the person and company hiring them. Problem solved!! The way the GAME is played now, Immigration Officers conduct a sweep of a business, roundup a hundred or so illegals, house them and feed them, give them a hearing and then deport them. The business that was raided simply replaces them with more illegals the very next day. It is the Neo-Commies who want them here to drive down wages and bust unions, the Dumbocrats want them here because if they can get them legal they know they'll vote Dumbocrat.

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109cambridge(3013 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

skeevoeivo....The United States of America took a poll in 2008 and Obama got 69,498,516 of 129,446,839 votes or around 9.5 million more than mccain.

The United States of America took another poll in 2012 and Obama got 65,915,796 of the 126,849,296 votes or around 5 million more than romney.

That's why Obama is "The President of the United States of America". If another presidential election were held today he would win again because the teabagger/republicans have no one who could beat him.

You lost big time both times, get over it.

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110IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months, 1 week ago

The Supreme Court ruled ObamaCare to be The Law of the Land, get over it......or don't and just keep crying!!

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111IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months ago

Thanks Einstein,
I didn't know the temperature in Youngstown was reflective of the entire GLOBE.
Hopefully we don't have another HURRICANE go through NEW YORK this FALL.

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112stievo(17 comments)posted 2 months ago

It was cold last winter,and it will probably be cold this winter. So global warming doesn't exist. Plus, Dick Cheney made it very clear that the evidence was false. This is all the LIAR'S "War on Coal" campaign.

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113IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months ago

Cheney is The Liar. If I recall, it was Dick who got us into Iraq when he and his puppet Dubya, who quoted the term, "Weapons of Mass Destruction." Over 4,000 U.S. lives were lost over the LIE. Oh yeah EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS are also unaccounted for. If Dick says Global warming is Fiction, then you can bet it's FACT.

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114GTX66(343 comments)posted 2 months ago

Obama has never made a good decision in his life.

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115IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months ago

I like the decision Obama made to save the U.S. economy.
I like the decisions he's made that lowered unemployment.
I like the decision he made to get us out of Iraq.
I like the decision he made to pass The Affordable Care Act.
I like his decision to kill Bin Laden.
I liked his decision that made Boehner & War Monger McCain CRY.
The MAJORITY of people liked his decision to run for President.
The MAJORITY of people liked his decision to run for re-election.

What I like MOST is his decision to make you gun hugging Neo-Cons cry like little babies EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!

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116IslandMike(752 comments)posted 2 months ago

Quit talking about Bush & Cheney. Their lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction killed over 4,000 AMERICANS, cost the country over 8 TRILLION DOLLARS all while allowing a record number of illegals enter the country. They accounted for the largest intelligence FAILURE in U.S. history on 9/11. They turned Hurricane Katrina's recovery into a train wreck. Oh, but they did start Operation Fast & Furious. After 7 years they killed the U.S. Economy, led to the biggest foreclosure meltdown ever. I hope Obama legalizes ALL Latinos, the repubs brought them here to break unions and drive down wages, the problem is the Party of Hate can't get their vote.

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