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Warren roots defined Fox News chief Roger Ailes

Published: Sun, January 19, 2014 @ 12:01 a.m.

By WILLIAM K. ALCORN | alcorn@vindy.com


Warren native Roger Ailes, controversial president of Fox News and behind- the-scenes conservative president maker, took himself out of this small Northeast Ohio town to a national stage.

But the values absorbed growing up in this once-thriving industrial city in the Mahoning Valley stayed with him and helped define his life.

Ailes, a 1958 graduate of Warren G. Harding High School who grew up on Belmont Avenue Northeast, is the subject of a new, already controversial unauthorized biography, “The Loudest Voice in the Room.” It arrived in bookstores Tuesday.

In 2008, while visiting Warren to attend the dedication of the Trumbull County Veterans Memorial downtown, Ailes talked to Vindicator Reporter Ed Runyan about his roots.

“In my travels over the years, I’ve always taken Ohio with me. Everywhere I’ve traveled, I’ve taken the traditions ... the values I’ve learned in this town [Warren]. It’s a part of everything I’ve done, including Fox News,” Ailes said.

The new biography, “The Loudest Voice in The Room,” written by Gabriel Sherman, a contributing editor at New York magazine, places a lot of emphasis on his small-town roots as to what makes Ailes tick.

“From the time Ailes was a boy with hemophilia growing up in Warren, Ailes possessed a bottomless ambition to succeed and acquire power,” Sherman told The Vindicator via email.

“Warren is central to understanding Ailes,” Sherman told The Vindicator. “In the 1940s and ’50s when he grew up, Warren was thriving and presented an idyllic face of post-war American prosperity. Ailes imbibed the values and the frustrations of Americans who live in heartland towns like Warren. In interviews, Ailes has talked about how he programs Fox to appeal to these values.”

The 538-page book (if you count the lengthy Index), subtitled “Roger Ailes Divided a Country,” spends much of the first two chapters examining his early life growing up in Warren, attending Harding High School, matriculating to Ohio University and then landing a job as a $68-a-week prop boy with the Mike Douglas Show shortly after it began to air in Cleveland in 1961.

He was urged to work on the show by Launa Newman, a 1957 Harding graduate and friend from those days, who is quoted extensively in Sherman’s book.

Newman said Ailes was not a micro-manager, and if a team member was trusted “you knew you had someone in your corner no one else had. On the other hand, if you weren’t [trusted], then God help you. You’d get the full measure of his wrath,” Sherman quoted Newman as saying.

Former classmates of Ailes also weigh in on Ailes’ personality and what motivates him.

Steve Papalas, who went to school with Ailes from 1952 at Turner Junior High School through 1958 at Harding, said in an email interview with The Vindicator that he and Ailes were casual friends who attended some of the same parties and school functions.

He described Ailes as “always outgoing and friendly” but that he could also be combative.

“I do remember he was never shy to state an opinion or to verbally confront anyone whom he thought had wronged him ... and I speak from experience,” said Papalas, who became a Warren police officer in 1963 and was appointed the city’s safety-service director in 1980.

“Roger knows he is a polarizing personality and takes a great deal of pride in being so. He has always been his own man and will still confront anyone who disagrees with him. Because of that and his strong conservative ideals, many people demonize him. As I told you a few years ago, Roger was always a step ahead of everyone and still is,” said Papalas, who retired in 1997 as town manager for Belleair, Fla.

While working on “The Mike Douglas Show” in 1968, Ailes met future president Richard Nixon, a guest on the show after it became a hit and had moved from Cleveland to Philadelphia.

According to Sherman, who said Ailes refused numerous requests to be interviewed for the biography, Nixon complained that it was a shame it was necessary to use television gimmicks to get elected.

Never shy, Ailes, who grew up as television was growing up and became a master at using it, told Nixon that television was not a gimmick and that “if you think it is, you will lose again.”

That, according to Sherman, was Ailes’ entry into the world of national politics.

It also was an example of the culture he grew up with in Warren.

Betty Cecconi Fluharty, said Ailes, who sat behind her in ninth-grade civics class at Turner, told her that one day he was going to be president of the United States.

“He didn’t make it, but he probably has a better job now anyway,” said Fluharty, speaking at a small gathering of Ailes’ friends when he was in Warren for the Class of 1958’s 50th reunion in 2008.

Another former classmate said Ailes came from a comfortable middle-class family and was very self-contained, had an air of self-confidence even in junior high and appeared intent on moving forward in his life. Manufacturing is a straightforward business and creates a direct and plain-speaking culture. Perhaps that is the part of Warren he takes everywhere with him.

Ailes’ Warren friends are, as Sherman noted, fiercely loyal to him.

“Say nice things in your article,” said another former Harding classmate.

“No one had specific unkind memories of Ailes,” Sherman said. “But some people remember him having a mysterious side.

“I most admire the loyalty he inspires in his employees and friends. They speak of him reverently.”

After the Mike Douglas Show, Ailes went on to be a television adviser for future Republican presidents Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

According to Sherman, Ailes later said: “I never had a political thought until they asked me to join the Richard Nixon presidential campaign.”

After his stint in national politics, Ailes delved into the entertainment business.

In 1996, Ailes was hired by Australian media giant Rupert Murdoch to launch Fox News, an empire that Sherman calls “The Biggest Voice in the Room.”

“The Loudest Voice in the Room” title works on several levels, Sherman said in an e-mail interview with The Vindicator.

“Fox News is the most powerful news network in America – its ratings are double those of CNN and MSNBC, and its profits exceed those of the cable news networks and broadcast evening newscasts combined. At the center of that remarkable success is the man whose voice stands out from the rest: Roger Ailes,” Sherman said.

Sherman said Ailes, whom the author described as an “American icon,” refused to be interviewed for the book. Likewise, Ailes did not respond to The Vindicator’s email request for an interview.

“I would have jumped at the opportunity to sit down with Ailes, but it would not have changed my approach to the research of this book,” he said. “I wanted to write an account of his remarkable life and career based on hundreds of sources to get the full picture.”

Before the book was released, Sherman faced some scorn by many on the far right and Fox News.

“If all of the pre-publication coverage of my book on conservative websites was a genuine story, they would be covering it now,” the author told The Vindicator in an email. “Their lack of coverage [after the book was released Tuesday] reveals their political agenda. I’m happy that now the book is in the hands of readers and they can see for themselves the care I took in telling both a true story and a compelling one.”


1thinkthentalk(310 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Fox is to tv "news" what the National Enquirer is to newspapers.

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2anothermike(226 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Whether you are a Fox news fan or not, it's nice to finally (Warfield) see some recognition for folks from Warren, Ohio.....Roger, Warren Harding class of 1958.....

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3tnmartin(518 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

seen the ratings lately? Fox News has been beating the other cable news sites -- MSNBC, HLN, CNN - COMBINED! Beating the tar out of them. Years straight. Guess if the Indians won five straight World Series titles, it would be cause for local celebration.
Yet when a local boy makes good, and shows up the serial liars of the Communist News Network and MS-LSD as the propagandists that they are, we hear a chorus of whines.
Guess the truth hurts, huh?

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4James_S(268 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

He's Rupert "News Corp" Murdoch's sidekick...

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5cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

He's the leader of the republican party. He tells them how to think and how to vote. It's clowns like him and the teabaggers that will keep a Democrat in the White House. Thanks roger for doing you're part.

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6jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Hey gdog & cambridge can you name any Repubs that are employed on CNN or MSNBC?
Fox News employees more Dems than all of the cable news shows, just two of which Juan Williams, employed at 2M per yr (that's million) & Bob Beckel employed at $500,000 per.
On MSNBC, everyone agrees with everyone else. There is no give & take. On Fox News, There is debate on virtually segment of every show.
One wise man once said "I have never learned a thing from someone who agrees with me."

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7jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

To poster #14, I know the original Honest Abe was honest, but the above posters name sounds like a OXYMORN.

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8cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

jmho....here ya go. You're welcome.


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9cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

The link I posted is from a YouTube search for "fox news lies". I tried to post the whole page but I guess it won't let you do it. So just do the same search yourself and you'll be busy for months with videos like this.


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10cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

eivo....do a search on YouTube for "fox news lies" and you will see countless videos of the lies being told on air and the people posting the video exposing the lie. You can pretend it isn't true all you want, that's exactly what they want you to do. Anyway keep listing to the fake news network and those voices in your head, I'm off to a football party. NINER'S!

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11DSquared(1778 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Roger Ailes displays old school traditional Mahoning Valley family values while all other media outlets have gone off the rails into the sick and twisted "Bizarro " world of the Liberal Black Hole! God Bless you Roger.

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12kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Eivo and Northsideedee have this one nailed! Rock on Fox News! They mean it when they say "fair and balanced" and they live by the rule- routinely providing alternate views on just about every issue- Letting "Us" the media consumers and citizens of a still free- not for long if the Leftists have their way- Republic. Rock on Fox!

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13kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

@ theotherside "try reading some books". Ok, if I want information having to do with current affairs- which "books" would you suggest I read?

For better or worse, were all dependent on "media empires"- companies that package and present the news so that we have the information we need to make smart decisions and not be, as Rush Limbaugh (Red Flag for Leftists!) likes to say: Low Information Voters.

What I like to do, using my DVR, is record Fox and say MSNBC or CNN (PBS on Friday's) and later scan back and forth to see how the same issue is covered. A very instructive exercise.

I almost always find that Fox gives the most balanced coverage on just about any issue- the other networks are little more than Left Wing Infomercials.

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14AtownAugie(884 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

My-oh-my, what will the anti-Fox posters on here do when they see that their beloved New York Times says the book is "disingenuous" and packed with "untrustworthiness?" (What will they do? Probably be like their idol Dan Rather, and repeat the fiction.) See http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/20/boo...

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1576Ytown(1345 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

One source to see government in action is C-Span.

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16dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

O'reilly and Rush. Two of the biggest Hypocritical A holes in the country. I see why you can relate. Fox News is nothing more than a reality tv show that is led by a producer who tells the cast what to say and do.

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1776Ytown(1345 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Good books to read: history

Low information voters depend on CNN, MSNBC, HLN and the sound bites of ABC, CBS and NBC to tell them what to think.

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18BillieRay(19 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

According to a new survey of Fox News viewers by Reuters, this is what Fox News viewers believe:

90% Believe that all of the Founding Fathers were born in the United States of America, even though it had not yet been created when the Founding Fathers were born.

56% Believe Sarah Palin went to an Ivy League Law school.

99% of Fox News viewers who were Medicare recipients said they opposed “socialized medicine.”

94% Believe Reagan lowered the National Debt. ( he actually tripled it )

24% Believe Santa Claus is real.

36% Believe the “Bill of Rights” is legislation introduced by the Republican Party to stop “Barack Obama’s socialist agenda.”

99% Believe that communism, socialism, fascism and tyranny are all the same.

85% Don’t think Hawaii was even a state when Barack Obama was born

92% Believe that George Bush left Barack Obama with a surplus, which he spent.

99% Believe that the Government doesn’t create jobs, but 95% of those surveyed credit Governor Rick Perry (R-TX) with creating 1 million jobs as Governor of Texas

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19BillieRay(19 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Another study has concluded that people who only watch Fox News are less informed than all other news consumers.
Researchers at Fairleigh Dickinson University updated a study they had conducted in late 2011.
The poll asked questions about international news (Iran, Egypt, Syria and Greece were included) and domestic affairs (Republican primaries, Congress, unemployment and the Keystone XL pipeline.)

The pollsters found that people were usually able to answer 1.8 out of 4 questions on foreign news, and 1.6 of 5 questions on domestic news, and that people who don't watch any news were able to get 1.22 of the questions on domestic policy right.

As the study explained, though, people who watched only Fox News fared worse:

The largest effect is that of Fox News: all else being equal, someone who watched only Fox News would be expected to answer just 1.04 domestic questions correctly -- a figure which is significantly worse than if they had reported watching no media at all. On the other hand, if they listened only to NPR, they would be expected to answer 1.51 questions correctly; viewers of Sunday morning talk shows fare similarly well. And people watching only "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart" could answer about 1.42 questions correctly.

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20kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

@ the otherside post #45: "reading to provide informed background, etc. etc..." You're absolutely correct, I agree with you %100 per cent and that's what I- like many Conservatives- try to do. Books- good books- are incredibly important to form the background to put current events into perspective. But, when it comes to specific information- for instance, What just happened in the Middle East? or What about the President's speech regarding NSA cell phone monitoring we depend on the Media- big networks, big newspapers- to give us the info we need to make up our minds- right?

Hell, we've got a Media Empire (small scale) right here in the Mahoning Valley- the Vindicator, paper of Record- on whose web site we are currently blabbing, right? Without the Vindicator where would we turn to get reliable information about local news? Local TV News, let's face it, is a joke! They get most of their info from the Vindy and the Wire Services and then dress it up- divided into tiny snippets- with pretty girls and jocky looking guys with gleaming teeth. It doesn't count.

For anybody who wants a really good book discussing Politics- I recommend British Historian Paul Johnson's "Intellectuals". It does a pretty thorough job of demolishing the Liberal Delusion (Caution: If you're a Left Winger with elevated Blood Pressure- Be careful before you read this book- Consult your Doctor first...)

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21BillieRay(19 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Oh I forgot, FOX has its own set of facts.

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22kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

@ eivo Nice job of demolishing that rigged survey- I'm sure if I looked into it, I would reach the same conclusion.

The point is there's a huge well of Ignorance in this country crossing Political Boundaries- despite the fact we spend more per Capita on Public Education than any country on Earth- this is not a Political Issue- Left vs. Right- It's a National Crisis.

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23AtownAugie(884 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

@BillieRay: Kudos on doing an excellent job copying and pasting a copyrighted article to serve as your post, but perhaps next time you will consider giving credit to "your" creative and original thinking, i.e., your post comes from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05... . May I also suggest that next time you be "fair and balanced" and cite a counter article or two, e.g., one printed by the same source, your beloved Huffington Post, to wit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-j...

(Of course, I understand: showing fallacy or a counter-argument when something -- albeit erroneously --"confirms" a pre-existing prejudice would not serve your purposes and desires.)

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24kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Thanks Augie- I like that- I'm going to look it up tomorrow.

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25YtownParent(1004 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

It makes no difference what letters comes before the word "News" in the title. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc. they are all businesses. They are all in it to turn as large a profit as they can by selling to the markets they've carved out for themselves. None of them are "just the facts" straight reporting. All of them package their product to their target consumers. To that end Fox has succeeded above and beyond the others by providing something the others don't.

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26kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

No, I don't believe that study at all and I'm going to confirm my doubts as soon as I can by Going Back to the Source- the Huffington Post article that reported it.

For somebody not that bright- as you seem to believe- eivo did a pretty good job of critiquing that study in Post # 55. And his (her) spelling is better than yours ("lack ther of"- what's that? Sounds like some kind of bug.)

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27BillieRay(19 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Like the scary right-wing chain e-mails of the AOL era, Fox News dominates among senior citizens. The New York Times reports today that "for six of the last eight years, Fox News has had a median age of 65-plus and the number of viewers in the 25-54 year old group has been falling consistently, down five years in a row in prime time, from an average of 557,000 viewers five years ago to 379,000 this year." While the 25 to 54 group, a.k.a. the "demos" in TV-speak, is the most sought-after, Fox's bottom line has not been affected. Yet. The downward trend in younger viewers seems to be accelerating at Fox News," perhaps prompting the network to give top-billing to younger blondes like Megyn Kelly and Elisabeth Hasselbeck. In the worst-case scenario, all of Fox's viewers eventually die off and the immortal Bill O'Reilly is left shouting at no one for eternity.

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28lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

The difference between FauxNoise and MS-NBC is that Faux considers itself a "news" channel, presents itself as a "news" channel, and calls itself "fair and balanced;" MS-NBC does NOT call itself a news channel, but presents itself as "the place for politics," confirming that what you get will be a point-of-view, which you may accept or reject on the merits of the case their commentators make. It is no surprise that Faux pulls the largest share of cable-news viewers -- the rest are split among a plethora of networks; Faux appeals to those looking for their daily "fix," their daily dose of outrage. And the stuff Faux feeds them is considerably more dumbed-down and slogan-I-fied than anything you will see on MS-NBC, or PBS, or any other network with at least half a brain.

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29cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

This is the "Fair and Balanced" way that the fix noise network covered Obama's first 100 days of his first administration.


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30dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Eivo follows only Fox News and here are some of his points that he made from previous threads.
1. He thought Obama needed to pass immigration reform, or he wouldn't get any votes for this upcoming election. (apparently the POTUS can run for 3 terms now)
2. Made claims that he doesn't know what issues the Tea Party stands for, however, wants to see Ted Cruz run for POTUS, and vote for him. (uninformed voter)
3. Stated that he doesn't know of any Republican that favors corporate welfare, giving government subsidies to oil companies and such. (common practice by ALL politicians, Rep and Dems.
4. Claims never to follow Rush, although many of his cut and clip stories are from Rush's show and in this thread now admits to reading his book.
5. Has a personal vendetta about "free loaders", however, has stated that he knows several who cheat the government, but will not turn them in to authorities.
6. Won't admit any wrongdoing by the Christie administration on the bridge controversy. Says it was all just a minor traffic jam, and everything was just conjured up by democrats because Christie was ahead in some stupid poll over Clinton, almost 3 years away. Even though all of the evidence provided states otherwise. (texts by his administration and the Port Authority).

I can see leaning to the right if that is your preference, but he is brainwashed.

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31dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

@eivo. Point 2 alone tells the whole story of what a whack job you are. You like Ted Cruz as a person, so you will vote for him even though you state that you know nothing about what his party is for. And how uninformed are you if you watch Fox News all the time and you DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TEA PARTY'S VEIWS AND PLATFORM ARE?
Point 1, shows how paranoid you are that Obama is going to change the rules and run again.
Point 3, then why did you say that you didn't know of any Republicans who favors corporate welfare then?
Point 5, You are not Law Enforcement is a weak excuse. If you seen someone breaking into your neighbor's house would you call the police? I hope so. You don't have to go arrest the freeloaders, just pick up the phone and turn them in. By not doing anything, you are a freeloader by association.
6. So who sent the texts about "it's time for some traffic"? Those were all made up? IDK if Christie knew or not, but to not even acknowledge any wrong doing by his staff is outlandish.

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32dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

#6- Christie did admit it, YOU won't.

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33dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Never once watched MSNBC, but I do look at the Huff on occasion. I also look at Fox to see what they have to say as well. Anyway, I proved my point, not that you will agree, but the other posters can make their own judgement.

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34YtownParent(1004 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

1. It would tale a constitutional amendment for Obama to run again. It's possible, but highly unlikely one could make it's way through Congress and be approved by voters in 2/3 of our 50 states before the 2016 election. If that highly improbable scenario came to pass, presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush could and most likely would run again.

Barring a constitutional amendment, there are tons of checks that would prevent Obama or anyone else from running for a third term. The Bi-Partisan election commission one. The courts, where any conservative and/or liberal group could and would challenge it.

2. As for Ted Cruz for president and the tea party, I don't see how the Tea Party could support Ted Cruz for President, as his birth certificate clearly shows he was born in Calagary, Canada, not in US and the Tea Party is dead set against having a president who was not born on US soil.

3. You are right corporate welfare is used by both parties to reward the cronies of both parties. It should stop all together. It's more dangerous and detrimental now than it's ever been because corporate interest groups have mastered the skill of double dipping and getting favors from both parties.

4. To say you're not law enforcement so you have no obligation to turn in fraud and cheats is factually mistaken. All programs come with the caveat that you will report any knowledge of fraud or illegal use of funds. If you are working and paying taxes and paying into social security, you are legally obligated to do so, beyond having any sense of honor. But if you truly believe that it is none of your business, then it is none of your business and you have no right complaining about freeloading frauds and cheats either.

Where Christie is concerned, the investigation is still on going and we'll see what comes out. No I don't buy most of the crap some democrats are claiming. On the whole it is the perfect example of why politicians might want to take a cue from Nixon and start using the voice recorder on their cell phones during private meetings.

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35YtownParent(1004 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

911 is for emergencies. If you can manage getting to a news website and registering for their forums, I'm sure you are capable of typing in odjfs.gov, finding the little tab marked Report Fraud and Abuse, filing out the form with the names and addresses and clicking send.

As for you saying, I don't nea to insult you, and then writing an insult, in the words of Pee-Wee Herman: I'm rubber your glue whatever you say bounces off of me & sticks to you.

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36lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Back to the issue of Roger Ailes growing up in Warren in the union heydays of the '50's, which experience he credits with shaping his conservative sympathies --

It wasn't Roger Ailes who first employed right-wing outrage as a smokescreen to distract the middle class from the right's campaign to undermine middle-class gains. I distinctly remember Ronald Reagan capturing the fancy of many a middle class voter, including my own grandmother, who was flam-boozled into jumping on the Reagan bandwagon, until another family member, who happened to be a union shop steward, pointed out that RR was after her social security. To her credit, that was the end of Grandma's support for the B-movie actor from Indiana. But it was not the end of what eventually became a 40-year trend, during which the party of the rich was able to get ordinary, middle-class folks to consistently vote against their own self-interest.

And it continues to this day, as the right seeks to consolidate the anti-middle-class gains begun under Reagan -- the irony, of course, is that all those tea-baggers are complicit in their own economic demise.

And Roger and Rupert are laughing all the way to the bank.

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37lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Ronald Reagan should have been impeached and convicted of treason.

The actions that Reagan took regarding Iran-Contra were treasonous because he, The President of the United States, knowingly approved and supported a foreign policy that A) Violated US law B) Violated an arms embargo against an enemy of America C) assisted terrorists that were taking US citizens as hostages.

These are all acts that knowingly gave aid to enemies of the United States, and therefore are acts of treason.

Of course, Roger Ailes and Rupert learned from this that the American middle class could be distracted from paying attention to the crimes of Republicans simply by focusing on mythical welfare queens driving to the welfare office in their Cadillacs to collect their welfare checks; or the slaughter of the innocents at the hands of abortionists; or atheists attacking prayer in the schools, the flag, mom, or apple pie; or evolution-ista bible-deniers pushing Darwin.

And Ailes and Rupert cashed in, stoking the outrage machine, while the right whittled away at the American dream, slowly, inexorably eating up the Middle Class's lunch.

And the poor little lambs were more than happy to bestow on them the power to do it, electing in Ohio, for example, a Republican legislature and chief executive who proceeded to roll back all the gains the middle class had made over the years.

And regardless of the evidence all around them, the middle class continues to enable its own demise.

And Ailes and Murdoch are a big part of this remarkable achievement by which the heart and soul of the middle class is led, happily, down the path to perdition.

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38cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Lies from The Fix Noise Network".


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39tnmartin(518 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

the Presidents who should have been impeached, removed, convicted of treason, and suffered the consequences include Woodrow Wilson, Frianklin Delano Roosevelt, Lyndon Baines Johnson, James Earl Carter, and William Jefferson Clinton. Truman was a corrupt buffoon whose incompetence in keeping FDR's commie cronies on condemned millions in North Korea to death and misery. JFK was a sleazy skirt chaser whose corrupt family bought him an election..
All true. And you will never see it on NBC or ABC or CNN. So don't come around posting oh-so-clever lines about "faux news". It's a lie, and people are realizing it. Truth hurts, evidently, from the squeals we're hearing.

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40GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I've never laughed so hard reading a post after reading eivo's post # 75. What a laughable attempt (a failed one at that) to try and justify his lame viewpoints. He's like a fish flapping around on the bottom of a boat, gasping for anything

And then we get to post 90. You do realize that federal spending went up like crazy and the national debt almost doubled during "St. Ronnie's" first term.

And with more fighting to come over the debt ceiling, remember this--the debt ceiling was raised 18 times under St. Ronnie. Read that again. 18!!! By the way, it was 8 times under Clinton and...wait for it....wait...just 5 times under Obama.

"Ronald was the best president since Washington." You still believe that? Please flap around more trying to explain these facts

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41lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Too bad an article about local-boy-makes-good Roger Ailes fails to mention that FauxNoise serves the interest of the plutocrats, who see no need to cultivate a consumer class now that world markets have shaken off their chains, and capital is free to flow wherever it commands the highest return, obscenely procreating itself while the masses cower in the corner with their crumbs.

Nice job, Roger.

You succeeded in brainwashing the rubes into giving away the keys to the kingdom.

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42lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Who cares what I am.?

Try dealing with what I write instead of worrying about my personal motivation.

That is, if you are able.

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43lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

More to the point, Roger sold his soul long ago to the Devil himself, Rupert Murdoch, the snake-oil magnate who built an empire on check-out counter tabloids, cynically pandering to the worst in human nature.

Roger and Rupert and their media empire have done irreparable damage to the American dream, and to the millions in the middle class who aspire to it.

That Roger hails from Warren is to Warren's everlasting discredit.

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44cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

More lies from "The Fix Noise Network".


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45GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Meaningless.stats? Haha. Keep em coming eivo. You are such a poor debater and are so brainwashed, my feelings toward you are turning from comical know-nothing buffoon to pity. Keep gasping and flapping on the bottom of the boat like a dying fish. You don't even realize how you are embarrassing yourself.

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46GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

If an organization is forced to keep pounding that they are "fair and balanced" odds are they are neither.

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47cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

All you ever needed to know about "Fix Noise Network".


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48Education_Voter(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Glenn Beck tells Megyn Kelly last night about his time at Fox News.
"I remember it as an awful lot of fun and that I made an awful lot of mistakes, and I wish I could go back and be more uniting in my language,” Glenn said poignantly. “I think I played a role, unfortunately, in helping tear the country apart, and it’s not who we are.”

“I didn’t realize how really fragile the people were, I thought we were kind of more in it together,” he added. “Now I look back and I realize if we could have talked about the uniting principles a little bit more instead of the problems, I think I would look back on it a little more fondly. But that’s only my role.”

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49lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Faux"News" -- self-proclaimed "fair and balanced," though, in reality, neither.

Faux"News" -- the incarnation of all that Orwell envisioned when he wrote 1984 -- Newspeak run amuck.

Faux"News" -- tool used by apologists for the plutocrats to distract the commoners while the right rolls back every progressive economic and political gain of the last 100 years.

One has only to listen to Newt Gingrich chortle about the wonders of child labor, or Hannity whine about the evils of the EPA, or Coulter wax ecstatic over Chris Christie, or Krauthammer or Bill-o or Dana or dozens of other right-wingnuts to know that Faux"News" is not fair (in any generally accepted sense of the word) or balanced ( in any way that resembles anything even remotely realistic).

Faux"News" has one purpose, and one purpose only -- to stoke the fires of outrage with mythical stories that push the buttons of the middle class in such a way as to distract folks' attention away from their own fleecing.

It is right-wing, reactionary bias masquerading as "news," and it is not even very intelligent right-wing bias.

MSNBC most certainly IS biased (and announces itself as such), AND it is far more insightful and intelligent at it than Faux, by a long shot.

Faux merely panders and repeats slogans.

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50Education_Voter(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Fox news repeats memes like a metronome. It is such an efficient propaganda machine that I have heard people confidently share statements THAT THEY HAVE SEEN WITH THEIR OWN EYES ARE FALSE. For example...my friend posts online that schools don't say the Pledge of Allegiance anymore because they are afraid of offending someone. But...she works in a school where the student body (as well as she herself) daily says the Pledge with the public address system. What's more, on patriotic holidays like Veterans' Day, the same student body gathers outside around the flagpole to raise the flag and say the pledge.
Still she says public schools don't say the pledge????

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51jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Iajoc, you are one of about 7 people that watch MSNBC.

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52jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Iajoc, go back and read Post 14 - then answer it.

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53GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Here you go Ladies and Gentlemen, proof from Post 75.

"I have never followed Rush Limbaugh and my cut and clips do not come from Rush Limbaugh. "

Eivo admits that he is incapable of original thought and his ramblings are nothing but cut and clips from right wing nut jobs, most likely on Faux News. How about thinking for yourself eivo instead of just being a sheep?

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54cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

It's well known that rupert murdoch had a missing girls phone hacked and that she later was found dead. While she was missing her parents would call her phone and leave messages trying to contact her. Because mudoch had her phone hacked and deleated messages to leave room on her phone her mailbox never filled up giving her parents false hope that she was alive. He did the same thing to solders killed in action.


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55cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Are you saying this didn't really happen?


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56cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I post a 43 minute video laying out murdoch's phone hacking and 27 minutes later you say it's a lie. You couldn't have even watched it before you claim it's a lie. You are as morally bankrupt as your boy rupert. His top people admit they did the hacking right in front of you on camera and you claim it didn't happen. Have you ever had any major head injuries? You make a fool of yourself with every post and you know what, it makes me smile, keep it up.

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57cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

jmho....you watched the video in post 131 and you claim that didn't happen? Is that what you're saying?

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58dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Why does cnn or any news station have any obligation to give any air time to Ben Carson? The have covered stories on him, but are not required to. Is he a presidential candidate? Is he running for some type of office? CNN has the former face of the Repub party (Newt) as the host of one of their shows. Is fox going to give Jessie Jackson his own show? But why not eivo??? Carson is a Doctor, big deal. Maybe Dr Carson was offered to be on and he decline, how do you know?

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59dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Dawn Zimmer holds a political office and is part of a current situation. Is Carson involved with any time of story right now, or do you just want to hear him talk about anything. I'm sure he has a Facebook page or something. Follow him on Twitter if you are a fan! What liberal personalities with the political statue of a Gingrich has there own show on Fox News? Answer me that!

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60jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Youngstowners don't want a man, on TV, who makes sense like Dr Carson. They want a man who lies like that guy in DC. If you like...............

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61dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

You got an answer to your question. Problem is, you never respond to questions asked to you that you don't have an answer to. Answer my last question in 139

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62cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

eivo....I get it, if it isn't some talking head from the"Fix Noise Network" talking in 60sec. sound bites it must be a lie. Well here is a guy speaking for only 56sec. is he a liar too?


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63jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

That sound bite of Cronkite is 10 yrs old. He also never appeared on Fox News. Brokaw, just recently said about the same thing as Cronkite's sound bite.

Brokaw has been asked by Oreilly to appear on The Factor about 100 times. Brokaw is hiding under a desk somewhere and has never appeared.

No network or cable channel can hold a candle to Fox News. No network or cable channel employs as many liberals as Fox News.

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64dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Still waiting for an answer eivo

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65cambridge(4065 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

jmhoeivo.....if you put both your brains in one head you'd have a rattle. Walter Cronkite is a radical? That just shows how brain washed the two of you are. Here is a conservative calling BS on "Fox Noise Network" for their lies.


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66dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

And still waiting........ Yawn

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67YtownParent(1004 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Again, "Fair and Balanced" is an advertising slogan akin to Campbell's soup being "MMM! Good" or Safe Auto "Keeping you legal for less." Fair and balanced is just a snappy phrase to get you to buy the product.

I’ll believe that Fox News actually reports news in a fair, balanced and unbiased manner the moment they start reporting on the failure of HR 776, otherwise known as the Sanctity of Life Act of 2005. As Fox News never reported once, with the Republicans in control of both houses of Congress and George W. Bush sitting in the oval office, a handful of representatives introduced a bill that would have exercised Conrgess’es powers under Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution, to limit the Supreme and Federal court’s appellate powers over State Abortion laws. The Republican led Congress let the bill die in subcommittee, as they did back in 1995 when they also controlled both chambers of Congress.

If Fox News idea of “Fair and Balanced” was more than a cheap advertising slogan, they’d report on what pro-life officials took campaign funds from what pro-life organizations and did nothing to save the lives of the unborn. Fox would question those pro-life organizations on why they continue to support candidates who are pro-choice in word, but when it comes to action are content to let the unborn be slaughtered because it’s good for their fundraising accounts and election totals. Make no mistake Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are in it solely for the money and that is the extent of their unbiased approach.

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68jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Ytownparent, what Congress are you talking about, 101, 102, 103 104???? Give me a number.

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69dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Still waiting for an answer eivo!!! I take it u don't have one. And you are pro unborn fetus, not pro life. There is a huge difference.

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70YtownParent(1004 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I don't believe the democrats are anything but pro-death. I know the dems support the slaughter of unbirn children. I know they don't consider a fetus a living person. They have stated so and acted so consistently.

I know the Republicans are not any more pro-life than their democratic cohorts because they haven't done a single thing to stop the slaughter. Actions speak louder than words and the Republicans in Congress and the White House have not taken one action to stop the slaughter when they've had numerous opportunities to. They are too concerned with keeping their golden campaign contribution egg.

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71dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Eivo, I'm still waiting for an answer from post 139.
If you are pro life, you are pro ALL life. Conservatives are usually the first ones to say fry him!! The way the church teaches is that you should forgive and pray for that criminal and pray for change in his heart. Hopefully he truly changes and goes to heaven. THAT is pro life.
Y town parent, you are correct. Repubs had numerous opportunities to change abortion laws, but did not. If they did, they wouldn't have a platform to run on I the future.

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72kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I've been away from this thread for a few day's and it's certainly grown interesting! Repubs... thinks I'm disqualified from contributing because I made a few jokes about my drinking habits. FYI: I drink Burgundy Wine every evening and I have for many years- It's good for me and I enjoy it.

Attacking what somebody says for that reason is about on the same level of intelligence as my attacking your comments because I don't like the shape of your nose in the little picture you supply.

It's called Prejudice, Man- You know what that is, I'm sure...because you seem to practice it.

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73kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Eivo still has it nailed. Rock on Fox News!

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74kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Somebody on this thread made a comparison between an unborn child- waiting to be aborted- and somebody on death row waiting to be executed- I think "dontbeafool".

You can debate Capital Punishment all you want- and it's a minor issue compared to the debate on Infanticide. In backward societies "inconvenient" infants (usually females) were gotten rid of after they were born.

Were more advanced than that. We get rid of them Before Birth. A lot more Convenient that way...

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75kurtw(1759 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

The minute a woman becomes pregnant she becomes responsible for another life. Her baby. And it may be inconvenient for her but she goes on just the same...

How is that different from the responsibility we have toward an aging parent? Or helping any human being who needs our help?

The living thing in her becomes her responsibility- and if she feels like she'd rather party instead, well...

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76dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Pro life means you respect and love ALL life! All I am saying is most of you use the wrong terminology, because you are not pro life in all cases, just on the abortion aspect. Ytown Parent summed it up in post 155. I have a buddy who votes solely on the Abortion issue, and though I respect his vote, I tried to explain to him that there are other issues. Republicans will not stop the abortion process.

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77GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

It amazes me how Repubs are so concerned about an unborn fetus, and yet when it's born wants to cut any program designed to help the now born, baby

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78dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I told you my stance on abortion, not in favor of it unless it is a case of rape, incest, or the mother's life is in danger. I still prefer adoption in the first 2 instances. I am just not naive to think if I vote Repub, that they are going to do anything about it, because they haven't in the past. Jesus forgave an unworthy criminal hanging on the cross next to him, but it guess he was wrong???
At pen, I brought up that point MANY times.

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79Education_Voter(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Sorry eivo, I don't always read Vindy.com because I do this thing called "work".
Anyway, I first saw Ben Carson on 60 Minutes, and if you google "Ben Carson on CBS" you will see they cover him regularly. Do the same thing with "Time" and any other "mainstream media". I'm not sure what he has in common with Allen West except the one thing.
Maybe Allen West gets covered in his own district since he is simply a former member of the House of Representatives. Do you think Tim Ryan or Bill Johnson are heavily covered nationally?

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80jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

It's amazing how the Dems use the word fetus, like GoPens above. I have yet to hear a woman say "I'm going to have a fetus."

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81jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

It's amazing how the Dems use the word fetus, like GoPens above. I have yet to hear a woman say "I'm going to have a fetus." It's not a fetus - it's a real live human being.

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82dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

By your own comments, you only watch Fox News eivo. That is probably why you have never seen him on those networks.

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83jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Roger Ailes is a brilliant individual. His lineup from 7PM on, is so far superior that no cable channel can compete.
With Megan Kelly, now on at 9PM, all I can say is WOW. Not only good looking but smart. When you compare her to MSNBC, at 9PM, well, you know what I mean.

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84jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Hey Repubs 4....
Are you kidding. The following is a partial list of liberals who appeared on Fox News, that I noted, since last Tuesday, & I don't sit & watch Fox News for 4 hours every night. There is such a thing as Ohio State basketball & good movies on other channels:
Alan Colmes
Juan Williams
Bob Beckel
Richard Fowler
James Carville
Alexis Mcgill - A Dem Strategist
Chris Hann - A former aide to Chuck

Can you name the Conservatives who appeared on MSNBC last week?

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85dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago


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86jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I get two daily newspapers every day, one very liberal & one conservative.
For example, the liberal one had nothing in the edition following following the Wash. DC abortion rally, the other had multi columns, on the rally, on an inside page.
The reason for the liberal paper is because of good sports pages.
So, for me, Fox News is #1 by a hundred miles.

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87jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

CNN Ratings Plunge To Near-Record Lows
The Huffington Post | By Jack Mirkinson Posted: 01/28/2014 4:02 pm EST | Updated: 01/28/2014 4:59 pm EST

BEVERLY HILLS, CA - JANUARY 11: Host Anderson Cooper speaks at the 3rd annual Sean Penn & Friends HELP HAITI HOME Gala benefiting J/P HRO presented by Giorgio Armani at Montage Beverly Hills on January 11, 2014 in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo by Joe Scarnici/Getty Images for J/P Haitian Relief Organization) | Getty .144Share140Tweet49Email1052CommentGet Media Newsletters:

Subscribe ..Follow:CNN, CNN Ratings, MSNBC Ratings, Cable News Ratings, Media News .January 2014 was not a month to remember for CNN.

The network is in rebuilding mode, trying to push away from its traditional reliance on breaking news. So it's perhaps not surprising that its ratings are not at their most robust. Even so, the numbers are stinging: as the Hollywood Reporter and TVNewser noted, it was CNN's third-worst ratings month in its history. CNN lost 39% of its total primetime audience from the same month in 2013, and 35% of its primetime audience in the coveted A25-54 demo.

Arch-rival MSNBC also saw its ratings fall from 2013, but not nearly as much as CNN did. (It dropped just 2% in the primetime demo, for instance.) It landed in second place in all categories in both total day and primetime. Fox News, meanwhile, saw its ratings grow from January 2013, though they fell by 1% in the primetime demo category. As ever, it retained its comfortable first place lead

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88thinkthentalk(310 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Lol. I saw that reported on O Reilly...
What i didnt see on the "Fair and Balanced" network was the news reported on every other news source. Wsj, NY times. Daily Beast.
David Wildstein implicating Christy.

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89thinkthentalk(310 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

You say 35%?
So you're saying that 65% of the people DON'T trust Fox. The majority of the country doesnt think Fox is a viable source for news.

Ok, i agree with you....
Btw. Christie is toast...

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90dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

It was probably a Fox poll. Fox has the viewer of the 50+ white demographics. That will change once they die off. They are right wing supported and the right wing hates the rest of the demographics.....Hispanics, blacks, poor, gays, and by half of their statements......women! You think they act like the end of the world is near because Obama is in charge, wait until they have to take orders from a woman. You will start hearing all of the sexist statements from the GOP.

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91lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

"Who do you trust more to report the news?"

Too bad MSNBC does NOT pitch itself as a "news" network -- they go to great lengths to emphasize that MSNBC is "the place for politics."

MSNBC is all about analysis, and proclaims itself as such, repeatedly; Faux is all about analysis, while PRETENDING to be about the business of hard news.

Whether you agree with MSNBC's analysis or not, remember that they don't pretend to be dealing out the straight news. Expect analysis and commentary that does not pretend to be "fair and balanced."

When viewing Faux, expect "fair and balanced" to be turned on its head.

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92dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

This one hurts coming from a right wing media guy. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4705115/

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93jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Hey thinkthen,
You have that backwards. The poll means that 94% don't trust MSNBC.

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94jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

There is a human tragedy smoldering in America’s inner cities. Twelve million poor children, mainly black and Hispanic, are trapped in failing government schools that are teaching them nothing. As a result, they will never get a chance at a middle-class life. Virtually every school board and every administration in inner city districts is controlled by Democrats, and has been for over fifty years. Everything that is wrong with inner city schools that policy can fix, Democrats are responsible for.

Welfare recipients represent a huge percentage of the Dem party.

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95lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago


People who believe in Faux News trust Faux News.

People who understand the meaning of the term "news" know that Faux is, well, "faux," kinda like faux fur, or faux leather.

"Ratings" is one of the only defenses Faux News can rely on when other media figures call them out on their deceptive tactics.

"Faux News: We distort, you comply!"

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96lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Faux News is sensationlist trash dumbed down so even Dubya can understand it.

Fox News tries to blame everything on liberals, and all its arguments could be defeated by a 7th grader.

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97jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Iajoci should become a writer.......of fiction.
I have never seen such MUMBO-JUMBO as his. A guy like him will never admit defeat. He could be losing a football game 85 to 0 with 1 minute to play, & he won't admit to losing.
He probably gets on his knees, every night, & prays to the almighty king, in DC, for wisdom & his prayers are being answered.

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98dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

I provided you numerous conservatives who were on CNN, to include Newt, the face of the GOP, who hosts his own show. You provided no one of equal stature on FOX.

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99jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

Hey dontbeafool, go back to post 180. There you will see a partial list of liberals who appeared on Fox News.
Remember Juan Williams has a 2M (that's 2 million) contract & Bob Beckel has a $500,000 contract with Fox News.

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100GoPens(397 comments)posted 2 years, 5 months ago

"So what does that prove?"

It proves that you are a horrible debater, and can't think for yourself, just cutting and pasting everything from Faux and Drudge.

And since you obviously don't know what it means, the word " faux" means fake.

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101dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

It means tha CNN is much more fair than FOX. Why don't they have a Dem or liberal host their own show? Because they won't follow along with the Fox machines political agenda.

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102jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Nobody watches CNN or MSNBC.

Since Fox News is the leader, BY FAR, why should they change their format?

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103jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

dontbeafool wants to know why Fox News "don't have a Dem or liberal host their own show"on Fox News.

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104dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

FNC also ranks at the top of the charts for news organizations Americans trust the least. 39 percent of respondents say that FNC is the network they trust least compared to 14 percent of Americans who said the same of MSNBC. 13 percent said CNN is the least trusted name in news, and 12 percent said that of Comedy Central.
My point? You can have 10 different polls saying conflicting things.

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105dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

A new Gallup poll exposed Fox News for the fraud that it is by finding that instead of being fair and balanced, the cable news leader caters to a viewership that is 94% Republican.

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106jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

don'tbe, you dance around questions just like your king in DC.
You are a typical, dyed in the wool Ytowner.

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107lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

"Faux News: We deceive, you believe."

Faux News: the 24 hour cable network which ushered in the age of shouting- head pseudo-journalism.

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108jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

In post 214, please give me some evidence of what poll you're talking about.

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109lajoci(671 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

Faux News -- we distort, you comply.

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110jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

The Benghazi attack wasn't caused by a video.
It was caused by Fox News coverage.

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111dontbeafool(2066 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

About time. Maybe he can be disrespectful to his conservative guest by yelling at them and not letting them talk. Seems to work for O'Reilly

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112tnmartin(518 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

It is instructive to see the level of upset raised in some quarters when a news organization acts like one, rather than as PR flaks for the worst elements of the Democratic Socialist league. It's also very interesting to note that such an effort towards reporting ALL the news, rather than hiding uncomfortable facts, lead to dominance in the cable news arena.

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113jojuggie(1702 comments)posted 2 years, 4 months ago

You shut the Socialists up, tnmartin.
Good going.

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